Game Informer Fallout 3 article scans
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boer_kameel
Still Mildly Glowing
Tannhauser said:
Hmz, nice job of some weird work...
Indeed, this just shows it more, the F3 mutie just isn't the thing.The Behemoth shows quite some resemblance to the middle non-fallout mutie... Where's that one from?
Ps: Maybe a typo, or l33tscript, togeth0r?
Ausir said:
Doesn't half the old BIS staff work at Troika? That would have been perfect :s
*edit*
Clicked "Quote" in stead of "edit", /me blushes :p
Xython said:
So was FO
OS. And I'll also point out it was so darned successful that it killed Interplay.
Your point, exactly?
Coolies, we're not 'eleven angry guys on a website' anymore, we're a hundred.
Evolution.
boer_kameel
Still Mildly Glowing
Wooz said:
Looking at the action going on in here, it looks like a hundred easily :p
No. Sadly, Troika is currently dead. But it was founded by Tim Cain, Leon Boyarsky and Jason Anderson which were part of the core Fallout 1 team. They left Interplay during the early stages of FO2 development, before the RPG division of Interplay was even named Black Isle.
You're probably confusing them with Obsidian, which has Black Isle people that were working on Fallout 2 and Van Buren (Chris Avellone, J.E. Sawyer, Feargus Urquhart).
You're probably confusing them with Obsidian, which has Black Isle people that were working on Fallout 2 and Van Buren (Chris Avellone, J.E. Sawyer, Feargus Urquhart).
Smoke_Jaguar
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
Well what you already seen around here, you're probably right to make this assumption. Bethesda will never make games for 100 or 1.000 or 10.000 people.
And NMA is not it's mods. It's all the members of the Fallout community that love Fallout BEFORE Bethesda announced some shitty article in a shitty game mag.
We were here before the fall.... the title reads...
Xython
First time out of the vault
boer_kameel said:
And then Troika would have died with Fallout's license in hands, and we'd be right back to square one.
Don't sidestep the argument.Xython said:
And I'll point out that that's not why Troika died, and that you're an uninformed moron.Xython said:
Yes, and that's not the point either. Nobody is arguing that Bethesda can't make this game, but that they *shouldn't*.Xython said:
If someone were to buy the rights to the Lord of the Rings series, they could turn it into a sci-fi show. That doesn't mean they'd be *right* to do it, but they would have the official right to do so.
And thanks for *yet again* ignoring an argument.Xython said:
First of all, even the first two Fallout games sell quite well these games. That niche is not as small as you make it.
Secondly, again, you fail to address the issue that they are clearly aiming a game at a very, very crowded niche while they could aim the game at the logical audience of the people who liked the first two games. Which would presumably be why they bought the license in the first place. I cannot fathom a valid reason why they are ignoring this fanbase.
Wrong. Most of the fanbase wanted a game like the first two games. Because, you know, that's why they're fans.Xython said:
You can't expect to be posting here for very long if you keep making retarded and very false statements like this one. The crowd for a game like the first two games is a lot bigger than just this forum.Xython said:
Go go false dichotomy (or rather quadrochotomy).Xython said:
No, then Troika would be alive since they'd have Activision as a publisher.Xython said:
What, you don't know how the game industry works? Gee, what a fucking surprise.
Xython said:
That may be but they could have also left it alone you know?
Tell me, outside yourself, me and others on this Fallout board and the few other forums out there, who is demanding a new Fallout game?
Most of the masses are pretty happy with Halo, Grand Theft Auto, Gears of War and a plenthora of other similar games that are being produced.
They either don't know Fallout or they don't care because they already play what they like.
Nothing against you personally, but you give the impression that all these people demand Fallout 3 and that it is made in such a way that they can enjoy it.
On one of the gaming forums where I came a lot of the Oblivion fans had never heard of Fallout before when it was announced that Bethesda was working on a game taking place in a Post Apocalyptic setting.
So Bethesda was working on a third part of an obscure series that had gone by them because it had been for some reason not interesting to them.
the.dlb
First time out of the vault
Face it, they're just not making games for us ancients anymore, the ones who were there from the beginning. So many great franchises are being slaughtered en masse for the sake of the Twitch Generation. Here are a few:
Shadowrun. Deceased, the corpse molested and ressurected as FPS CTF garbage.
Deus Ex. Slain with the coming of consolized #2.
Elder Scrolls. We know what happened there. Handholding, simplified mess.
Bioshock. And here. And it'll turn out the same as...
Fallout 3. Notice a trend?
I know there are others that took this fateful turn, they're just not coming to me at the moment. As for the pictures...they look nice...if it wasn't named Fallout. I had a feeling it would turn out this way. I've seen more than a few come to this end.
If we learned anything from Bethesda, it's that everything is a lie. Use this as a guide of what to expect with this and all their titles, and everything they say:
'Nuff said.
I wish I could say "I'll just wait and see" but I know what I'll see...and those who forget are destined to remember.
Shadowrun. Deceased, the corpse molested and ressurected as FPS CTF garbage.
Deus Ex. Slain with the coming of consolized #2.
Elder Scrolls. We know what happened there. Handholding, simplified mess.
Bioshock. And here. And it'll turn out the same as...
Fallout 3. Notice a trend?
I know there are others that took this fateful turn, they're just not coming to me at the moment. As for the pictures...they look nice...if it wasn't named Fallout. I had a feeling it would turn out this way. I've seen more than a few come to this end.
If we learned anything from Bethesda, it's that everything is a lie. Use this as a guide of what to expect with this and all their titles, and everything they say:
'Nuff said.
I wish I could say "I'll just wait and see" but I know what I'll see...and those who forget are destined to remember.
Middle-top, Far Cry; Middle-Right, Resident Evil 3: Nemesis.boer_kameel said:
I've to pay tribute to you guys here. You're truly fighting since 10 years for a true Fallout 3. You really don't deserve such a farce like this.
But it's a sad trend, to change great old concepts, or let's better say, to make 'shiny graphics'...
There was a time, when gameplay and story was the main goal behind a game, but today it seems to be about shader (points toward his sig)...
While you brought up a 'discussion' or a comparison to adventure games, let me say one thing about that:
Monkey Island was a great series, until some dumphead came up with the idea to do it in 3D and a keyboard control... (I wonder why i enjoyed Grim Fandango and hated MI4)...
But back to the article, or much the discussion...
There are 2 core elements of computer games (for me, and they are set in this order!):
1. gameplay
2. stroy
The gameplay is the main element of game, who's saying "But the setting is the same" - sure, but why do you think games got classified by their genre and not by their story (Or graphics *coughs coughs*)?
Civilization is Civilization because of it's gameplay, it nearly has no story. But saying some real-time Civ-"Clone" (i never played this game and so i don't remind it's name) is civilization is utterly B***s**t. They both might have as main part 'conquering the world' or 'ruling' the world. But the gameplay makes a big difference.
Also the new Indiana Jones, this cheap Lara Croft-Clone, isn't a sequel to the true old Lucas Film Games Indiana Jones Adventures for me...
Keep in mind, that if you say 'Gameplay dosen't matter, as long as the they keep true to the setting and the story' the companys could come to the conclusion that they also could make games where you're only 'gameplay' is to click on the button reading 'next' to switching to the next video-scene....
Another comparison comes to mind:
Star Wars... i mean you got thousand of different (okay i'm overdoing it) genres of Star Wars games. But it's totaly unnatrual to say 'Knights of the old Republic' is a sequel to 'Jedi Academy' or 'X-Wing vs. Tie-Fighter' while the setting is mainly the same and they also keep true to the story....
So please stop trying to defend this 'Fallout 3' (it's not Fallout, but some other thing) with the word 'But the setting is like the old fallout.
I doubt their system will work out good, and after Oblivion (and a lot of other games where game companys made false promises about cool 'features', like multiple paths and so on, i won't believe any game magazine nor promises von Bethesda).
The graphics? Damn i don't care if the supermutant looking like an orc. Or a bit off Power-Armor, as long as they resemble a cewrtain similarity to the old ones. But seeing a more cold colour plaette and a more 'Realistic' design approach is too much...
So please take this from a guy, who never before posted here, nor in the Beth-fallout forums:
"It's not Fallout, even if it might become the greatest game ever in existance'".
Call it "Fallout - The later years" or something like this, but please please, don't pretend it to be the third installation of the original Fallout, because it isn't.
And while a lot of people here only want a true Fallout 3, stop complaining about them, when they complain about not getting it. Because they dont' get the game they want...
And saying "Nah you won't get the game you want, you've to take this as a replacement and you have to like it" is childish bu**s**t
So i hope my post did make sense up until now (or in other words, i hope my english was well enough to be understandable)...
So now to 'Random' 'trolling' (maybe in the wrong forum *G*):
I would suggest calling Beths Fallout:
'TYD - Fallout' (The Younger Discs - Fallout) , or something like that
The conversation system in Fallout and Oblivion the same? I guess chatting with a woman is also the same as having some more personal contact eh for you Xython...
And yeah, you could change the old Morrowind wiki style. But that would be under my 'false promises until i saw it done' things
Modding this Over-the-shoulder cam thing into a 'true' Fallout with the Beth-Tools? You ever tried anything with the Oblivion tools? - Heck, you can't even get what the player hit with from their scripting-language! (As far as i remember)...
And so you had either to find some wacky work-arounds for such things, or you had to hack a few original files, wich isn't actually allowed i think...
So the normal Oblivion tool was more a 'Give the sword higher damage'-thing as an 'Let's change the fundamental gameplay' thing.
Okay that's it for now.
I've just lef to excuse me for my english and for allways using 'you' instead of the names of you guys or more suitable terms...
Good Night/Morning/Midday...
But it's a sad trend, to change great old concepts, or let's better say, to make 'shiny graphics'...
There was a time, when gameplay and story was the main goal behind a game, but today it seems to be about shader (points toward his sig)...
While you brought up a 'discussion' or a comparison to adventure games, let me say one thing about that:
Monkey Island was a great series, until some dumphead came up with the idea to do it in 3D and a keyboard control... (I wonder why i enjoyed Grim Fandango and hated MI4)...
But back to the article, or much the discussion...
There are 2 core elements of computer games (for me, and they are set in this order!):
1. gameplay
2. stroy
The gameplay is the main element of game, who's saying "But the setting is the same" - sure, but why do you think games got classified by their genre and not by their story (Or graphics *coughs coughs*)?
Civilization is Civilization because of it's gameplay, it nearly has no story. But saying some real-time Civ-"Clone" (i never played this game and so i don't remind it's name) is civilization is utterly B***s**t. They both might have as main part 'conquering the world' or 'ruling' the world. But the gameplay makes a big difference.
Also the new Indiana Jones, this cheap Lara Croft-Clone, isn't a sequel to the true old Lucas Film Games Indiana Jones Adventures for me...
Keep in mind, that if you say 'Gameplay dosen't matter, as long as the they keep true to the setting and the story' the companys could come to the conclusion that they also could make games where you're only 'gameplay' is to click on the button reading 'next' to switching to the next video-scene....
Another comparison comes to mind:
Star Wars... i mean you got thousand of different (okay i'm overdoing it) genres of Star Wars games. But it's totaly unnatrual to say 'Knights of the old Republic' is a sequel to 'Jedi Academy' or 'X-Wing vs. Tie-Fighter' while the setting is mainly the same and they also keep true to the story....
So please stop trying to defend this 'Fallout 3' (it's not Fallout, but some other thing) with the word 'But the setting is like the old fallout.
I doubt their system will work out good, and after Oblivion (and a lot of other games where game companys made false promises about cool 'features', like multiple paths and so on, i won't believe any game magazine nor promises von Bethesda).
The graphics? Damn i don't care if the supermutant looking like an orc. Or a bit off Power-Armor, as long as they resemble a cewrtain similarity to the old ones. But seeing a more cold colour plaette and a more 'Realistic' design approach is too much...
So please take this from a guy, who never before posted here, nor in the Beth-fallout forums:
"It's not Fallout, even if it might become the greatest game ever in existance'".
Call it "Fallout - The later years" or something like this, but please please, don't pretend it to be the third installation of the original Fallout, because it isn't.
And while a lot of people here only want a true Fallout 3, stop complaining about them, when they complain about not getting it. Because they dont' get the game they want...
And saying "Nah you won't get the game you want, you've to take this as a replacement and you have to like it" is childish bu**s**t
So i hope my post did make sense up until now (or in other words, i hope my english was well enough to be understandable)...
So now to 'Random' 'trolling' (maybe in the wrong forum *G*):
I would suggest calling Beths Fallout:
'TYD - Fallout' (The Younger Discs - Fallout) , or something like that
The conversation system in Fallout and Oblivion the same? I guess chatting with a woman is also the same as having some more personal contact eh for you Xython...
And yeah, you could change the old Morrowind wiki style. But that would be under my 'false promises until i saw it done' things
Modding this Over-the-shoulder cam thing into a 'true' Fallout with the Beth-Tools? You ever tried anything with the Oblivion tools? - Heck, you can't even get what the player hit with from their scripting-language! (As far as i remember)...
And so you had either to find some wacky work-arounds for such things, or you had to hack a few original files, wich isn't actually allowed i think...
So the normal Oblivion tool was more a 'Give the sword higher damage'-thing as an 'Let's change the fundamental gameplay' thing.
Okay that's it for now.
I've just lef to excuse me for my english and for allways using 'you' instead of the names of you guys or more suitable terms...
Good Night/Morning/Midday...
the.dlb said:
Very hush hush but there might be a Deus Ex 3 dixit the head of Eidos France , realised by the new studio in Montreal, with the aim to "revive Deus Ex" (that is NOT going in the Invisible Wars path).
This should be a video clip about it ( but the damn thing just randomly explodes in Firefox and it just won't play in IE 6)
http://www.musiqueplus.com/modules/smartmedia/clip.php?categoryid=9&folderid=45&clipid=1595
( Oh, and that should be french
)Edit : here's the direct link to the video for people having hard time displaying in their browser : http://207.134.96.90/videos/mnet_2007_05_10_topo1.mov (12M)
( I had to use Opera to see it ).
requiem_for_a_starfury
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Too right, well said.Bad_Karma said:
Yadadamean
First time out of the vault
And I read multiple posts about relying on modding teams to make something good out of Fallout 3... Why? I would rather have some real good mods on the old Fallout engine, or that someone pirate-develops the Van Buren tech demo into a full Fallout 3.
Hello Yadadamean
We would all like that but without tools or source code it becomes very hard, plus fan teams are only dedicated for so long.[/b]
Yadadamean said:
We would all like that but without tools or source code it becomes very hard, plus fan teams are only dedicated for so long.[/b]
The Dutch Ghost said:
Don't forget that Sawyer said that Jefferson's engine was a bitch to work with.
Bunkermensch
It Wandered In From the Wastes
It has not to be the jefferson engine, some opensource would do.Mikael Grizzly said:
A fanmade true Fallout sequel would really be something interesting to pull.
At least some thread about how it can/would be done is interesting.
Such a large community has so many talented people who would offer a lot to do something like a true Fallout sequel I guess. =)
So why not just start it?
Hello Bunkermensch,
It has been brought up so many times, I still carry the dream myself and would jump at any serious chance to do so. (and I actually have but that is something else)
The problem is, getting people who really will stick with you to the end, and organisation.
Paid people who work during the day are a lot easier to deal with.
It has been brought up so many times, I still carry the dream myself and would jump at any serious chance to do so. (and I actually have but that is something else)
The problem is, getting people who really will stick with you to the end, and organisation.
Paid people who work during the day are a lot easier to deal with.