How do communists want to enforce their ideology?

I think it would be equally ok to make a thread "How do capitalists want to enforce their ideology" but I'm not going to make that thread. Just sayin'.
Historically, through violence, control of institutional power, and emulation.

Control of institutional power is pretty simple, either the one in power are capitalists, or people whom interest lie with the capitalist, like for example bribe, economical interest, promised job for retirement and various other thing (Capitalist are powerful and wealthy, it's in your interest to obey them if you want to succeed in life). The country will naturally adopt capitalism, because the opinion of the people who really matters (in other words people who aren't you and me) are capitalists, from important bureaucrat, politicians, the press, etc... Being in power also have the advantage of making it easier to control and shape the mind of the population, through education, media, advertisement, etc...

About violence. Capitalism has his dark and dirty past. Thankfully for most of us, the capitalist society as non physically violent as they ever been, and we can enjoy cheap goods, and the governmental guarantee of more civil right than humanity ever had (with maybe the exception of paleolithic time as long as you and your group can protect your right). I suspect that socialist revolutionary are rather discontent with today condition, because there isn't enough social tension to provoke a revolution. Many of us might have forgotten but today's police violence is nowhere near close to what it used to be, when a policeman wound or kill somebody, it is more due to lack of training, personal control, misjudgement, and shear incompetence, a century ago, and not so long ago for some country, violence was deliberate and supported by the governmental institution. I'm speaking of stuff as trivial as imprisonment of agitators and leaders, or more grievous like a governmental official sending the army (not the police) to shoot strikers because the factory owner is tired of losing money, and capitalist being legally allowed to have their own para-military force to manage their workers with guns. Whether it's a result of capitalism, the social organization, moral, or brutal nature of man, I don't know.

An other form of violence can be seen as poor working condition, that still happen today, especially in country who don't benefit from social progress, or just down right general poverty. Multinational, and local company can be quite ruthless, because in the name of profit, your well-being doesn't matter, well if you have enough money to spare on useless thing your well-being do matter, since it makes money, which isn't the case for a Chinese working in a coal mine, or some Apple assembly line, or some slave child (yes they exist) working in a cocoa farm somewhere in Africa. Destruction of traditional economy and social structure (thing like familly, village, whatever, who cares?) can be also considered as a form of violence. Other things like : manipulating finance and prices, to the detriment of countries and population, coercing countries into liberalization for the profit of multinational, the rest is up to your imagination. Just to say, capitalism when it is unregulated, and it will not do it by itself, can be really ruthless.

The last, is emulation. Humans have the ability to evolve socially, intellectually, philosophically, just like genes. The difference is that this natural selection is blind, and social, cultural evolution can to some extent be voluntary and conscious. Humans will often imitate other people who seems to be more successful, and powerful, to gain a part of their success. Do I need to explain more?

I've only read this book twice, and I don't have a complete understanding to make a commentary about it (and I barely remember anything, it's been a long time, forgive my old brain), I'd suggest John Hayek's Road to Serfdom if your interested in the danger of collectivism, be it social or fascist. I'm not going to give you any link to a pirated version (there are plenty of them), and stealing dead people is wrong right (are archeologists evil?)?
 
Is someone here, who has actually bothered to Read Marx? Or what his theories have been about.
 
The reason why socialism tends to fail in the U.S. is, like others have said, multi-faceted failure.

Your average American is pretty damned spoiled. Even in the ghettos, it is not uncommon to see people with XBOX Ones, PS4s, flat screen TVs. You see it all the time, someone drives what you know is a older or flat out crap car but it has RIMS, expensive ones. Minus certain places where the local leaders have fucked up (Flint and they INCLUDE democrats), people have safe access to water, heating, electricity, etc. You can find studio apartments as cheap as 4-500 dollars a month that furnish this.

People need to be pretty damned desperate to revolt and TBH, there isn't much of that here. There are the homeless but, minus those who have led normal lives, made good decisions and had something tragic happen to them, or the ones that were always crazy, or came from shitty homes, the rest are there because they don't get along with their families. Be it substance abuse, refusal to go home and live with mommy and daddy because they cannot stand RULES or arrogance, these people have folks willing to take them in.

Then you have the liberals in name only who really don't know jack shit about politics. They jump on Hillary/Bern wagons because it is hip and fashionable. 'If I act like a liberal, use buzzwords like class conflict, and say I blog, this chick finds me sexy and will fuck me'. Lets be honest, you see these idiots all the time in Hillary/Bern supporters are dumb videos. (Disclaimer), I know Trump supporters and the right can be dumb too, it is just that they are not the topic of subject ATM.

You have liberal Hollywood who talks about giving money yet they all have accountants who take care of their money and often, use as many loopholes as they can to also save their wealth. Why do you think this big mouthed libs NEVER leave when they threaten to when a conservative president goes into office. They KNOW they have the good life and enjoy having people like those less fortunate serve them.

There are vets who generally need help but their military training and stance are, on average, conservative. Like the guy who doesn't want to, or think he deserves to leave his unit to fight while he himself goes home to enjoy the good life. These folks also hate the damned whiners above and are generally dissatisfied with both parties.

In general, socialist supporters are generally likened to what I have stated above. Whether they are leftist fear mongers (those who claim we live in a police state and say all cops are SWAT officers), hypocritical leftists, race hustlers AKA race panderers, the naïve, socialism just has a bad reputation. I see SO MANY Bern supporting idiots talking about pitchforks and torches and they bitch and moan that people think they will get violent. A nation of 280 MILLION, where admittedly, the lefties say the wealth is concentrated in a small group of people, can somehow not only reach consensus but will accept a healthcare system where the majority of people only need it for the MOST EXPENSIVE treatments, like Cancer, AIDS, Alzheimers, and that somehow some speculative tax will cover it, is folly. As mutant so helpfully corrected me, Germany is the most populated socialist country in Europe at 80 million. That's THREE TIMES LESS plus change people then America. NHS, that serves a British population of 60 some million, FOUR TIMES LESS. Nordics, on average like Sweden and Finland, FIFTY TIMES. Its insane really.
 
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Is someone here, who has actually bothered to Read Marx? Or what his theories have been about.
Yeah, it's an interesting read. I prefer Lenin's interpretation mainly because it's less of a hopeless utopia and has clear social viability. Sadly his vision was hijacked by Stalin and Mao, who used it to justify their own hunger for power. Other then that, life in the USSR wasn't that bad. In fact, the collapse of the Soviet Union led to a fall in living conditions.
 
Well, but that is only if you compare it to the pre-Soviet conditions, you could not get much lower than what Zarist Russia was right before WW1. Lenin was power hungry and not really someone who had a lot of qualms in dealing with oppositions. Communism, is not a bogyman and a lot is just propaganda where people mix up ideologies and beliefs that are not even necessarily releated to each other. Like socialism. If I remember correctly, there was up to this day no real Communist state. But I might be wrong about it, it has been some time that I really read some stuff about it. I think though, even the leaders of those so called communist states, said that much. Because from what I remember, Communism was the goal, the ultimate target. A world revolution if you want so. The dictatorships and leaderships they estabilshed have been seen as a necessary means to get to that goal, where after they reached it, they wouldn't be need anymore. It goes without a saying, that this interpretation of Communism obviously ignores human nature completely. I am not sure which great thinker said this, but it holds true I think, Socialsm without Freedom (or Democracy) is like trying to breath without air.
However, what I find funny, is how socialism and communism is seen today in the United States, where both words are so heavily loaded that it is impossible to use them. Even though, the idea of socialism, was actually very american in the past. You know, helping each other, making sure that the poor don't starve, medical aid to those that need it, good and affordable education for all children and all that. Basic stuff really.
 
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Lenin did what he had to, he didn't create mass purges for the sake of it like Stalin. He was fighting a brutal war against foreigners and his own countrymen. It does make a man paranoid and desperate.
 
Eh, no clue. He was a dictator and he manipulated the people around him. He had no problem to crush the democratic movement of the revolution and using anything to his advantage. The Bolsheviks have been radicals, and there can be no doubts about it. It's true, Stalin was without a doubt much worse. But it was Lenin that made it possible for people like Stalin and Beria to get power. I mean you're not ignoring the rapist just because he was followed by a killer. Both are in my opinion criminals and dictators.
Russias history is really a very interesting and sad one. Full of violence and missed oportunities. 1917-18 could have been a very pivotoal point, if the right people/groups actually managed to hold power. Who knows what the provisional government could have achieved? They definetly had some very great ideas.
 
Eh, no clue. He was a dictator and he manipulated the people around him. He had no problem to crush the democratic movement of the revolution and using anything to his advantage. The Bolsheviks have been radicals, and there can be no doubts about it. It's true, Stalin was without a doubt much worse. But it was Lenin that made it possible for people like Stalin and Beria to get power. I mean you're not ignoring the rapist just because he was followed by a killer. Both are in my opinion criminals and dictators.
Russias history is really a very interesting and sad one. Full of violence and missed oportunities. 1917-18 could have been a very pivotoal point, if the right people/groups actually managed to hold power. Who knows what the provisional government could have achieved? They definetly had some very great ideas.
Oh he was, he also kept Russia together and kept it generally safe from foreign opportunists. It's the same how Stalin's policies turned Russia into an industrial superpower. The good comes with the bad. Actually Lenin didn't want Stalin to come into power... the lack of a clear successor and Stalin's influence (he was basically the leader of the propaganda department) made Stalin get into power.
 
Other then that, life in the USSR wasn't that bad. In fact, the collapse of the Soviet Union led to a fall in living conditions.

Collapse of anything will always lead to worse conditions initially. All the soviet block countries and puppet entities that escaped Russia's influence after the collapse are now enjoying a pretty high standard of living and they also have a higher HDI rating than Russia (excluding Bulgaria and Romania which are slightly lower than Russia's).

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Collapse of anything will always lead to worse conditions initially. All the soviet block countries and puppet entities that escaped Russia's influence after the collapse are now enjoying a pretty high standard of living and they also have a higher HDI rating than Russia (excluding Bulgaria and Romania which are slightly lower than Russia's).

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(Thanks to Putin...)
 
(Thanks to Putin...)

Maybe, maybe not. I will not state this as fact, but reading some books on this subject, it seems to me like the communist party and KGB did not just vanish after the collapse, but changed faces, so it's hard to know if any meaningful changes might have taken place even in the absence of P.
 
Oh he was, he also kept Russia together and kept it generally safe from foreign opportunists. It's the same how Stalin's policies turned Russia into an industrial superpower. The good comes with the bad. Actually Lenin didn't want Stalin to come into power... the lack of a clear successor and Stalin's influence (he was basically the leader of the propaganda department) made Stalin get into power.
The question is, how much could they have achieved without Lenin and Stalin being such dicks to their own people? And without the opression and controll of the Communist party in the Post-Stalin era. They kept Russia together, trough wars, killing, intimidation, gulags, reprisals, propaganda and surpressing even the slightest hint of nationalism in the Soviet states. I mean yeah ... you could see that as a form of good comes with the bad ... if you're super cynical.
 
The question is, how much could they have achieved without Lenin and Stalin being such dicks to their own people? And without the opression and controll of the Communist party in the Post-Stalin era. They kept Russia together, trough wars, killing, intimidation, gulags, reprisals, propaganda and surpressing even the slightest hint of nationalism in the Soviet states. I mean yeah ... you could see that as a form of good comes with the bad ... if you're super cynical.

Off topic but I, for some reason, in my mind read all of Crni Vuk's posts with a kind of high pitch, cartoony voice that the smiling flower in his avatar is speaking with. Sometimes, with posts like this, it's kinda funny combination.
 
The question is, how much could they have achieved without Lenin and Stalin being such dicks to their own people? And without the opression and controll of the Communist party in the Post-Stalin era. They kept Russia together, trough wars, killing, intimidation, gulags, reprisals, propaganda and surpressing even the slightest hint of nationalism in the Soviet states. I mean yeah ... you could see that as a form of good comes with the bad ... if you're super cynical.
Umm not much. Russia wasn't even willing to go into the industrial times and many farmers were happy just to toil in their fields. It's actually why Stalin starved the kulaks (rich farmers) in Ukraine, to force them out of their own farms and get into collectivization programs which would end up feeding the vast amount of factory workers. The government didn't like the idea of paying for food out of their own country, funnily enough.
 
*shrugs* yeah, with millions of people ending up in gulags, that sure pushed Russia forward a lot. Com on dude. That's almost like claiming that Hitler made Germany better, because it is doing well today or something. The communists under Stalin and before him Lenin, made almost no progress for Russia and the Sovietunion. A lot of the issues we see today, in the eastern parts of Europe, simply exist because of their 70-80 years of politics, colectivism, opression and ideology. It has a reason why they tried very hard to get rid of Stalin and his politics declaring him almost a criminal. And even THAT was not enough to convince everyone in the east block.
Only a cynical would claim, that they brought some progress. With their politics and regime, they made sure that progress was slowed down.
 
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