Doctor Who

I know that Dr Who is a children's programme, but I hated that it had children in it this week.
 
Heh, not the best actors either

Great ep tho'. Sets were great, Clara was great, Matt Smith pulled off this old tired cliche pretty well, and Warwick Davis was amazingballs.
 
Warwick Davis was the best thing about the episode. And instead of wasting David Warner in "Cold War" they should have cast him as the Cyber Liaison in this one.

Still not digging the whole Doctor picks Clara up on dates a few times a week then drops her off back at her baby sitting gig.

And really, three million Cybermen weren't needed. A few hundred would have sufficed. And why did they go from having new quiet, super fast movement back to stomping and whirring? Gaiman said he'd re-watched old episodes from the the B&W days and wanted them silent and surprising the holy hell out of you when you turned around and there one was. Did Moffat insist they had to stomp and whir?

I'd rather have them back to the old "You will be like us" instead of the whole upgrading bit. That and they're more like Star Trek Borg than Doctor Who Cybermen lately.

An average episode raised up a bit by some nice weirdness from Gaiman and Warwick Davis.
 
Once again after an interesting premise Moffat diddles around and makes someone's self sacrifice pointless as it can be undone within seconds.

Then there was the annoying wank that really got on my nerves like the boosting of the Doctor's ego. "He's such a clever boy"

I am honestly starting to hate Moffat's female characters, perhaps some of you might like Clara but to me the 'Impossible Girl' is becoming the 'Annoyance that won't go away girl'.

And as usual the majority gulps up the kool aid.

http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-who/25672/doctor-who-series-7-the-name-of-the-doctor-review
 
Wow. Just wow. I miss RTD. I can't believe it but really, I'd take one of his finale's over that festering pile Moffat served up any day.

JLC is adorable. But Clara... The Impossible Girl... I'm with you The Dutch Ghost.
 
Well, I liked it. It was better than the last finale at least. Saving Clara from her fate would have made an interesting story arc for the next season, now that the mystery of her is solved. It was resolved too quickly is my only real complaint. Otherwise I felt it was a good way to wrap up the season.
 
Word on the 50th Anniversary Special, for those even less in the know than I manage to be: 10 and 11 plus Clara and Rose will be there, along with John Hurt (okay, huzzah). Martha and Captain Jack won't be making appearances, Eccleston opted out, and the other surviving Doctors and John Simm reportedly weren't contacted at all. We do, however, get... an asstruck full of Moffat-era characters (including, in case you hadn't had enough, River Song-- supposedly, from after the point when Silence in the Library occurs in her personal timeline), plus a race of aliens Moffat re-introduced from a one-shot in 1975 and... Queen Elizabeth I.

So. Yeah. Who else is excited?
 
You may want to watch this season finale, Yamu, it tells you a lot about the 50th, really.

Loved this finale, probably Moffatt's best. Relatively free of trying-too-hard-cleverness and light on the River Song (though she did try her best to ruin it). My expectations were probably quite low but it felt like it hit the right note of personal & epic and wasn't as full of obvious plot holes as Moffatt's gimmicky endings usually are.

And I really, really like Clara, probably my favorite companion since Rose, though it does indeed feel like the whole Impossible Girl thing was brought up and then explained pretty fast, I guess that's mostly due to the half-season format instead of having a whole season of Bad Wolfing to build up to it. Still, a breath of fresh air after Smith's Doctor kept getting bogged down by his awful companions, Song especially. With her on board they're producing some of my favorite Smith-era eps, really looking forward to the special and future eps.
 
What bugged me a lot BN is how often it was brought up how Clara was 'impossible'.
It really started to grate after a while.

RTD, and Moffat have a tendency to bring up something again and again, like how the Doctor is so clever.
Do they think the audience did not listen the first time when they mentioned this or do they to keep needing to convince people of the subject?
 
Brother None said:
You may want to watch this season finale, Yamu, it tells you a lot about the 50th
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I'm caught up, I just need to phrase my concerns better. Heh.

I am looking forward to seeing things unfold with Hurt. It could well end up being great, the special, too . Especially by Moffat standards. That last word is what irks me, though. Standards. Moffat's tenure has become a game of sliding standards, and though things are getting better he just keeps leaving his vaguely displeasing stamp on the whole thing. I know Davies did it too, but Moffat's flaws are more apt to get on my nerves. Personal preference.

I suppose what rubs me the wrong way is that with 50 years of history to be celebrated, and those same 50 years to draw from, he's comepletely eschewed every person that was a part of that history (some of whom would quite quite obviously have loved to have been included) and chosen to break with tradition in favor of Moffat, Moffat, Moffat. His self-proclaimed "love letter to the fans" is to be written wholly in self-brewed ink on Stephen Moffat personal stationary with a size 48 letterhead. It chafes, honestly.
 
The Dutch Ghost said:
And as usual the majority gulps up the kool aid.
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And it was just a couple of weeks ago BBC America showed Pyramids of Mars from the Tom Baker era (i.e., real Doctor Who) for the retrospective of the Fourth Doctor. How anyone can watch the new show without puking after seeing Pyramids of Mars is beyond me. There's no hope of saving this disaster without replacing the entire writing and production staff and starting over from scratch as though the last seven years never happened.

River Song is the most loathsome television character I've seen since the insufferable Wesley Crusher from Star Trek TNG. Just awful.
 
Yamu said:
I suppose what rubs me the wrong way is that with 50 years of history to be celebrated, and those same 50 years to draw from, he's comepletely eschewed every person that was a part of that history (some of whom would quite quite obviously have loved to have been included) and chosen to break with tradition in favor of Moffat, Moffat, Moffat. His self-proclaimed "love letter to the fans" is to be written wholly in self-brewed ink on Stephen Moffat personal stationary with a size 48 letterhead. It chafes, honestly.
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Yeah. Fairly typical Moffat fare, sadly. They did call back to all of it in this episode though, which was nice.

We'll see how it goes. I'm curious as to the nature of Hurt's incarnation.

UniversalWolf said:
And it was just a couple of weeks ago BBC America showed Pyramids of Mars from the Tom Baker era (i.e., real Doctor Who) for the retrospective of the Fourth Doctor. How anyone can watch the new show without puking after seeing Pyramids of Mars is beyond me. There's no hope of saving this disaster without replacing the entire writing and production staff and starting over from scratch as though the last seven years never happened.
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Heh. The old show had its up and downs and its stinkers too. The reboot still hasn't gotten as bad as Time and the Rani. And besides, the show always differed in attitude, style of the Doctor and overall style. The reboot has its flaws, sure, but it's still not close to as bad as 6th-to-early-7th. You seem to assume anyone who has seen the original series must hate the new one, but I've seen both, and I love the reboot. I'm mystified as to why you persist in watching it through.

UniversalWolf said:
River Song is the most loathsome television character I've seen since the insufferable Wesley Crusher from Star Trek TNG. Just awful.
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This is true.
 
i thought it was an ok episode

im suprised that BBC is letting him end the dr who franchise. so we will get at least 1 season more with hurt as the "final" doctor.

i thought smith was an excellent doctor for the first like 2 seasons with the ponds but after the 2nd half of the 2nd season, they started to lose it.

one of my top 10 episodes for the reboot is the first episode with smith/pond and prisoner zero.
 
TheWesDude said:
i thought it was an ok episode

im suprised that BBC is letting him end the dr who franchise. so we will get at least 1 season more with hurt as the "final" doctor.
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Ehm, no. On both counts. John Hurt isn't the final Doctor, he's the Time War Doctor, it seems (url=http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/4921644/doctor-who-50th-anniversary-special-spoilers.html]if The Sun can be believed[/url]). It's nearly impossible that he'll play more than one episode of The Doctor.

You don't think for a second that the BBC really is going to stop broadcasting an immensely successful show because they hit a bit of canon, do you? They'll write their way out of it and add more seasons.
 
your url died.

and there are people who debate the number of regenerations.

1) in the sara jane adventures they claim maximum number of regenerations at over 500

2) river song gave up at least one of her regenerations and possibly more to resurrect the doctor during the "lets kill hitler" so we dont know what the story with how many she had used, how many she "gave" him... things of that nature.

3) i think it was from one of the books where they said the timelords can regenerate far more than 12 times, but the rule of the timelord council was that once they hit 12, they have to spend the rest of their lives on galifrey.

4) there is also the claim that any regeneration "near" a TARDIS would not count as they can draw/use the energy of the TARDIS to "power" their regeneration, and we have seen at least a few regenerations in the TARDIS.
 
Sander said:
Ehm, no. On both counts. John Hurt isn't the final Doctor, he's the Time War Doctor, it seems (url=http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/4921644/doctor-who-50th-anniversary-special-spoilers.html]if The Sun can be believed[/url]). It's nearly impossible that he'll play more than one episode of The Doctor.
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Welll, The Sun was wrong about plenty of details in that article already, so I wouldn't take it for the absolute truth. Time war Doc does look like the most obvious possibility, but I wouldn't discount any other, including a future regeneration that ADD 11th knows about because timey-wimey or something (I mean, they are in the ENTIRE Doctor's timestream after all).

But yeah, there's no chance in hell this is going to be the final doctor and the end of the series.
 
WorstUsernameEver said:
Sander said:
Ehm, no. On both counts. John Hurt isn't the final Doctor, he's the Time War Doctor, it seems (url=http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/4921644/doctor-who-50th-anniversary-special-spoilers.html]if The Sun can be believed[/url]). It's nearly impossible that he'll play more than one episode of The Doctor.
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Welll, The Sun was wrong about plenty of details in that article already, so I wouldn't take it for the absolute truth. Time war Doc does look like the most obvious possibility, but I wouldn't discount any other, including a future regeneration that ADD 11th knows about because timey-wimey or something (I mean, they are in the ENTIRE Doctor's timestream after all).

But yeah, there's no chance in hell this is going to be the final doctor and the end of the series.
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I've heard (which isn't to say "put stock in") interesting speculation that he might be the first Doctor before he became a proper Time Lord or when he was a tad younger (and after all, the guy wasn't born looking like William Hartnell).

My series lore isn't what it could be, but after clicking around on the wiki a bit, I started to think it could also be that Hurt's character is supposed to represent The Other. It would be a stretch, considering that they never actually got around to resolving that story arc before the series was cancelled in '89, but it's not entirely out of the question. If my understanding holds, he's been pretty definitively established as a genetic forerunner of The Doctor in the extended canon.
 
well im not sure if during the tenure of any of the previous doctors, but i know that on the reboot those doctors are after the time war as even eccleston talks about the time war with the daleks.

and my assumption is that the dalek time war ( which was the like 3rd or 4th ), it would not have been time locked until his actions to cause it to be time locked otherwise he could not have done what caused it to be time locked.

or else eccleston was talking about one of the other time wars and it happened after smith as we have seen all the "regenerations" during the new series of where the previous doctor dies and the new one is "born" so it would strain incredulity for them to recon one of those regenerations were we see the old and the new.
 
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