Gun Control

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Throatpunch, Jul 25, 2016.

  1. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    It is iffy.

    On the one hand, our government worked hard to compromise to pass COVID19 relief legislation. That is saying a lot in a country where we rarely agree on much.

    On the other hand, we did not do very well on having enough test kits. We also were slow on providing more efficient methods of testing, like drive throughs for example.

    All in all, in a country where people are not that interested in big government, we do as well as we could. While we have social distancing and stay home orders, there are enough exceptions for people to do what needs to be done compared to more authoritarian governments with their much harder core lockdown.

    Most people in my area are getting used to the fact that we are going to have to accept COVID19 much like Measles, TB, Polio, etc, until we mostly wiped them out with vaccines. Asymptomatic carriers and the fact that the virus can stay on surfaces for a long time, pretty much means people should accept the fact that they might get the virus and just do their best to get tested.
     
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  2. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    My country hasn't tested much either, seems that the testing is quite expensive. They might implement the app that warns if you are or have been close to an infected person, tracing the contagion chain. Like a really sketchy version of Pokemon Go.
     
  3. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I think it's more an infrastructure problem. No country can just multiply laboratories, equipment and more importantly trained stuff like it's magic. Which has been the core of some criticism as why countries haven't prepared better in well, stock pilling when they had the the time to do so.
     
  4. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    These things don't stop even with the virus epidemic, some say that gun violence is an epidemic in itself. Canada this time.

    Canada shooting: Death toll in Nova Scotia rises to 22
     
  5. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
  6. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
  7. KingArthur

    KingArthur My Name Is Actually Arthur

    Jun 25, 2018
    Canada didn’t already have a ban on those? Shows what I know about Canada, I guess.
     
  8. Eshanas

    Eshanas A Smooth-Skin

    655
    Jul 6, 2016
    I've seen some claim it's something that needs to be hammered out a lot more but that Trudeau can introduce the proposition or do an emergency thing or whatever the fuck, but it's all meaningless. Unless they ban semi-autos or high mags, it doesn't matter how the gun looks save for a few smoothbrains who are culturally enslaved as anyone else to think 'ugh big black gun make me go murderrrrrr', and if that can stop a shooter well...

    But I also don't know shit about Canada, so eh.
     
  9. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    Back to my question, people want to ban the 5.56? Why not ban all .223 as well?

    Stupid.
     
  10. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    And if that gun ban was in place before it still wouldn't have prevented this guy from killing people.
     
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  11. KingArthur

    KingArthur My Name Is Actually Arthur

    Jun 25, 2018
    Well naturally. I just figured Canada was leftist enough to already have a ban.
     
  12. SquidVan

    SquidVan Literal Vampire Potbelly Goblin

    Jun 1, 2018
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    This is technically unfounded as there may have been another Black Rifle Company that wasn't making coffee. A humorous thought though.
     
  13. SilverStarApple/Epsilon7

    SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 It Wandered In From the Wastes

    199
    Oct 27, 2017
    I've always found it amusing that even though the "Gun control argument" boils down to "Should Liberals be allowed to restrict the fundamental human rights of themselves and others?", it's always the Liberals who lose their temper and throw insults and personal attacks around first.

    At the end of the day, either you understand why gun rights are an important to protect, or you can't. Or you won't. Either way, do you really have any business insulting people who know more about this topic than you?

    Making piracy more illegal won't stop all piracy.
    Making drug use more illegal won't stop all drug use.
    Making rape more illegal won't stop all rape.
    Making poaching more illegal won't stop all poaching.
    And trying to make legal gun ownership illegal makes life worse for everyone who suffers as a result of bad liberal lawmaking.

    If you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have guns.

    That isn't really hard to understand. It isn't hard to admit that gun rights, like all human rights, are a good thing. I'm keeping profanity out of my post here so that no hypersensitive anti-rights easily-butthurt lunatic can pretend to be offended, and call for my silencing as is the typical liberal response to a debate they cannot win. But seriously, for every Liberal argument made against gun rights, there are plenty of videos debunking the lies used to prop up those faulty liberal arguments.

    When you ban guns, you empower criminals and remove the common man's ability to defend himself. You only need to look at the high gun crime rates of Liberal-run urban cities with incredibly strict "gun control" laws to remind yourself of the fact that banning a weapon won't stop criminals from getting them on the black market. When a gun is in the black market, it cannot be traced or tracked. You cannot do anything about it. Whatever fantasies some might have about a world that magically becomes peaceful without guns won't ever happen. Was the world a peaceful place before guns were invented?

    Murderers are willing to kill with guns, bombs, knives, trucks, and all sorts of other things. London didn't magically become a safer place when it banned guns. There was a period in time when London was hailed as "Proof that gun bans can work", and the people hailing that city quietly stopped once the rates of stabbings and "Truck of Peace" attacks started climbing.

    Every compromise people have ever made with the Anti-Gun Rights crowd was a compromise with an unreasonable position, because saying "Black people don't deserve gun rights" is unreasonable. Saying "All people don't deserve gun rights" is also unreasonable. A compromise made with that position is a compromise with a constantly-moving goal post. The Anti-Gun Rights crowd will never be satisfied with the number of wounds they have inflicted to the second amendment. Setting arbitrary limits on how many bullets this gun can hold, how good this gun can be, how scary this gun is allowed to look, and so on won't protect you from a rapist. Your regulations won't save you from a murderer whose black-market gun doesn't have to follow any of your regulations or laws.

    Calling the cops when things go bad is a good idea, but they don't exactly have a good track record of showing up in time to save anyone. With a gun in your hand, you can do something to save lives in the moment. Even if you don't have what it takes to carry a gun or use it to save others, you should still allow others to carry guns and save lives. Even if that results in them showing you up and looking better than you.

    Conservatives are willing to carry guns and risk their lives to save others in the event of a mass shooting. Many Libertarians are, too. I'm not a Conservative, I'm a Libertarian. Legalize weed and guns.

    Remember that time some church in Texas got attacked, and one man with a Sig Sauer saved everyone in that church? Remember how few bullets it took him to save the lives of everyone in that church? Good.

    Now tell me, do you remember that gay nightclub in Orlando called Pulse? It got shot up by Omar Mateen, one bad guy with a gun. He killed fourty nine(49) people and wounded fifty three(53). Bet the people who died that night wished they carried a gun in their final moments. It might be a grim observation to make, but if we're ever going to solve societal problems like this, we need to look closely at why these things happen. We need to look at how one murderer was able to kill so many without any bullets flying his way, instead of hysterically blaming the weapon he used. I understand that leftist politicians profit from whipping up panicky people into a fearful frenzy for votes and donations. That profiteering response to this problem isn't saving lives, it's ending them. Omar Mateen was just one man, and he had many accomplices. The next Omar Mateen who easily slaughters helpless and unarmed civilians in a gun-free zone will have many accomplices, too.

    With a good gun at their side, anyone can defend themselves from a rapist. Anyone can defend themselves from a murderer. Anyone can defend themselves from the next Omar Mateen.

    If women don't have gun rights, how are they supposed to protect themselves from rapists?

    If men don't have gun rights, how are they supposed to protect themselves from rapists?

    Gun control is a failed solution, and I genuinely don't understand why anyone would continue to support it after how many times it has been proven to fail. It makes the world a worse place for everyone, besides criminals and rich politicians with armed bodyguards and gated mansions. Gun control makes the world an easier place for criminals. I could dare anyone who wants to take my guns to try and take them himself and see what happens, but we all know people like that are too cowardly to try and steal guns in person. They'd rather vote for politicians that boast about wanting to ban guns and order cops to take your guns. Debate is supposed to allow people to calmly and reasonably discuss societal issues while trying to come to a consensus, figure out the truth, and figure out the best way to solve societal problems. I wish debate worked on mass murderers and their accomplices.

    To be honest, I've never heard a valid argument for gun bans. It's always either fear-based("Guns are scary! I shouldn't have to live in fear! The government should make me feel safe!"), feelings-based("I feel like I don't need a gun so you shouldn't be allowed one!"), shame-based("only THOSE DUMB AMERICANS believe gun rights are good! People with guns go on shooting sprees sometimes, I don't want to admit that my laws don't stop criminals with black-market guns and I blame you for crime even though my policies give mass shooters an easier time!"), or a delusional and unreasonable lie("Hurr durr the NRA is a terrorist organizashun that petitions the government to make more mass shootings happen! Trump killed a million people with an AR-15 last week! Also a good man with a gun is actually a BAD thing for an active situation because when the cops get there they won't be able to tell the mass murderer from the other people with guns!").

    I was banned from a Fire Emblem forum a while back for explaining why gun rights are a good thing in a thread about gun control. Which is ridiculous. When you cut out a man's tongue, you aren't proving him a liar. You only prove that you fear what he has to say.
     
  14. SquidVan

    SquidVan Literal Vampire Potbelly Goblin

    Jun 1, 2018
    I'm not for gun control but the idea is that if not everyone can walk into a store and buy them, they become a lot harder to acquire for those who shouldn't have them. As it currently stands, I could go buy one and sell it to someone who shouldn't have one and won't have to do any checks on this person. I don't want them to take firearms away from us, but I understand the argument that they should be harder to obtain, even though I still disagree. Also, I don't particularly remember people like Obama trying to take guns away, just making them harder to obtain. Like licensing as they do for operating machinery. Which, is yeah, unconstitutional but if that was amended that would be potential middle ground. You take a course, a test, background check, and you get a license in which you can buy and operate firearms legally speaking. I'm not expert on politics or the actual zeitgeist that floats about but I'm not so deafened to think that everyone absolutely thinks we should swoop up every gun in America overnight. Only the extreme people of the other side of the fence believe something that bizarre.
    You getting banned from a video game forum in an off topic section discussing something the USA is practically 50/50 split on is ridiculous, unless you were behaving horribly.
     
  15. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    But banning assault style weapons IS taking away my right to those weapons. The Assault Rifle ban did exactly this.
     
  16. SilverStarApple/Epsilon7

    SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 It Wandered In From the Wastes

    199
    Oct 27, 2017
    Keep in mind that "Assault-Style Weapons" and "Assault Weapons" are just slurs Liberals use on guns they want banned this week. Nothing's stopping them from deciding more weapons count as Assault Weapons or Assault-Style Weapons down the line, like how Alt-Right has become a meaningless slur they use on everyone they hate, even Libertarians and Centrists.

    They know attacking the right to own guns is wrong and totalitarian. That's why they pretend they "Only" want "this one small" aspect of gun ownership removed this week.

    "We can't allow crazy people to own guns! Also, we need Red Flag Laws that let Liberals call the cops on Conservative neighbours to report wrongthink/thoughtcrime and get their gun rights revoked!"

    Such a cowardly way to abuse government power. Those people shouldn't have government power.
     
  17. TheHouseAlwaysWins

    TheHouseAlwaysWins Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    362
    Nov 28, 2015
  18. SilverStarApple/Epsilon7

    SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 It Wandered In From the Wastes

    199
    Oct 27, 2017
    Anyone else roll their eyes when a Liberal tries the old "Reinterprets the Second Amendment to suit their agenda" trick?

    They claim the Second Amendment ONLY applies to muskets, or ONLY applies to people in a militia (while also hating militias), or ONLY this or ONLY that.

    The Amendment Rights were made to restrict what the government can do so that it does not violate or limit the freedoms of its people. They weren't made to restrict rights, they were meant to secure the most fundamental human rights of all.

    I can't think of any old lefty tricks dumber than the "Your book/constitution, which I hate and want burned, actually says this so there" trick, so tell me some old lefty tricks you're tired of seeing.
     
  19. Post-War Tribal

    Post-War Tribal If I'm salty, u probably deserve it.

    73
    Nov 8, 2018
    In my opinion citizens shouldn't be allowed gun ownership. Too many xenophobic, deranged & weirdos packing heat. Michael Moore for president. - Columbine could've been avoided. As could've all the other mass shootings.
     
  20. SilverStarApple/Epsilon7

    SilverStarApple/Epsilon7 It Wandered In From the Wastes

    199
    Oct 27, 2017
    Hmm...

    Do you know what a "Black Market" is?