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So, you know that thing that happens when you've been doing the same thing over and over again for such extended periods of time that you begin to see visions of the activity when you close your eyes? A few months ago I would always be seeing things related to Ninja Gaiden Sigma gameplay, and other things would somehow transform their "rules" to work according to the gameplay as well. Now it's photoshop things. When I close my eyes, I see clone stamp tools "filling in the blanks" of a random selection of scenery. I see "marching ants" selections. I see things dissecting into layers. It's messing with my head... ~_~

It goes without saying, my being a ghost here for the past few weeks and my seeing photoshop stuff in the recesses of my consciousness are related. Been having to spend every waking moment of free time heading to a place with expensive setups and editing the weeks away to try and learn digital art. But I've always been a traditional, hand-crafted illustrator, the only crafts of which I "moved on" from the analogue format to the digital variant being (mostly) writing, so my inexperience with visual programs extends the time I spend toiling away at the things. I would rather return to seeing those Hell Bovines or Karma score boards or first-person viewpoints of Dota2 matches when my eyes close. Cause these editing visions aren't any fun in the least.
 
So I've decided to install Oblivion again.








Hah. Well, to be accurate, I've decided to install both Oblivion and Morrowind. The reason I am doing this, is because of the numerous walls I am hitting in Skyrim. Skyrim on the surface is a very pretty update to the Elder Scrolls games, however after playing it for hours, and modding it for WEEKS I've discovered a few key design flaws that keep me uninterested in a full playthrough of the game.


As all the Elder Scrolls aficionados will tell you, the series went down hill right after Morrowind. The fact about Morrowind is however, it is a very outdated game. Very.

How outdated?

Well single core with no hyperthreading CPU support and no patch to support modern systems, as well as many compatibility issues and bugs. This means that after toiling for hours with unofficial updates and patches, one can expect a fully decked out modern gaming rig to achieve an abysmal 10 to 20 frames per second WITHOUT modding the graphics in any shape or form.

Which in-of-itself is tolerable, but lets talk about what is intolerable. The combat system. See, Morrowind came out in that era of change to the RPG genre when no one knew what they were doing, and were experimenting to see what would work. So, the combat system is a first person real-time combat system based on dice-rolls.

It is god awful, and tedious. It is bad enough that all the great things about Morrowind that make it a far superior game in so many ways to every other Elder Scrolls game, as well as most all other RPGs to this day is outshined by the outlandishly comical combat system.

So, let's talk about Skryim and Oblivion. I will be the first to say that there are actually elements of Oblivion that are in-fact better than Skyrim. For example, Skyrim completely removed the character disposition system. This makes the game pretty much feel like a plastic simulation. This would be fine in other games, but in an RPG "Especially an RPG that is based off it's lore and how other races and classes interact with each-other, this completely guts the interior working that make the story scripting and character creation actually function properly.

So in Skyrim, being any race or profession has no consequences other than what dialog you hear at certain times.


Skyrim also increased the kill-walls. I disagree with kill walls on all NPC's other than ones that will crash the game, and if that is the case, make them unkillable at key points that will ruin the game, or give consequences and alternatives to their deaths.

Oblivion added this feature, but Skyrim took kill-walls to ridiculous lengths. This is to the point that half of the NPCs that you meet in the game are not killable. This makes the game flat and linear as hell, beyond the already inherent linearity in the game itself, with its false-dichotomy of Imperial vs Stormcloak.

Morrowind had a vast array of quest-trees, guilds, and possible outcomes that utilized the lack of a kill-wall to the full extent.

I would say that Morrowind is vastly superior to all of The Elder Scroll games in all aspects except for the combat.


Well, I found out that there are 2 projects out there to solve this. One is complete, and the other is in progress as we speak.

They are both mods to make Oblivion and Skyrim into an updated Morrowind. The Skyrim version "Skywind." is currently being made as we speak and is full on at near major studio development. The other "MorrOblivion" is done, and requires both Morrowind and Oblivion installed to work.

Skywind currently, looks like serious business.




MorrOblivion is basically, Morrowind in the Oblivion engine, with all the pros-and cons that come with that. However, the prospect of being able to play Morrowind without the FUCKING HORRIBLE SHIT COMBAT is too tempting to not jump on.


 
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For compatibility and shit I'd recommend Morrowind Overhaul. It improves a lot of the graphics, but it also fixes many of the technical issues. It sure runs fine on my machine.
The combat system remains crap, though.
 
Yo Akratus, I'm really happy for you and I'mma let you finish, but Fallout 3 for Xbox was the best game of all time.
 
The Dopamine Cleric, every time I see your avatar it reminds me that I can't run Hotline Miami 2, which makes me really sad.
 
You would be surprised how high the requirements are (the game is in GML)

Anyway, it's not a matter of hardware. When I try to run the game, it says that it is "not a valid win32 application".
 
You sound like a man who has never heard of the power of Google.
 
You sound like a man who lives in early 2000s if you assumed I haven't googled.
 
You sound like a man who lives in 2015 who still can't use Google properly.
 
mef said:
How about you try googling it before talking shit.
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I actually tried it, and you're right, not much directly relating to Hotline Miami 2 appears. However, for the most part people say that this message is because the .exe did not download completely or is, in general, corrupted. Redownload, and see if it works then. If not, I guess you can contact tech support.
 
What version of windows are you running?

Have you tried running it in compatibility mode?

Do you have UAC on or off?

Are you running the program as administrator?
 
I'm aware of that, I tried downloading three different versions (I always pirate games before I buy them - if I don't like them, I delete them, I think it's fair) and I always get this problem, so it must be something with my PC. I know that first Hotline Miami was made in old version of Game Maker, which caused problems on newer PCs, now cactus probably moved to GM Studio or something completely different and it's possible that it requires Windows Vista or newer (some sites say that XP is okay, other don't mention it). I was looking for solution and I found only one person mentioning the same problem (and it was in Russian). Maybe more help will come later, now the game is fresh and not many people have played it.

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mef said:
You would be surprised how high the requirements are (the game is in GML).
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Get the 3dfx Voodoo Banshee than.

mef said:
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Windows XP
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doesn't apply
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Upgrade finally to Win98. Seriously. It's the shit! And you can get even Diablo 1 to work with a few tricks, so you're not loosing on anything.


mef said:
I'm aware of that, I tried downloading three different versions (I always pirate games before I buy them - if I don't like them, I delete them, I think it's fair) and I always get this problem, so it must be something with my PC. ...
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I tried downloading three different versions ... I always pirate games ... so it must be something with my PC

Yeah man. Totally.
 
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Crni Vuk said:
mef said:
You would be surprised how high the requirements are (the game is in GML).
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Get the 3dfx Voodoo Banshee than.

mef said:
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Windows XP
yes
doesn't apply
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Upgrade finally to Win98. Seriously. It's the shit! And you can get even Diablo 1 to work with a few tricks, so you're not loosing on anything.
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I know you're joking, but actually Win XP is still a lot better for running older games than for example Win7. A shit ton of old games that never made it on GoG can be easily - or only with a very trivial bit of tweaking - run on XP, while on 7 I doubt it's even possible. Or a lot of old games that did make it to GoG still can't be run on a newer operating system, example: Disciples 1. The GOG version of the Icewind Dale games can allegadely be run on Win 7, but the cursor won't stop flickering when I run the game, which basically ruins the experience. (At first, I could live with it, but after a short time it made my eyes hurt) Not that this has anything to do with the problem at hand, since Hotline Miami 2 is a new game, but still, it's understandable why someone wouldn't want to upgrade from XP.

I tried downloading three different versions ... I always pirate games ... so it must be something with my PC

Yeah man. Totally.
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Even if all the three versions were pirated, one of them should have worked.
 
XP doesn't have the RAM allocation nor the kernal coding to run Hotline Miami 2.


Nas92

Windows 7 works fine.

The problem is with directX / Direct draw drivers being incompatible. There are numerous Direct-draw fixes for the infinity engine.


http://bitpatch.com/ie_ddrawfix.html
 
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Nas92 said:
Even if all the three versions were pirated, one of them should have worked.
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*shrugs* maybe, maybe not I mean that is the point, you can never be sure with pirated software you know. I just always feel that if you pirated a version than you have really no basis to talk about the issue beeing on the side of the game. Like none. Really. And I don't mean this as insult or what ever. Just saying. It is simply my opinion.

know you're joking, but actually Win XP is still a lot better for running older games than for example Win7.
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When was Hotline Mami 2 released though? I mean com on. Windows XP is by now, how old? 13 years? 14 years? It still is a decent OS, no doubts about that, but as far as gaming goes, it really is a good time to upgrade.
 
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Hotline Miami needs this at minimum to run at 30FPS

 
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