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Crni Vuk said:
Popularity. Of course they don't get your money, but money isn't everything. You're still making sure that a game from a company you really hate - for what ever reason - is getting more populuarty, if only in torents and all that stuff. I am saying this, because there are people which think you could get companies to change their buisness practises if you torent their games. But I believe that's absolute garbage and people just can't admit that they want to play the shit out of the game due to their hipocricy - I know I did when I was young. Either be honest about it, or don't do it. That's all I am saying.
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How are they getting populatity unless your computer outputs data to others/the company?

Whether you pirate the game, or not, they get nothing, zilch.

You don't even need to seed, let the torrents of the game die, booo, evil piracy.

Pirate the game.

(ZenoGuy does not condone piracy, I know that is against the rules)
 
By download numbers? The more people download a game, the more likely is it that it's a popular game, many people also seed and thus share the game with others over torents - I know you can disable it, but that puts you often at a disadvantage. It's no secret that a new fancy game with a lot of hype is seeing a lot of traffic in the first weeks, while you'll have a hard time to get a game that is old and unknown.

By going for a game by a company you hate, you're still showing interest in it.

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I also thought once similar like you. Then I grew up and realized how childish that attitude is. You know I also love to bitch about Bethesda because it's fun. But they are after all just a gaming company. They are not selling drugs to children or supporting warlords in Africa with weapons while buying rare minerals from them. They are not like Nestle exploiting poor comunities for water or like Wallmart which shits on workers rights.

A lot of people seem to forget that.

When you pirate games though, you're stealing. That simple. Maybe I also changed my attitude because I used to work as a graphic designer. You think something is shit? Don't get it. That simple really. But don't act like you're Che Guevara or something fighting for the poor gamers by pirating games from shitty gaming companies. No one believes that stuff.
 
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Crni Vuk said:
By download numbers? The more people download a game, the more likely is it that it's a popular game, many people also seed and thus share the game with others over torents - I know you can disable it, but that puts you often at a disadvantage. It's no secret that a new fancy game with a lot of hype is seeing a lot of traffic in the first weeks, while you'll have a hard time to get a game that is old and unknown.

By going for a game by a company you hate, you're still showing interest in it.

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I also thought once similar like you. Then I grew up and realized how childish that attitude is. You know I also love to bitch about Bethesda because it's fun. But they are after all just a gaming company. They are not selling drugs to children or supporting warlords in Africa with weapons while buying rare minerals from them. They are not like Nestle exploiting poor comunities for water or like Wallmart which shits on workers rights.

A lot of people seem to forget that.

When you pirate games though, you're stealing. That simple. Maybe I also changed my attitude because I used to work as a graphic designer. You think something is shit? Don't get it. That simple really. But don't act like you're Che Guevara or something fighting for the poor gamers by pirating games from shitty gaming companies. No one believes that stuff.
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New games are always going to be 'popular', brainwashed masses are easily affected by hype.

Thus piracy numbers are going to be co-related to the populatity of it.

Doesn't mean that piracy makes games more popular, in fact the inverse is true, more popular a game, more pirates.

Bethesda intentionally, with full knowledge of doing such, dumbs down the gaming industry and is practically brainwashing people.

To fight such a thing, is a worthy cause IMO, media influences many things nowadays, it cannot be ignored, even gaming.

So thus, pirate the game, its the morally right thing to do.

(Zenoguy does not condone pirating games, do not pirate games, that is against the rulez)
 
When it comes to piracy it can actually help developers a great bit particularly AAA game companies as it exposes their demographics in pure numbers. Giving Bethesda information like that not only makes them want to continue producing the game, but also screws the other players who didn't pirate it by forcing a company like Bethesda to really double down on DRM and anti hack attempts.

All in all pirates give developers quick and pure numbers for their research and sales, which promotes the incentive to develop more of said product all the while crapping all over the legal paying customers.

Either way, as far as piracy goes is nothing more that a rebellious failure playing right into their hands.

Also there is no proof that Bethesda in any way has the capacity to "brainwash" people, people are just stupid.

However I submit the following as a viable way of protesting;
  1. Don't purchase additional games or content related to the IP's owned by the company.
  2. Voice your opinion in a public forums.
  3. Engage in debates in open forums to attempt to sway public opinion.
  4. Support another developer that embraces your view point.
  5. Refuse to become a demographic that the developer you dislike from using to their benefit.
Protesting something you don't agree with does not mean anyone needs to break a law or cause harm. However you can benefit others and yourself by acting in a civilized manner by trying to focus your energy in a positive direction that will benefit you and those you agree with.
 
Einhanderc7 said:
However I submit the following as a viable way of protesting;
  1. Don't purchase additional games or content related to the IP's owned by the company.
  2. Voice your opinion in a public forums.
  3. Engage in debates in open forums to attempt to sway public opinion.
  4. Support another developer that embraces your view point.
  5. Refuse to become a demographic that the developer you dislike from using to their benefit.
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1. You end up buying the game anyway, because humans are sods who are easily persuaded by friends, peers, online people, etc.

2. You get banned or censored from all official forums.

3. Read 2.

4. There is none, or the ones which do, don't make games you like.

5. You are then ignored and they continue to fuck over actual consumers anyway.

Einhanderc7 said:
Protesting something you don't agree with does not mean anyone needs to break a law or cause harm. However you can benefit others and yourself by acting in a civilized manner by trying to focus your energy in a positive direction that will benefit you and those you agree with.
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Funnily enough, it could be argued that game devs nowadays break advertising laws, and harm people financially, if not their hardware via DRM which breaks shit, disables the game, etc.

But no one will ever fight them on that.

So pirate.

(ZenoGuy does not condone piracy, do not pirate, it is illegal and makes pandas cry)
 
ALSO LOOK AT THE STEAM REVIEWS, JUST LOOK AT THEM:

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Now I am genuinely happy!

This is just amazing to read.
 
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Einhanderc7 said:
  1. Support another developer that embraces your view point.
  2. Refuse to become a demographic that the developer you dislike from using to their benefit.
Protesting something you don't agree with does not mean anyone needs to break a law or cause harm. However you can benefit others and yourself by acting in a civilized manner by trying to focus your energy in a positive direction that will benefit you and those you agree with.
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Exactly. If someone is so hell-bend on fucking companies that screw gamers, go and only support those that have different buisness practises. Seriously, the alternatives are there. Like the Witcher games, NOW we're talking about screwing Bethesda, if you catch the drift, game of the year *wink**wink* ;).

But this I am a pirate yarrr! Beacuse I fight for the poor disenfranchised gamer! That's just bullshit. You're simply another demopgrahic.
 
Seriously don't **** with Steams market following. They can literally crush game developers over night. If the Steam community bands together and attacks the game, not only will Valve pull it, but it will cause some serious harm to Bethesda.

WOOOHOOO Steam, **** **** up!
 
ThatZenoGuy said:
To fight such a thing, is a worthy cause IMO, media influences many things nowadays, it cannot be ignored, even gaming.
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The last thing I will say here to you about piracy, because this is becoming irritating.

But here is the part you're really missing. Gamers do this for the last 20+ years, with the same old fucked up arguments - and the music industry sees this shit for the last 40 if not more, again with the same silly arguments. And the industry has become subsequently worse, so what has this 'civil disobedience' achieved? A shit ton of nothing. At some point you have to face the reality that what you're doing is having no effect, and it's actually making it worse in the end - like someone said, you make companies double down on their anti-consumer policy, and they have every legal reason to do so they protect their property dude that's the reality. They see their games are still in demand, but they want to make a buck on it, so they become more and more restrictive. And most gamers willingly buy in to this shit. So if you want to make them change or notice something, that is cleary not the way. Without offense, it seems that you're rather young (and naive) I believe.

But yeah, I guess we all have our excuses for the shit we do. That's normal. But be at least honest about it, ZenoQuijote. Because you're fighting windmills here. And nothing else.

It simply makes you sound silly and childish. It's like you're stealing clothes from a company exploiting children in Africa and you say that you steal it because you hate them for it ... Yeah who's going to believe that shit? No one. It's just to make you feel better for stealing shit you actually don't really need anyway. That's all there is. We're not even talking about things you seriously need, like food or water. And no one is getting killed over the busines practises from Bethesda or EA here. I mean this in the friendlest way possible, you're just making an ass out of your self. There is no moral high ground here. Hell if someone said, he pirates games because he's poor as fuck, I could understand it, because it's honest.

But beacuse of some 'moreal' objection? Oh well. Nice joke. You can fool your self all you want, but nother others. Been there, done that. It's stupid. It's useless. And it actually HURTS gaming as a whole. But there are thousands of alternatives, from indiegames to a couple of professional companies that deserve your attention. Not to mention so many seriously old high quality games out there that you can play till you die. You don't even have to touch torents to make a statement here. And many gamers do, quite effectivelly so.
 
Crni Vuk said:
But beacuse of some 'moreal' objection? Oh well. Nice joke. You can fool your self all you want, but nother others. Been there, done that. It's stupid. It's useless. And it actually HURTS gaming as a whole. But there are thousands of alternatives, from indiegames to a couple of professional companies that deserve your attention. Not to mention so many seriously old high quality games out there that you can play till you die. You don't even have to touch torents to make a statement here. And many gamers do, quite effectivelly so.
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Seeing the gaming industry collapse and burn would bring a smile to my face.

^_^
 
Einhanderc7 said:
Seriously don't **** with Steams market following. They can literally crush game developers over night. If the Steam community bands together and attacks the game, not only will Valve pull it, but it will cause some serious harm to Bethesda.

WOOOHOOO Steam, **** **** up!
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Why are you using **** instead of fuck etc?
 
Crni Vuk said:
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Well, at least he didn't swear.

That'd get him put in the naughty corner, where no no word users belong.

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Crni Vuk said:
But here is the part you're really missing. Gamers do this for the last 20+ years, with the same old fucked up arguments - and the music industry sees this shit for the last 40 if not more, again with the same silly arguments. And the industry has become subsequently worse, so what has this 'civil disobedience' achieved? A shit ton of nothing. At some point you have to face the reality that what you're doing is having no effect, and it's actually making it worse in the end - like someone said, you make companies double down on their anti-consumer policy, and they have every legal reason to do so they protect their property dude that's the reality. They see their games are still in demand, but they want to make a buck on it, so they become more and more restrictive. And most gamers willingly buy in to this shit. So if you want to make them change or notice something, that is cleary not the way. Without offense, it seems that you're rather young (and naive) I believe.
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Protip, don't fall for the 'we only make anti-consumer practices because of the pirates!' gibberish and lies.

They do it anyway.

DRM? Doesn't stop a single pirate, they do it so people who buy the game have less freedom with their products.

Every single time people say "We're doing this to stop pirates!", they actually mean "We're doing this to remain in control so people who bought the game have to follow OUR rules"

Pirates ironically not only sell FREE products, but their products are qualitively SUPERIOR.

Companies know DRM doesn't work, they don't care, it keeps their consumers under control.

Who cares if a few people pirate? They're neckbeard faggots, what can they do?
 
ThatZenoGuy said:
Seeing the gaming industry collapse and burn would bring a smile to my face.
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What a pipe dream to justify such a 'cause'. Ironically, ignoring a game and not even obtaining it is more harmful to it than illegally downloading it but I won't go into further detail since @Crni Vuk has gotten that line of argument covered.

Zeno edgelording aside, I doubt this backlash on Steam will take effect for long. The 'reviews' (I classify those one word/sentence reviews as either shills or people trying too hard to be funny) will begin countering the negative reviews in a couple of months like they did before.
 
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