It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down.

[Someguy37]

Well the last one is an incredibly hard... for a child impossible.

Its also "impossible" for a child to lift a car up, by any amount, under any normal measure. But there have been verified cases of children doing it when under extreme duress, such as their parent getting trapped under the car, at least lifting it up enough for their parents to squeeze themselves out from under it.

Why can he still function properly? 200 years is a long time.

The same reason all ghouls, feral or not, have been able to function for hundreds of years after they should have logically died.

Radiation heals them, and their mutation gives them a constant regenerative effect that is enough to keep them alive, yet not enough to retain skin elasticity, resulting in the decayed nature they have.

In my seven dozen years studying the ghoul anatomy, I discover more and more evidence to support my theory on the nature of the not-radiological human, or "ghoul" as they are commonly called.

In summary: I theorize that our unnaturally long lifespan is due to a mutation within the autonomic nervous system of certain individuals following exposure to specific combinations of ionizing radiation with wavelengths below 10 picometers. This mutation, it seems, disrupts the normal process of decay in the neurotransmitters along the spinal cord.

Specifically, the transmitters effected are those responsible for cardiac and respiratory function in a healthy human. According to my studies, these transmitters are continually regenerated after mutation, carrying sufficient oxygen to sustain the life of the subject while being insufficient to retain skin elasticity and avoid necrosis, the result of which is the corpse-like appearance of post-mutation humans. It should be noted that exposure to radiation typically result in sickness followed by death and the x-factor that will lead to mutation upon exposure in lieu of the typical outcome remains unknown to this researcher.

 

[omegaspruz]

Why can he still function properly? 200 years is a long time.

The same reason all ghouls, feral or not, have been able to function for hundreds of years after they should have logically died.

Radiation heals them, and their mutation gives them a constant regenerative effect that is enough to keep them alive, yet not enough to retain skin elasticity, resulting in the decayed nature they have.

Well I meant in a sense of his muscles working properly and him being socially ok with what has happened. Shouting for help for 200 years? I guess it can be argued, but why would you even write it? You want a child trapped in a refrigerator go with children escaping from Gunners and one of them locked himself in a fridge. Their parents ask you to find their kid who has been missing for a week(maybe month). You open the fridge, it is revealed that the kid turned into a ghoul as well, if you want it, because the fridge is in a radioactive place. There you go, something which references the problem and is a lot more believable and adds some drama as to how a child ghoul will fit in into the world.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

Well the last one is an incredibly hard... for a child impossible. That's how they train astronauts by locking them in one room for prolonged periods of times. Its hard, and not everybody can do it, not a child, especially after the horror that he just turned into a zombie like being. Why can he still function properly? 200 years is a long time. Single handedly this is the thing I hate most about fallout now...

Even if you somehow explain away how he survived in the refrigerator 200 years without OXYGEN, FOOD, WATER, etc. that quest was still unbearably AWFUL every step after that.

Bethesda has already stated they don't care how to explain this. See Pete Hines' response: "I'm not interested..." I posted elsewhere.

 

[Someguy37]

Well I meant in a sense of his muscles working properly and him being socially ok with what has happened. Shouting for help for 200 years? I guess it can be argued, but why would you even write it? You want a child trapped in a refrigerator go with children escaping from Gunners and one of them locked himself in a fridge. Their parents ask you to find their kid who has been missing for a week(maybe month). You open the fridge, it is revealed that the kid turned into a ghoul as well, if you want it, because the fridge is in a radioactive place. There you go, something which references the problem and is a lot more believable and adds some drama as to how a child ghoul will fit in into the world.

I doubt he shouted for 200 years straight. He would have likely given up after a few days, and just stayed there until he heard you walk by.

And that wouldn't explain how the kid transformed into a ghoul in the first place. There isn't enough radiation in the area to ghoulify him by normal means, and instant ghoulfication only happen in extreme cases like Searchlight or Moria, when people get exposed to a nuke's worth of radiation instantly. Which would require him be around when the bombs dropped to ghoulify that fast.

OXYGEN.

As has been stated before, the refrigerator is not air tight.

If you go back and look at it after its reset, there is a very large, visible gap between the door and the rest of the fridge

 

[Walpknut]

Fridges are airtight by design, is kind of the point of the latch.... no idea where it was "stated" at all, other than you making stuff up and acting like it's a fact.

 

[GlowHound]

So why do the Ghouls in Necropolis all die if the Vault Dweller doesn't repair their water pump? Why don't they just go eat more radiation?

 

[omegaspruz]

Well I meant in a sense of his muscles working properly and him being socially ok with what has happened. Shouting for help for 200 years? I guess it can be argued, but why would you even write it? You want a child trapped in a refrigerator go with children escaping from Gunners and one of them locked himself in a fridge. Their parents ask you to find their kid who has been missing for a week(maybe month). You open the fridge, it is revealed that the kid turned into a ghoul as well, if you want it, because the fridge is in a radioactive place. There you go, something which references the problem and is a lot more believable and adds some drama as to how a child ghoul will fit in into the world.

I doubt he shouted for 200 years straight. He would have likely given up after a few days, and just stayed there until he heard you walk by.

And that wouldn't explain how the kid transformed into a ghoul in the first place. There isn't enough radiation in the area to ghoulify him by normal means, and instant ghoulfication only happen in extreme cases like Searchlight or Moria, when people get exposed to a nuke's worth of radiation instantly. Which would require him be around when the bombs dropped to ghoulify that fast.

If you are changing one aspect might as well change the other so that there is enough radiation, I mean the fridge is relatively close to the glowing sea. Just some ideas.
Or have him as a normal child.
I am not sure whether this is commentary or a joke or what the purpose of this quest is, so any rational explanation would do fine.

 

[Riven326]

It's sort of odd to me that what gets people upset at Bethesda is not the poor writing and characterization, the lack of meaningful choice and consequence, the extreme linearity of their plot lines (as an aside, likely the thing Bethesda does best is to convince people that their linear bits are not as such), and the complete disaster that is the conversation wheel so much as that the graphics aren't what were promised.

I mean, I could hardly care less about graphics or framerate as long as it doesn't actively detract from gameplay (e.g. it's nearly impossible to tell what's going on)...

Yeah, I felt the same way when reading the responses on various forums.

 

[Kilus]

So why do the Ghouls in Necropolis all die if the Vault Dweller doesn't repair their water pump? Why don't they just go eat more radiation?

Not enough fridges.

 

[Someguy37]

Yes guys, 100% airtight... mind the gap

So why do the Ghouls in Necropolis all die if the Vault Dweller doesn't repair their water pump? Why don't they just go eat more radiation?

Same reason Dean Domino keeps eating despite claiming he doesn't know if he has to eat.... most ghouls have no fucking idea how their own physiology works even after being ghouls for 200 years.

 

[RangerBoo]

So how come he wasn't able to get himself out of the fridge then? Why wait 200+ years for you to free him? This quest design is stupid and I can't believe you are sticking up for it.

 

[Someguy37]

So how come he wasn't able to get himself out of the fridge then? Why wait 200+ years for you to free him? This quest design is stupid and I can't believe you are sticking up for it.

Because the gap isn't large enough for him to stick his hand out and undo the latch...

I swear, do you people even fucking think about these questions before you ask them?

Its a stupid quest but holy shit, you people are acting beyond retarded about basic aspects of the lore, and are asking some of THE most retarded questions I have seen someone ask outside of reddit.

 

[omegaspruz]

Its not that. Its just when something is bad, the bad parts stick out. I mean Pacific Rim has problems, but they do not detract from my enjoyment of the movie. This quest, seems so implausible. And I liked most of the quests I came across in Fallout 4. He would have died or killed himself over 200 YEARS. That's a lot and I mean a lot of time. I don't think if questions such as why he get himself out is retarded. There should have been other people over the years and he could have shouted at them for help and so on and on. I dunno, that's just very stupid thing to make up. But its fallout, and fallout is whacky...right?

 

[Irwin John Finster]

So why do the Ghouls in Necropolis all die if the Vault Dweller doesn't repair their water pump? Why don't they just go eat more radiation?

I too would like an answer to this.

 

[Someguy37]

>its implausible that a ghoul, which are known to be healed by radiation, stayed alive by being healed by radiation.
The literal ghost in Fallout 2 was more implausible then this. Ghost People from Dead Money are more implausible then this.

Also, how could he kill himself, he couldn't move.

I too would like an answer to this.

Already answered. Ghouls have no idea how their own physiology works.

Even in Fallout 2, 160 years after the war, ghouls were acting weirded out by the fact that the radiation from the GECKO nuclear power plant "made them feel warm inside". They STILL didn't know radiation healed them even after being ghouls for 160 years.

Dean Dominio in Dead Money also questions if he has to eat to stay alive. He literally doesn't know if he has to eat anymore, and simply does it out of the belief that he does. Despite the fact hes been a ghoul for two centuries, he has no clue if he needs to eat.

 

[GlowHound]

"Because radiation" is also insanely lazy as shit writing and justification.

 

[RangerBoo]

So how come he wasn't able to get himself out of the fridge then? Why wait 200+ years for you to free him? This quest design is stupid and I can't believe you are sticking up for it.

Because the gap isn't large enough for him to stick his hand out and undo the latch...

I swear, do you people even fucking think about these questions before you ask them?

Its a stupid quest but holy shit, you people are acting beyond retarded about basic aspects of the lore, and are asking some of THE most retarded questions I have seen someone ask outside of reddit.

What lore? Bethesda motto with Fallout 4 is the same as the motto to Death Race 3, "Fuck logic!" This quest makes no sense. How was the kid able to survive for so long without food, water, and social contact. Plus I would think that his muscles would be absolutely useless after staying in one place for over 200+ years! But if living in your own little deluded world helps you sleep at night and makes you feel like a mental giant then more power to you but to those of us with more the 1/4 of a brain will humbly disagree with you.

 

[Walpknut]

Only thingthat proves is that the person in charge of that prop is incompetent, probably had to be rendered with that gap because otherwise the openning animation wouldn't play properly. But taking that mode into account, With that huge gap, then how did the fridge remain locked for 200 years then?

They also have a settlment run by ghouls and they need food and water to survive so even this game says that they need those.

Ghost People more implausible than this? They are mutants trapped in hazmat suits, I don't see how they can even compare to a kid surviving in a fridge with no oxygen or food for 200 years.

We can always turst Someguy37 to defend even the stupidest aspects of Fallout 4 by senselessly deflecting criticisim and makign stupid points.

 

[MercenarySnake]

Unless he had a secret compartment that led to a secret basement with enough food ,water, and entertainment to last over 200 years in that fridge I'm still going to ask..What did he EAT, DRINK, and DO for 200 years?

 

[Someguy37]

"Because radiation" is also insanely lazy as shit writing and justification.

And the Ghost People in Dead Money, who literally can't eat or shit, due to being trapped in their suit, exist only "Because the Cloud"

But let me guess... its ok when Obsidian does it?

I mean literally, the whole basis of Fallout is "because radiation"
-Why do cows have two heads? Because radiation
-Why did some people turn into zombie looking thing? Because radiation
-Why did some animals mutate to sizes 100 times larger then their original? Because radiation.
-Why does FEV not work correctly on most people? Because radiation

Literally half the shit in the originals was explained by "because radiation", its literally the premise of the series due to it being tied to shitty 1950's sicfi b-movies plots about atomic war causing all sort of impossible stuff.