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stormcrow said:
Actually, Van Buren established that Cheyenne Mountain and NORAD were glassed during the War.
There would only be a crater inhabited by Glowing Ghouls left.
Again the canoncity question. I actually read some funny people that consider that Tactics isnt canon but VB is 
Anyway it could still fit together if you just alter the result for Cheyenne Moutain, that would have got glasses but simply badly hit, thus causing the Calculator malfunction.
Anyway it could still fit together if you just alter the result for Cheyenne Moutain, that would have got glasses but simply badly hit, thus causing the Calculator malfunction.
It's not as if Van Buren will be treated as canon by Bethesda, though.
As for Vault 0, I always thought it was part of the Vault Experiment, a red herring to contain those parts of the elite that the Enclave didn't want on the Oil Rig, with a homicidal AI to ensure that they won't be a problem.
As for Vault 0, I always thought it was part of the Vault Experiment, a red herring to contain those parts of the elite that the Enclave didn't want on the Oil Rig, with a homicidal AI to ensure that they won't be a problem.
Heh, with 'glassed' I mean, they dropped so much nukes that the heat made sand into glass.
Why do I only answers from people that sort of agree with me? Can't I have the hardcore flamers that people talk about on the Beth forums? The ones that will flame me for even thinking that Tactis could be canon, and tell me to give up because I'm French anyway?
I also read some stuff about why cars in Tactics would not need recharging and that Deathclaws shouldn't have hair...
I mean are those so horrific contradictions?
I also read some stuff about why cars in Tactics would not need recharging and that Deathclaws shouldn't have hair...
I mean are those so horrific contradictions?
Ausir said:
Nah, that would be a waste of resources, I always thought more that the people of Vault 0 were the best of civilians and military personnel that weren't part of the Enclave, the Enclave considered useful for the rebuilding of the United States, but weren't important enough to bring to the rig.
Why waste so much good technology on an army of robots you would never use?
Yes, they are, actually. The Deathclaws in Tactics were aesthetically ridiculous, but other than that their behaviour was absolutely ridiculous and completely contradictory with established canon.stormcrow said:Why do I only answers from people that sort of agree with me? Can't I have the hardcore flamers that people talk about on the Beth forums? The ones that will flame me for even thinking that Tactis could be canon, and tell me to give up because I'm French anyway?
I also read some stuff about why cars in Tactics would not need recharging and that Deathclaws shouldn't have hair...
Pretty much every vehicle in Tactics was automatically contradictory to canon for a variety of reasons, most importantly the complete rarity of cars, the rarity of fossil fuels and the ridiculousness of having fully functioning, shiny new '90s Hummers in a 50s sci-fi post-apocalyptic environment.
I allways assumed that the vehicles in Tactics were fusion-driven, recharged off screen while at base.
And they do look like they have known better days, doesnt the Hummer have all sorts of metal plates grafted on it?
For the Deathclaws, I reckon assuming it just a different breed of Deathclaws would be enough no? And I'm fairly sure Beth wont make the conceptual mistake of putting Deathclaws in AGAIN... so the point pretty moot anyway...
And they do look like they have known better days, doesnt the Hummer have all sorts of metal plates grafted on it?
For the Deathclaws, I reckon assuming it just a different breed of Deathclaws would be enough no? And I'm fairly sure Beth wont make the conceptual mistake of putting Deathclaws in AGAIN... so the point pretty moot anyway...
Also the Deathclaws where talking,wich contradicts the events in F2 too.
Fallout is about 50`s retro,so Hummers simply dont fit there.
The APC was ok,even that WW2 German Schwimmwagen.But the Hummers where a BIG no no.
PS i remembered that Sherman tank wich is ok also.
Someone must have found it in a museum or something like that
PPS together with the Schwimmwagen...oh oh those nasty Reavers.
Fallout is about 50`s retro,so Hummers simply dont fit there.
The APC was ok,even that WW2 German Schwimmwagen.But the Hummers where a BIG no no.
PS i remembered that Sherman tank wich is ok also.
Someone must have found it in a museum or something like that
PPS together with the Schwimmwagen...oh oh those nasty Reavers.
stormcrow said:
Indeed, all Calculator robots, with the exception of General Barnaky's cyborg form were designs from before the War.
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I like the teaser, but it doesn't change anything. I still have serious doubts in Todd's good will, abilities and understanding what Fallout is to create a decent sequel. He must grow up first and stop playing Barbie games (yes Todd, it's embarrassing).
I'm waiting for information about gameplay. We'll see...
I'm waiting for information about gameplay. We'll see...
Not really.stormcrow said:
But you're missing the point: what the hell is a Hummer doing in a *post-apocalyptic* 50s sci-fi setting where canon has established that cars and working fusion engines are extremely rare?
Your assumption is null and void, since it appears that they've thrown in the Brotherhood as well.stormcrow said:
Also, assuming they're a different breed of Deathclaws is bullshit, since Deathclaws are reptilians. Reptilians are not fur-covered.
And 'different breed' would not explain how they can talk, when the talking Deathclaws were engineered by the Enclave *after* Tactics took place, and hundreds of miles away at that.
I think it ispretty obvious that almost everything we saw in Fallout 1 and 2 we will also see in Bethesda's Fallout 3
- There will be lots of Super Mutants, with loads of heavy weapons, despite the fact that the only 'population' was created at California.
- The Brotherhood will be there, despite that they are a 'limited' group of isolationists who prefer stick to themselves and almost have no number to built and maintain bases throughout the United States.
- There will be Deathclaws, period.
Hell, I don't even rule out the Enclave even though they were effectively eliminated in Fallout 2
- There will be lots of Super Mutants, with loads of heavy weapons, despite the fact that the only 'population' was created at California.
- The Brotherhood will be there, despite that they are a 'limited' group of isolationists who prefer stick to themselves and almost have no number to built and maintain bases throughout the United States.
- There will be Deathclaws, period.
Hell, I don't even rule out the Enclave even though they were effectively eliminated in Fallout 2
Remember that NCR supposedly had a fully working armored division. Anyway perhaps they had the ressources to get more cars in FOT or there were more cars lying around...Ziltoid said:
But OK the Hummer are not 50' the first ones were built in the '80. That can be ditched I guess without too many problems.
Didnt the Enclave "perfect" the speech? Because the V13 ones, if memory serves, spoke perfect English, whereas the FOT ones speak English in a snake-like (for lack of a better word) fashion.
Anyway it would suck if they put Deathclaws in again, since I feel our reptilian monsters have given all they can allready (BoS at least still has room for some developement).
Sorry stormcrow, but it really was the Enclave who made a population of Deathclaws sentient and capable of speech, long after the events of Tactics was supposed to take place.
Deathclaws were never capable of speech, they are the mutant descendants of Jackson chameleons.
Edit:
Rather than 'reinvent' 50's style verhicles, I rather had that the designers had been inspired by the designs of that period but made unique designs for future verhicles.
Deathclaws were never capable of speech, they are the mutant descendants of Jackson chameleons.
Edit:
Rather than 'reinvent' 50's style verhicles, I rather had that the designers had been inspired by the designs of that period but made unique designs for future verhicles.
MCA was bullshitting there. One of the reasons why the Fallout Bible isn't all that highly regarded.stormcrow said:
Cars lying around isn't the problem. Cars that can be remade to work with new fusion engines in such great capacities, while that was almost impossible before the war.stormcrow said:
No, the Enclave did not perfect speech, the Enclave engineered these beasties. They were essentially killed off when the only two remaining living Deathclaws were male.stormcrow said:
Also, the Deathclaws in Vault 13 did not all speak perfect English.
Ziltoid said:
To be honest, I have no problem with the NCR having a car or truck or armoured division, they are one of the biggest organisation in the regions.
It becomes ridiculous if every city and town such as Vault City and New Reno, Broken Hills for that matter (Modoc?) have their own full armored division.
BTW, perhaps they use hybrid engines? Energy cells and bio fuel?