Is the US a shitty place to live?

Israel has strong lobbying powers here.

If the PRC had their way, they would do to Taiwan what N. Vietnam did to their southern brothers. The hate is strong with this one and it stems from the KMT.

The Tibetans would dis-agree with your assessment I think.

No dis-respect but did you read one of my earlier posts about the chinese economy? It's currently slowed and fucked up (just look at their stock market situation).

Maybe in a few decades with serious reforms, they can be competitive. Growth as of late has come from a massive boom in the manufacturing sector. However, this is NOT guaranteed as many other nations also have competitive sweatshops clamoring for business. Name one chinese, globally competitive company? How about a strong, worldwide brand? They are great with knock offs though.

The goodwill the PRC currently has with us stems from primarily, the sino-soviet split. We gave them HUGE incentives to play ball and the rest is Yao Ming.
 
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From what I've seen so far, every time the western media reports about the Chinese economy being "slow", "fucked up" etc. etc... it's still growing far faster than any other. China might not have big brands known to people outside of Asia, but why is that important? If you can turn a profit without a big brand, why bother with one?

All those news are just an attempt to destabilize China. Opinions people have of a market affect the market in question. The propaganda war never ceases.
 
So every view to the contrary is propaganda?

So the U.S. market crash during the early 20th century was a result of propaganda and not wanton greed, outright market manipulation, and other various abuses considered illegal now?

What happens to the sweatshop laborers when businesses outsource manufacturing to India?

Market is so bad the government suspended the largest shareholders ability to sell as the risk of a run was very possible.

The issue with the chinese is average investors get little to no info on the companies they invest in. It's essentially a crapshoot.

But yeah, like others here, ignore/chalk my facts up to murrican propaganda.
 
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I wouldn't really know. But you couldn't possibly be comparing a setback China ran into with the great depression?

The only thing I do know is that news like this were all around the western media dozens of times, and each time China emerged with an even more powerful economy.

Most Tibetans want to be part of the PRC. Living conditions in pre-PRC Tibet were dreadful. It's a common fallacy, just because a bunch of fanatics burn themselves on public locations does not mean that the majority actually agrees with them. The same goes for Chechnya and Russia. The whole "free Tibet" thing is around because it was fashionable amongst American celebrities at one point in time.
 
Not the depression but the massive market sell-off, a sign that investors lack confidence with the current market climate.

The PRC has a long road ahead in creating a much more transparent market where corporate information is freely available to assist folks in informed investing.

If China wants investment, they need to crack down on things like infringement of foreign company intellectual property.

The reasons I have stated above have been contributing factors but hey, its sharing ideas. If you want to just chalk it up to propaganda, thats your call.
 
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honestly it's not too bad (in wisconsin at least) i mean, at least we dont have an overbearing government or 3rdworldissues in most of the country (some of the poorer ghettos do but that is to be expected when drugs and drive-bys with illegal submachine guns are rampant)
 
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honestly it's not too bad (in wisconsin at least) i mean, at least we dont have an overbearing government or 3rdworldissues in most of the country (some of the poorer ghettos do but that is to be expected when drugs and drive-bys with illegal submachine guns are rampant)
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So that's what Detroit is called today.
 
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ninjacapo said:
honestly it's not too bad (in wisconsin at least) i mean, at least we dont have an overbearing government or 3rdworldissues in most of the country (some of the poorer ghettos do but that is to be expected when drugs and drive-bys with illegal submachine guns are rampant)
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So that's what Detroit is called today.
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Um, hello? YES! Have you SEEN images/videos of Detroit? That place makes shitholes look like vacation spas!
 
I think the idea behind my comment wasn't very clear. Detroit is a shit hole. We all know that by now. And it is not the only region with issues. And Detroit is a whole city. So I am not sure if talking about ghettos here is the best way to describe it. We are talking about a structural problem not ghettos.
 
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Detroit is a shit hole.
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What, detroit? Folks there are just chillin and making some great techno.

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I don't know about the US being a shitty place to live. Albuquerque, NM is a shitty place to live, though. I can tell you that.

Let me put it this way: The US is a shitty place to live for those without money.
 
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Every time I open the news, there's a racial problem. White cops shooting black kids, white cops shooting latino kids, then these same black and latino kids rioting and looting. The education system rates poorly on the international scale yet tuition fees are some of the most expensive you'll find. Complaints about nutrition and the shit they put into US products. The US debt. The justice system, the political lobbying, surveillance etc.

Sitting in the comfort of Europe, I wonder - has the US become a shitty place to live? Is it, perhaps, just the media focusing on the negative?
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Not at all.

1. There are certainly deep, underlying racial issues within the US. However, Europe isn't totally absolved from this. For instance, there was the anti-semitic incident in France where several Jews were killed at a grocery store. In the US, racial divides revolve around skin color. In Europe, it's more nationalistic. However, while there have been more race riots recently, life still goes on. I was in Baltimore during the time of the riots, and although I had to live with curfew for a week, life still went on as usual. The riots took place in a section of the city rather than consuming the entirety of it.

2. Because looting doesn't happen everywhere?

3. Our public education could use reforms and tuition is certainly out of control. However, our colleges still rank amongst the best in the world, and people from other parts of the world come over to attend our top universities. I thought I received a quality education, certainly. And tuition is high because more people are capable of attending college, so there is more competition for limited spots.

4. There's a movement now to take a lot of that out of our food, and I'm not totally sure Europe has been absolved from that.

5. Last I checked (and if you're just generalizing Europe), Greece is the most bankrupt country in the world right now and you all went through the same recession we did. We have a debt, but that hasn't stopped the US dollar from mostly catching up to the Euro. Many countries in Europe are in debt too.

6. Our justice system is pretty great, actually. You might not always agree with what the justices say, but that branch works the way it is supposed to (at least at the higher level).

7. So here's this article on lobbying. Seems like the EU has even less regulation than we do, and it's just as much a part of your governments. There's also the corrupt Greek government and I'm pretty sure there was a sex scandal involving the leader of Italy or France recently. Corruption is everywhere

8. Every country spies on every other country. The NSA just got caught. As for spying on other citizens, here's this out of Europe. Seems like you guys aren't too above that either. It's what is necessary sometimes though to keep people safe.

Ultimately, it comes down to this: no country is perfect. Most countries deal with the same problems, or they have their own issues in place of what other countries have. The US certainly isn't perfect, but looking at all of the bad things and generalizing that the US is a shitty place to live is ridiculous. There's plenty to see in the US, plenty to do, and commercialism and capitalism are kind of awesome sometimes. I enjoy our culture as well, mainly the entertainment side. From what I've heard from people who have gone to Europe to study abroad or live there, Europe is an amazing place (depending on the country). But none have said they wanted to go back there to live or work. I even know people who were born in Europe (Russia specifically) and left to find a better life in the US. So again, it depends on the country in Europe. But in summation, the US is still a great place to live. Don't generalize based on the news.
 
Baring the heavy dismissal of some very serious topics (surveillance), much yes.

I currently live in a city where there was a pretty HUGE public uproar over the police beating to death a homeless man a few years ago. There were accusations of corruption directed towards the city sheriff for his role in pardoning and/or protecting the perpetrating officers. Accusations of abuse of power. But curiously, no accusations of racism. Know why? Well some of the officers were latino, and the homeless man was white. So, if the perceived oppressed happen to be the oppressors, it's rather inconvenient to bring up that old sore, isn't it? Don't get me wrong, it would've been the same if the officers were ALL white. The point is, it's only blown out of proportion that there's a huge racial divide that leads to empowered white police officers killing powerless black civilians when a black person is killed by a white officer. Unfortunately, that happens. But so does the reverse... often. Only, for obvious reasons, the latter case is never as sensationalized.

Personally, I'm the type of individual who doesn't recognize authority, so the very IDEA of cowing to police is something I do not identify. I still don't get into major trouble with them, cause I'm THINKING, before I act. I approached an officer on the scene of a collision I was witness to, who was nervous by the crowd gathering around him, while I constantly showed my hands at all times, out in front of me, open, for him to know that I'm approaching him without any intent to harm. Is it cause I respect his authority? No. It's cause I have much more esteem for my well being than I do for a shallow gesture of "sticking it to the man". The sad truth that people need to accept is, at the end of the day, much of these people who get killed were belligerent assholes before they were gunned down. Did they deserve to die? FUCK NO! But they provoked a guy with a gun, and that's just stupid. In the case of that homeless man where I live, he suffered from mental illness, so his actions weren't entirely in his control. That's why I said much of these people, not all.

Was it because this person was black that he was killed, or was it because he falsely thought it was a good idea being obstinate and defiant of authority in a tumultuous time when police officers are very nervous about rioters and law breakers and being attacked for wearing a badge? Ehhhh... not as much column A and much more column B than you'd care to believe. IS there racism? Oh for sure. It's human nature to be xenophobic. Doesn't mean it's the cause or the primary problem. Cause... it isn't.
 
I had a friend who grew up in Detroit. He said every night before(?) Halloween, they'd have "Devil's Night", in which basically the entire city would riot, burn things down, and even a few dead bodies would show up after it was over, EVERY YEAR. He said he assumed that Devil's Night was something the entire country took part in, and was really surprised to hear that it was only a Michigan thing.
 
This guy asked random Americans to sign petition to support Obama's plans for pre-emptive nuclear strike on Russia. Those plans are fictional of course, but check out the results - Americans are signing without any hesitation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNr5czZKEdk#

Those good people don't realize that they're supporting hypothetical global thermonuclear war actually!
 
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