Disney meets Bethesda meets HBO? New Star Wars movie

No offense intended, but if you guys ever hoped to appear as a tolerable and/or agreeable community to the outside of NMA, you should probably set back that hope a few miles. I'm not saying your criticisms are wrong, but you just threw thumbs down at both the newest Star Wars and Fallout 4, which are by far were the two most popular pieces of entertainment by the end of 2015.

But, since you all seem to enjoy that glittering gem of hatred rep so much, I'm sure you all have nothing to worry about.

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Pictured above - 2015's epitome of "catering to a larger audience".

I loved the Star Wars movie.

Yeah. One approval is definitely going to match up to the other three pages of in-depth criticism in this thread.

Nope, no way. I'm not surprised NMA scares off people from even taking a look around. I like it here (to vent on the deterioration of Fallout) but when you shout about faults with mostly popular culture...

It sorts of speaks volumes for why more people don't join in. You know the biggest criticism for this place? "Can't just shut up and enjoy it".
 
Yeah, because one thread with a few assholes nitpicking a movie is so unheard of on the internet. Along with bashing a sub-par "RPG" that others around the web are now talking shit about. NMA is not the only place critiquing Star Wars right now.

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Yeah, because one thread with a few assholes nitpicking a movie is so unheard of on the internet. Along with bashing a sub-par "RPG" that others around the web are now talking shit about. NMA is not the only place critiquing Star Wars right now.

:roll:

I'm just saying, this really is going to just increase the number of trolls we get, but I'm sure a lot of you have fun with them.

We're also fulfilling the "hate popular things" cliché. I'm just confused why there are still comments wondering about why so many trolls arrive to slightly inconvenience the admins and why Bethfans are afraid of the place. This definitely isn't the first place to criticise stuff, but still.
 
Yeah, because one thread with a few assholes nitpicking a movie is so unheard of on the internet. Along with bashing a sub-par "RPG" that others around the web are now talking shit about. NMA is not the only place critiquing Star Wars right now.

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I'm just saying, this really is going to just increase the number of trolls we get, but I'm sure a lot of you have fun with them.

We're also fulfilling the "hate popular things" cliché. I'm just confused why there are still comments wondering about why so many trolls arrive to slightly inconvenience the admins and why Bethfans are afraid of the place. This definitely isn't the first place to criticise stuff, but still.

Not really. Nerds are very critical of Star Wars regardless of their location. The unwashed masses might shovel garbage down their throat regardless of quality, but a lot of people here are a little older and wiser. This might not be an awesome place for the cool kids that are still growing their pubes, but actual debates occur here on the regular. Discussing the faults in a movie is not being over critical. The movie did have a number of problems which should be addressed. Nothing is perfect.

No one wonders why trolls come here. Trolls come here because young bucks think it is cool to talk shit to the infamous NMA community. They think NMA just sits here all day talking about Bethesda non stop. While large portions of the community do dive in and express their opinions on the subject, most of the userbase doesn't even bother. Fallout 3 was discussed to death, then New Vegas, now we have Fallout 4, so new members will come in expressing their love for that game, and wondering why we just don't get it.
 
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Yes they're both so popular so we should love them because criticism is bad and because everyone else loves them. If we loved everything that was so "popular" so much we would just migrate to the official Fallout 4 forums to discuss how it's a "near perfect game".
 
Yeah, because one thread with a few assholes nitpicking a movie is so unheard of on the internet. Along with bashing a sub-par "RPG" that others around the web are now talking shit about. NMA is not the only place critiquing Star Wars right now.

:roll:

I'm just saying, this really is going to just increase the number of trolls we get, but I'm sure a lot of you have fun with them.

We're also fulfilling the "hate popular things" cliché. I'm just confused why there are still comments wondering about why so many trolls arrive to slightly inconvenience the admins and why Bethfans are afraid of the place. This definitely isn't the first place to criticise stuff, but still.

Since you're new on NMA and seem nice enough, I think we can let you in on a secret, Gweilo. Described by ancient scrolls. Guarded by elderly monks.

You should know, by now, that we simply don't give a shit ;)
 
If you read this thread is obvious a good portion of the people in this forum, even the older ones, liked the movie, others (like me) disliked it, others liked it but still had lots of issues with it.... It's not an uniform opinion, it never has been.

What should we do then? Submit our opinion to a board of content curators so they decide when we can post our opinions? I am pretty sick of the Nerd Hive mind attitude so many like to enforce, when I have opinions I never bother to check if I am in the majority or the minority, I just have my opinion and express it.
 
Yes they're both so popular so we should love them because criticism is bad and because everyone else loves them. If we loved everything that was so "popular" so much we would just migrate to the official Fallout 4 forums to discuss how it's a "near perfect game".

The official motto of modern popular culture.

Since you're new on NMA and seem nice enough, I think we can let you in on a secret, Gweilo. Described by ancient scrolls. Guarded by elderly monks.

You should know, by now, that we simply don't give a shit ;)

Oh, you don't say.:roll:

If you read this thread is obvious a good portion of the people in this forum, even the older ones, liked the movie, others (like me) disliked it, others liked it but still had lots of issues with it.... It's not an uniform opinion, it never has been.

What should we do then? Submit our opinion to a board of content curators so they decide when we can post our opinions? I am pretty sick of the Nerd Hive mind attitude so many like to enforce, when I have opinions I never bother to check if I am in the majority or the minority, I just have my opinion and express it.

Hey, I'm not against freedom of opinion. But having unique opinion tends to be looked down upon by a lot of people for some reason. I thought it was worth mentioning, but you don't actually have to care.
 
Don't missunderstand me, I am not trying to give you a hard time, I am just saying, why do you think it was actually worth mentioning in the first place? (rhetorical question!)

Like I said, you seem to get the gist behind NMA after all. Trying to be edgy Zig? We are a friendly bunch after all! If you want some flogging, you have just to ask.
 
Don't missunderstand me, I am not trying to give you a hard time, I am just saying, why do you think it was actually worth mentioning in the first place? (rhetorical question!)

Like I said, you seem to get the gist behind NMA after all. Trying to be edgy Zig? We are a friendly bunch after all! If you want some flogging, you have just to ask.

I saw a couple of comments pondering why people come to NMA just to complain about NMA. Just a friendly reminder that we don't appear a friendly bunch.

Of course, I don't mind, because there is nowhere else I could complain about any game to the extent that NMA allows, so I love it here.

It was just funny to see people go around asking "why do others hate us?" when a lot of us here already knows why... we actually think! :wink:
 
Hello all,

Well I saw the new Star Wars yesterday. I wasn't planning to go myself but my sister came by and wanted to surprise me to take me to this movie.
And truth be told, I am glad I saw the movie as like with Fallout 4 I could base my judgement/opinion on the things and facts I saw rather than basing on what other people told me, clips on Youtube, and the Wikipedia summary.

First of all, the name of this movie is completely inappropriate, it should be called "Star Wars: What a coincidence" because this movie really relied a lot on coincidences happening to the point that it would probably make statisticians/mathematicians cry bloody murder.
It also suffers from the 'The Star Wars universe is pretty small' syndrome.

I am not sure what I can really add to this movie what others have already said here and in reviews. I guess I could analyse the movie by plot point but to be honest the movie became somewhat of a blur as it sometimes really had difficulty to hold my attention. Plus I have seen so many of those damn fanboys who try to fill the real plotholes with all kinds of excuses I am not going to bother. (excuses based on theories, rather than facts retrieved from this movie or previous movies though occasionally they base it on the new books which I have not read)

Well there is Rey; Mary Sue who is just great at almost anything she focuses on. Reluctant to become a Jedi/taking on her destiny, oh wait no she don't. And who sees Han Solo as a father figure in just the few hours that she has met him.

There's Finn; token funny black guy, shouty man, and Stormtrooper/janitor with a heard of gold. (honestly, who would promote non combat personnel to field troopers, or does the First Order use Stormtroopers who were once the Emperor's elite for all kinds of mundane tasks?)

Kylo Ren or Darth Dorkula as I would like to call him (he really should have kept on his helmet, at least he had some mystique then even if he happen to throw stupid tantrums in which he destroyed expensive equipment for no sane reason, has an obsession for grandpa Vader but feels pulled back in by the Light side.
My sister though Ren looked like a younger version of Snape from the Harry Potter movies.
Honestly they could not have gotten a character somewhat like Revan or even Darth Krayt, someone who inspired obedience and respect through both his intelligence and power?

Starkiller base; the super duper ultra mega quantum hyper ultimate death star mark 3. How the hell the Republic managed to miss the construction of this thing speaks a lot about their intelligence divisions/organizations or the intelligence of its leaders.
And I know I am a nerd about this but I seem to recall from the old books at least that the Death Star had to generate more energy than a star (at least what a star generates within a day or a week) to destroy a planet, having to extract energy from hyperspace, so the idea of a Death Star that extracts energy from a sun to blow up several planets feels not technologically correct to the Star Wars universe.
Also, if the thing destroys several planets in another star system and these energy 'projectiles' travel faster than light, shouldn't any observers not be able to see the actually shots?

BB8; he is actually okay as a character but I think he is probably more of interest from a technical point of view for robot designers.

Han Solo, Leia, and Luke Skywalker. Yep these were also in the movie. Han Solo played somewhat of a role but I did not really see the point of Leia's presence other than that she had to be in it in order to call this movie a sequel. As for Luke Skywalker, if you compare the new movie version with the ones from the old books and comics (including Dark Empire) this version is somewhat of a coward who abandoned his position and responsibility where as the book version would try to fix his own mess. (well unless you count those Fate of the Jedi books in which he went into voluntary exile)

So what do I think of the movie in general? Well it is better in some points than the Prequel Series, and yet in some ways it is also not!
Confused? Well Lucas' writing skills such as dialogue may suck but at least the guy came up with a lot of imaginative new worlds even if he overused Tantooine a lot. And he inspired others to come with imaginative new worlds for the Star Wars setting (though Ecumenopolis worlds such as Coruscant are clearly inspired by Foundation's Trantor.)
What did we get here? Tantooine V 2.0, two planets Middle Earth (one complete with the Shire taken over by the Resistance, guess those hobbits would eventually fall to some outsiders if not to Sauron or Saruman), and planet Norway/Sweden.

All and all I can not see this movie and its sequels ever match the Original Trilogy, but more match the old Expanded Universe it inspired such as the Classic Star Wars comics, the Thrawn Trilogy (okay, they are overrated books) or the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight games and their many beloved characters such as Kyle Katarn or Mara Jade.
The people running the show now lack the spirit and imagination that inspired old sci fi serials and weekly comics that inspired Lucas or the 70s/80s science fiction that helped shape the Star Wars universe parts and attributes it is made up off)

I see this more as a Star Wars inspired by the Star Wars movies, rather than a space opera/fantasy movie inspired by science fiction and stories of adventure.

I'll stick to the old stuff thank you very much.

Edit; before I forget, this even makes the Star Wars Legacy comics look good, and that was a lot of fan wank.
 
It's because all the popular things nowadays are all marketed at what people wants, not in being of good quality, it's like drugs in that it long term potential is zero but it hits what everyone wants now, same with Star Wars and Fallout 4, they look good on the surface but when you think about it they actually are just money makers with no care about lasting influence
 
Watched it on Dec 24 (premiere date where I live). It was better than the prequels IMHO but still had somewhat mixed feelings about it. My main gripes are first that Rey becomes a level 10 Jedi Knight in zero time, and although this might be better explained in subsequent episodes it still didn't sit well with me. My second complaint is that it they pretty much copy-pasted episode IV's scenario.
 
No offense intended, but if you guys ever hoped to appear as a tolerable and/or agreeable community to the outside of NMA, you should probably set back that hope a few miles. I'm not saying your criticisms are wrong, but you just threw thumbs down at both the newest Star Wars and Fallout 4, which are by far were the two most popular pieces of entertainment by the end of 2015.

But, since you all seem to enjoy that glittering gem of hatred rep so much, I'm sure you all have nothing to worry about.

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Pictured above - 2015's epitome of "catering to a larger audience".

I loved the Star Wars movie.

Yeah. One approval is definitely going to match up to the other three pages of in-depth criticism in this thread.

Nope, no way. I'm not surprised NMA scares off people from even taking a look around. I like it here (to vent on the deterioration of Fallout) but when you shout about faults with mostly popular culture...

It sorts of speaks volumes for why more people don't join in. You know the biggest criticism for this place? "Can't just shut up and enjoy it".

Hey it has flaws, but does that mean I can't like it? No it doesn't, so don't be a hypocrite and act like the whole NMA are dicks, when you're against it in the first place.

Also it's kind of sad, because the whole premise of Star Wars was literally a dumb adventure set in space. Why else did the majority of the actors find it's dialogue stilted, story stupid and flawed?
 
it should be called "Star Wars: What a coincidence"
I agree that there is a lot of coincidence (and it makes the plotting seem sloppy), but that was also the case with the original trilogy (even before they made everyone related to each other). For example, in episode 4 what if they had arrived at Alderaan 1 day before they did? What if at Mos Eisley they had bought passage with a boring, normal pilot instead of Han Solo, the hot-shot scoundrel with a heart of gold. What if Han Solo changed his mind and flew toward the final Death Star battle 10 seconds later?
I have seen so many of those damn fanboys who try to fill the real plotholes with all kinds of excuses I am not going to bother.
I agree that there is that tendency for anyone who is a fan of anything to make excuses for it. Hopefully they fix a few of the plotholes in the sequels and don't just rely on the new expanded universe.
There's Finn; token funny black guy, shouty man, and Stormtrooper/janitor with a heard of gold. (honestly, who would promote non combat personnel to field troopers, or does the First Order use Stormtroopers who were once the Emperor's elite for all kinds of mundane tasks?)
I thought that Finn's whole sanitation job duties was a joking reference to the scene in Clerks - . Anyway, isn't that a common thing for most military forces (or maybe its just the old school tradition) to have their lower ranked soldiers / sailors do menial labor as part of their duties or as punishment (ex. peeling potatoes, KP duty, swabbing the decks, latrine duty, etc.). Anyway, Finn was not able to help much in this movie, but I thought he was far from being just a token minority character. Hopefully he will take a level in bad-ass in or before the next movie. I still think it is cool that they showed that even stormtroopers are people with emotions, instead of just mooks to be shot.
I see this more as a Star Wars inspired by the Star Wars movies, rather than a space opera/fantasy movie inspired by science fiction and stories of adventure.
Yeah, I can see tFA as being on the same level as fanfiction in certain ways. The new movies haven't yet reached a level of all-around excellence, but that doesn't mean that future movies won't reach that level some day. I think the chances of that happening eventually are actually high if they keep attracting their current level of talent and making more movies.

The new movies will never be the same thing as the original trilogy. I mean the original SW (along with Jaws and Rocky) changed how and what kinds of movies are made. But the new movies might someday be great (for some of them).
 
I don't want to get into any heated disputes, but coincidence is a large part of the Force folks. All of the movies have featured them. I'm not trying to go to bat for this movie, but a lot of complaints are a little off base. I hate to break out my Star Wars Encyclopedia knowledge but... :)

Both of the Lucas Trilogies fell into place much the same way - somewhat following the Joseph Campbell inspired Hero Myth - with TFA being no different. Yes, it did play it safe. It did follow the formula that ANH established for a number of reasons. For one Abrams liked the original movie the most. Secondly it is something familiar that would appease the largest group of fans. Third I think it is intentionally meant to be that way to retell the story for a new generation of kids.

The problem with Star Wars is a lot of the overcritical adults fans aren't the primary audience anymore. The movies were always meant to appeal to kids/families, touching on common themes that relate to us such as religion, family, morality, etc. Every story such as this has a mentor archetype whether it be Yoda or Maz Kanata whether it be deliberate or not. To those of us who are familiar with such things it might look like more of the same. After all Obi Wan played a much similar role in the original movie. Qui Gon was much the same in Phantom Menace. They turned this slightly on it's head with Palpatine being a mentor to Anakin later on.

We also have to take into account this is the beginning of a new push to widen the Star Wars universe. They want these kids to want more. They drop little hints of info so you will go buy the newest comic that tells all about your favorite characters side stories. The wonder just isn't there for a lot of people now. You go into the theater with that jaded adult mindset ready to pick the movie to pieces and over analyze every minor detail - it is natural after all since we are aware of the intent of the movies; they are supposed to manipulate your emotions, play on your hopes and fears, and just for one minute let you drop your guard and forget it is all an act to get your money.

TFA ends in a way that resembles Empire Strikes Back somewhat with Rey possibly being vetted for training. I suppose people expected something completely different but I couldn't say the same. Stop expecting these movies to top the originals and you might enjoy them more. Star Wars will now be treated like the Marvel Cinematic Universe for better or worse.

These movies will be yearly events, with global Star Wars saturation bombing us from orbit. Star Wars has already been desecrated by the mishandling of it's creator with the merchandising, Special Editions bullshit, the lackluster Prequels, and the EU situation. Disney choosing to focus on maintaining lore speaks a lot to their dedication to the series longevity. I don't see them mishandling this.

Basically we should be happy with what we got. This is in no way close to what was done to Fallout 4. That was already done by the time Return of the Jedi was out. Star Wars is one of those sacred cows that has managed to blind us to a lot of its flaws.
 
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I liked the movie while I was at the theatre, after I left the nostalgia wore off and I started thinking

A 3rd death star? They couldnt come up with ANYTHING else?
A millenial generation emo kid as a dark lord of the sith? Not buying it
A girl copying lukes role from episode 4
A random storm trooper taking hans role from episode 4
Han taking obi wans role from episode 4

All in all its very underwhelming they would have been better off stealing storylines from the expanded universe books
 
I liked the movie while I was at the theatre, after I left the nostalgia wore off and I started thinking

A 3rd death star? They couldnt come up with ANYTHING else?
A millenial generation emo kid as a dark lord of the sith? Not buying it
A girl copying lukes role from episode 4
A random storm trooper taking hans role from episode 4
Han taking obi wans role from episode 4

All in all its very underwhelming they would have been better off stealing storylines from the expanded universe books

That would open a whole new can of worms. It would be better to do something totally original. The EU has too much baggage.
 
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