It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down.

[Dr Fallout]

Okay, nice strawmen. We're not talking about cars that aren't even living, we're talking about FUCKING GHOULS who need water to survive, as said by Ghouls and the ending of Necropolis. How can the ghoul kid survive for 200 hundred years without water when we know they need it? Your argument has literally no basis, and the strongest you can do is put up a car?

Except
A. We don't know ghouls NEED water the survive, only that the ghouls of necropolis died to a lack of water that likely resulted in them not knowing that radiation heals them.

B. As has been pointed out before, the door to the refrigerator isn't properly sealed, and has a fairly large gap in it, which is why his voice can come out, and why he had air to breath. Are you really so fucking thick skulled you dont understand that gap = water can get into the fridge. Its not like Boston is like D.C. or the Mojave, where it never rains ever.

Once again, you manage to prove the Internet's stereotype of NMA right.

A) Ugh... they die of dehydration. This isn't said by some biased nobody, it's said by an impartial narrator, who knows what he says. Ghouls need water, why else did Set and the ghouls keep saying how important the water chip is? It says they died of DEHYDRATION so they died of DEHYDRATION, or is that too smart for you?

B) So we have to belief that this kid survived on a fickle water source for 200 years. It's not like this kid got water every fucking day of the year. You expect that maybe, just maybe there would be a week, at least a week of no rain? Hmm funny, last time I heard no water in two days can kill you!

 

[Someguy37]

Dude you are the one who is going around and twisting facts in order to have them fit your beliefs and personally attacking and insulting people here. You are nothing but a irrational fanboy who we have tolerated long enough. You maybe the biggest idiot and blowhard I have ever come across on here.

>Pointing out that 3 games have shown ghouls alive, in areas that are without food, and that have been locked for 200 years, is twisting facts.
>Pointing out that ghouls are known to be healed by radiation is twisting facts.
>Pointing out that the fridge has a gap for him to breathe is twisting facts.
>Pointing out that ghouls in both Fallout 2 and New Vegas are shown to not really understand how their own bodies work, despite being ghouls for 160-200 years, is twisting facts.
>Pointing out that this lack of knowledge could very easily had led to their deaths in Fallout 1 is twisting facts.
>Pointing out that the gap in the fridge would have realistically let water in for him to drink is twisting facts.
Yep, so many facts being twists.

A) Ugh... they die of dehydration. This isn't said by some biased nobody, it's said by an impartial narrator, who knows what he says. Ghouls need water, why else did Set and the ghouls keep saying how important the water chip is? It says they died of DEHYDRATION so they died of DEHYDRATION, or is that too smart for you?

And again, you can die of dehydration, but not need water to live. Many things, both living and not, can sustain themselves through alternate sources of energy, and not knowing that you can sustain yourself some other way can lead to death.

Ghouls are quasi-immortal beings, who have been shown to be able to have their limbs be severed, and then put back on and healed back to normal in no time, because of the regenerative powers their mutations give them. The idea that a ghoul body couldn't constantly repair itself via radiation exposure flies in the face of every Fallout game.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

I personally like the video Dr. Fallout posted by MrBtongue titled "The Shandification of Fallout" because it was very good at explaining that answering the simple question "What do they eat?" may seem nit-picky and detailed, but it is thinking about those details that give a fictional universe depth. So when Pete Hines says he's not interested in explaining Kid in the Fridge because Fallout "has talking mutants and ghouls" so it does not have to make any sense, it shows a lack of effort and care for maintaining the Fallout universe. In other words, Kid in the Fridge shows that the writers do not care about "Shandifying" Fallout and do not care about the lore.

Samyoul Online, in his video "The Elder Scrolls: The Dumbing Down" made a similar point regarding the nonsensical writing contradicting established lore - particularly with the interaction of vampires and werewolves in Skyrim. He too said "Bethesda doesn't care about the lore."

I'm not trying to say Bethesda doesn't care about the lore like he did, because I respect a lot of what Bethesda has put out in the past, but I also cannot ignore the fact that a top executive proves Samyoul Online's point with such a comment regarding Kid in the Fridge. It shows that the writers are not so good at creating fictional universes as the writers for New Vegas, or Witcher 3, or Pillars of Eternity, or Wasteland 2, and so on and so forth. This lack of care is apparent to those of us who really dive into these universes and end up thinking about the game world even after we've put the game down and are doing something else. And to me, it is a sign of a great fictional universe when you find yourself thinking about it when you are not playing the game. I do get that with Fallout 4, but Kid in the Fridge is something I'd rather pretend was never there.

Fallout New Vegas offered the "Wacky Wasteland" perk/trait and it's jokes were quite well done. It had Indiana Jones dead in a refrigerator, referencing the most recent film. It had Monty Python references cleverly placed where they were definitely there but not in your face asking you to take it serious as a serious part of the story. With Kid in the Fridge, it is like they actually want you to be emotionally involved with such an absurd story. It's not wacky in the way New Vegas was, it's just careless and bad.

 

[Crni Vuk]

I think, it is even worse, because honestly, I believe they probably could deliver the quality and all the complexity and good stuff.

But they actually chose not to. I like to think that they just don't know it better. But honestly, deep down I think Gizmo is right. They are fully aware about it, and they do it all on purpose. Why? Because they know that it sells. They know that this complexity and the kind of quality we like in the old Fallout games, might hurt their sales.

They don't care about Fallout or the Elder Scrolls really, I am sure their target is to make a fun game, no doubt about it. But I believe their first priority is to sell it to as many people as possible.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

I think, it is even worse, because honestly, I believe they probably could deliver the quality and all the complexity and good stuff.

But they actually chose not to. I like to think that they just don't know it better. But honestly, deep down I think Gizmo is right. They are fully aware about it, and they do it all on purpose. Why? Because they know that it sells. They know that this complexcity and quality we like, might hurt their sales. They don't care about Fallout or the Elder Scrolls really, I am sure their target is to make a fun game, no doubt about it. But I believe their first priority is to sell it to as many people as possible.

I agree. I think it was a decision made to write the game this stupidly. That's ok for Borderlands, but not for Fallout.

 

[Dr Fallout]

I think, it is even worse, because honestly, I believe they probably could deliver the quality and all the complexity and good stuff.

But they actually chose not to. I like to think that they just don't know it better. But honestly, deep down I think Gizmo is right. They are fully aware about it, and they do it all on purpose. Why? Because they know that it sells. They know that this complexity and the kind of quality we like in the old Fallout games, might hurt their sales.

They don't care about Fallout or the Elder Scrolls really, I am sure their target is to make a fun game, no doubt about it. But I believe their first priority is to sell it to as many people as possible.

It's not evil, they are meant to do that, but it's still sad that they waste artistic talent on the aim to get money.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

And again, you can die of dehydration, but not need water to live. Many things, both living and not, can sustain themselves through alternate sources of energy, and not knowing that you can sustain yourself some other way can lead to death.

1) How can you die of dehydration but not need water to live?
2) There is no known organism, on planet Earth anyway, that can survive without water regardless of "alternate sources of energy" you are referring to. So unless you want to just say ancient aliens from Cabot House created ghouls I'm not sure I understand. And before you Google search some little known bacterium that might not need water for a few years, I encourage you to remember it still needs water to live and it's a bacterium and not a person.

 

[omegaspruz]

Uh I dread the moment I find Cabot House... Mothership Zeta was fine, but it was a 50s thing... now ancient aliens.... that's a different beast entirely

 

[Dr Fallout]

And again, you can die of dehydration, but not need water to live. Many things, both living and not, can sustain themselves through alternate sources of energy, and not knowing that you can sustain yourself some other way can lead to death.

1) How can you die of dehydration but not need water to live?
2) There is no known organism, on planet Earth anyway, that can survive without water regardless of "alternate sources of energy" you are referring to. So unless you want to just say ancient aliens from Cabot House created ghouls I'm not sure I understand. And before you Google search some little known bacterium that might not need water for a few years, I encourage you to remember it still needs water to live and it's a bacterium and not a person.

Good show! I have to make a question, what kind of alternate energies are these?

 

[Irwin John Finster]

Uh I dread the moment I find Cabot House... Mothership Zeta was fine, but it was a 50s thing... now ancient aliens.... that's a different beast entirely

As I said in other threads I enjoyed Mothership Zeta. It was the right kind of wacky. And I disagree that there is anything, even the cut content, that definitively says Aliens started the Great War, so for me the lore is in tact.

Cabot House wasn't wacky, it was meant to be taken seriously and as such is a C-grade sci-fi story at best. And if it was meant to be wacky, it failed tremendously.

 

[Dr Fallout]

Uh I dread the moment I find Cabot House... Mothership Zeta was fine, but it was a 50s thing... now ancient aliens.... that's a different beast entirely

As I said in other threads I enjoyed Mothership Zeta. It was the right kind of wacky. And I disagree that there is anything, even the cut content, that definitively says Aliens started the Great War, so for me the lore is in tact.

Cabot House wasn't wacky, it was meant to be taken seriously and as such is a C-grade sci-fi story at best. And if it was meant to be wacky, it failed tremendously.

Just turn off your brain.

 

[RangerBoo]

Uh I dread the moment I find Cabot House... Mothership Zeta was fine, but it was a 50s thing... now ancient aliens.... that's a different beast entirely

As I said in other threads I enjoyed Mothership Zeta. It was the right kind of wacky. And I disagree that there is anything, even the cut content, that definitively says Aliens started the Great War, so for me the lore is in tact.

Cabot House wasn't wacky, it was meant to be taken seriously and as such is a C-grade sci-fi story at best. And if it was meant to be wacky, it failed tremendously.

Just turn off your brain.

But with Fallout 4 you have to turn your brain off through out your entire time playing it and that is the problem.

 

[zegh8578]

But with Fallout 4 you have to turn your brain off through out your entire time playing it and that is the problem.

There was a moment where I really tried
On my way somewhere, I saw a flaming vertibird, mutants, raiders, the whole shebang, and my first instinct was to want to sigh deeply - and lament that I cannot even run for half a minute, without some "epic shit" unfolding around me

But I was tired of being pissed off, it begins to hurt my temples, blood pressure rising, I tried to just... "whoa... look at all that epic shit :0", I tried so hard, I tried to imagine if it was ANY other game, like "here, try this game, Epic Shit II, its full of exploding stuff!!!", and I almost managed to lull myself into the illusion, but then, such a game would simply not be my cup of tea in the first place

 

[Irwin John Finster]

If it proves they died of dehydration it proves they need water. You have no argument which is why keep resorting to personal attacks.

>a car stopped functioning because it ran out of gas.
>This proves that cars NEED gas to run, and that theres literally absolutely no other means by which you could have powered the car beyond gas.
Please tell me you don't actually believe that, because if you do, that's sad.

How can you die of dehydration but not need water to live?

 

[Kilus]

And again, you can die of dehydration, but not need water to live. Many things, both living and not, can sustain themselves through alternate sources of energy, and not knowing that you can sustain yourself some other way can lead to death.

1) How can you die of dehydration but not need water to live?
2) There is no known organism, on planet Earth anyway, that can survive without water regardless of "alternate sources of energy" you are referring to. So unless you want to just say ancient aliens from Cabot House created ghouls I'm not sure I understand. And before you Google search some little known bacterium that might not need water for a few years, I encourage you to remember it still needs water to live and it's a bacterium and not a person.

Good show! I have to make a question, what kind of alternate energies are these?

Sometime sheer stupidity gives people the energy to carry on no matter how poorly their arguments are. It gives them the energy to believe that when no one can see their arguments obviously their opponents must have mental deficiencies.

 

[LiveOnTheEdge]

Dude you are the one who is going around and twisting facts in order to have them fit your beliefs and personally attacking and insulting people here. You are nothing but a irrational fanboy who we have tolerated long enough. You maybe the biggest idiot and blowhard I have ever come across on here.

I'd like to point out the slight irony here of somebody telling somebody else that they are the one that's going around attacking and insulting people, and then going right on in the same breath to insult and attack that person that they're making those claims against.

 

[Banestalker]

Uh I dread the moment I find Cabot House... Mothership Zeta was fine, but it was a 50s thing... now ancient aliens.... that's a different beast entirely

As I said in other threads I enjoyed Mothership Zeta. It was the right kind of wacky. And I disagree that there is anything, even the cut content, that definitively says Aliens started the Great War, so for me the lore is in tact.

Cabot House wasn't wacky, it was meant to be taken seriously and as such is a C-grade sci-fi story at best. And if it was meant to be wacky, it failed tremendously.

you know whats wacky and cool at the same time? answeing "donut" repeatedly while a bounty hunter asks you what you want from him and piss him off.

 

[kelveen]

Anybody else enjoying seeing Someguy37 slowly lose it?

He makes up for some entertainment reading. Its almost #2 material.

 

[RangerBoo]

Dude you are the one who is going around and twisting facts in order to have them fit your beliefs and personally attacking and insulting people here. You are nothing but a irrational fanboy who we have tolerated long enough. You maybe the biggest idiot and blowhard I have ever come across on here.

I'd like to point out the slight irony here of somebody telling somebody else that they are the one that's going around attacking and insulting people, and then going right on in the same breath to insult and attack that person that they're making those claims against.

Have you not read his previous post? He has done nothing but gone on a foaming of the mouth rant and has called people autistic as well as personally attack other users here. He has it coming and my patience for him has worn thin.

 

[LiveOnTheEdge]

Dude you are the one who is going around and twisting facts in order to have them fit your beliefs and personally attacking and insulting people here. You are nothing but a irrational fanboy who we have tolerated long enough. You maybe the biggest idiot and blowhard I have ever come across on here.

I'd like to point out the slight irony here of somebody telling somebody else that they are the one that's going around attacking and insulting people, and then going right on in the same breath to insult and attack that person that they're making those claims against.

Have you not read his previous post? He has done nothing but gone on a foaming of the mouth rant and has called people autistic as well as personally attack other users here. He has it coming and my patience for him has worn thin.

But it's still ironic either way to be calling somebody out for making insults, and then make insults of your own in the very same post. And kind of counterproductive too, right?
So I was just remarking on that.