It's again that time of the year ... or Muslim bashing!

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Crni Vuk, Jul 16, 2016.

  1. Throatpunch

    Throatpunch Banned

    Apr 14, 2016
    It is related because we are discussing Germany and a terror attack there. We are also discussing Islamic terror.
    Every gun control thread made or every thread derailed with gun control stuff has been vatted. Nobody wants this vatting. Now don't be a dick and discuss gun control on the gun control thread, not the thread everyone else is using.
     
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  2. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    By that logic Gun Control is also related. Having a population that owned personal firearms could have prevented many of these terrorist attacks and is a something to consider when talking about combating large scale attacks like these AND the issue of Gun laws is important when discussing Islamic terror because theres the subject of how these terrorists got the guns into such an anti-gun country.
    I've been talking about Islamic terror since the very first page and continuously for about 17 pages now. Don't suddenly come in here with your snark and wannabe moderator attitude and start barking orders at people. It makes you look like a cunt and I was more than willing to drop the subject until you started making demands like you have some kind of authority. If I moderator comes along and asks me to reel it in I'd be more than happy to oblige but you don't tell me what and where I post.
     
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  3. Izak

    Izak I Shot The ALBATROSS

    Jan 29, 2016
    Haven't heard of that until now, 89 people died in it.
     
  4. Throatpunch

    Throatpunch Banned

    Apr 14, 2016
    And what did I say? How many gun control threads have been vatted. Whats that? All of them.
    Fine, I'll ask politely. Please go discuss gun control on the thread called gun control.
     
  5. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    Well then it's a good thing this isn't a gun control thread.
    Whose talkin about Gun Control here? I'm tryina discuss Bataclan with Izak over here. Anyway:
    Yea I checked and they revised the death toll down from like 129 to 89. It's hard to keep up with that one because it's sometimes referred to "that attack in Paris" which then get's confused with that other attack in Paris. It's pretty depressing that Paris is such a hotbed of terrorism that you can get confused on which attack someone's talking about.
     
  6. Buxbaum666

    Buxbaum666 Heterostructured Nanorod oTO Orderite

    Dec 5, 2003
    Crimes of passion are not exclusive to non-refugees, who would've thought.

    Police has found no connection to Islam at all. The dude was depressed and had been studying other killing sprees for quite a while. There are several parallels to the Breivik rampage.

    A random drunk guy pulling a knife on a train? Damn, you're reaching.

    How is this case connected to the previous three? That's right, it isn't. You're trying to construct a pattern where none exists.

    Prosecuting people who condone the burning of refugee shelters and killing foreigners is authoritarianism? It's about stopping propaganda that incites people to terrorize others and that's as dangerous as anything ISIS puts out to radicalize people.

    And if the AfD isn't far-right, who is? They think being gay is a choice and talking too much about gay people or showing them on TV creates more gay people* so it has to stop. They're so far-right that "less-right" members keep splitting off or leaving altogether, citing increased islamo-/xenophobia and antisemitism. Thereby further enstrengthening (is that a word) the far-right core. They keep trying to distinguish themselves from outright neonazis but there are still members who have ties to the extremist scene.


    *Disclaimer: This is an assumption based on parts of their party platform that focus on gays. They want to stop people from learning about non-heterosexual people, claiming they are currently overrepresented and this is somehow endangering "traditional" families.
     
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  7. The Lonesome Drifter

    The Lonesome Drifter First time out of the vault

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    Jul 16, 2016
    News from the press conference with the mayor of Ansbach:

    • The explosion happened before the entrance of the venue
    • 1 dead, 10 injured, but no life threatening injuries
    • It's been confirmed it was NOT a gas explosion, but caused by an explosive device
    • 2000 persons attended the event and have been evacuated

    https://twitter.com/AP/status/757361122961944576

    • Police are currently assuming the 1 person killed is the assailant
    • Bavarian Interior Minister and police are expected to hold a press conference at 1am GMT

    From the second press conference:

    • Suicide bomber is a 27-year-old Syrian who had been treated at a psychiatric hospital for trying to commit suicide twice
    • The man was known to police due to drug-related crimes
    • The man's asylum request had been denied a year ago, but he had a temporary permit to stay
    • Police say they cannot yet confirm that the man intended to kill others with him, while the Interior Minister says he's considering it very likely it was an Islamist suicide bombing attack.
    Gotta love the appreciation. A Country invites your people in and away from the horrors of war caused by others and their good deeds are repaid with death and destruction. If you invite a homeless man to live in your house you shouldn't be surprised when he shits on your carpet, steals your alcohol and kicks your children.

     
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  8. The Lonesome Drifter

    The Lonesome Drifter First time out of the vault

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    Jul 16, 2016
    Candles, flags, memorials, hashtags... and wait for the next attack. Wait for the next group of dead French children run over by trucks, or mass sexual assaults against women at festivals.

    Anything but admit that this isn't working.

    The only two explanations are that European governments are so completely retarded that they believe importing millions of people from the worst paces in the world will make their own countries BETTER...or that they hate their own citizens.

    I can't fathom how people who advance to such high positions could be so retarded so the only logical answer is that they hate their own Citizens.

    Gee, why did the brits vote to leave again? Seems like maybe the Hungarians have the right idea.
     
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  9. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    Because they are racist. well that is what the news has been telling me.

    Kinda like how some self-hating Europeans told me France has this coming because of "the hundreds of years of colonial rule and oppression in Africa"

    Yep people deserve to die today because of things that happened in a Imaginary timeline hundreds of years ago.
     
  10. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    "Imaginary timeline"? So colonialism didn't happen? Huh.
    I mean, not that it's an excuse for terrorism today, but outright denying it? Napoleon III would kick your arse for besmirching his glorious empire.
     
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  11. Throatpunch

    Throatpunch Banned

    Apr 14, 2016
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  12. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    Oh it happened. It wasn't "hundreds of years". in some places it wasn't even 90.
     
  13. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    And you guys are surprised when someone compares this kind of rhetoric to fascism, extremism and the nazis?
    So they are already parasites for you. Good to know. But I already realized that some people here would be in favour of mass genocides.

    Of course I can't be sure, but I think there is a lot of alertness right now. And it's fucking summer. There is always more crime, violence in the nice seasons as there are more people in the open, more events and the like. Point is, I use the subway almost every day, and each day I come agross a small box with the news papers. And pretty much every third or fourth day I see a head line about someone who got raped, stabbed or beaten or what ever. That's simply Munich. A big city. A lot of things simply happen with 1,3 million. I don't want to know how many people die on drugs and drug related violence in Berlin. Yet. You never hear about it here and it definetly doesn't make the evening news in the US. Because no one cares. Maybe there is more violence. Or maybe there is just more attention to everything viollent that happens right now. I don't know it. But I am willing to wait and see. that's why we have crime statistics. Jumping to conclussion won't help anyone.
    I mean, I went to work today, I did my job, I returned home, and now I am sitting at my laptop. Munich is still here. Germany is still here. And I am still feeling as save like before that friday.

    It's summer. A lot of people are out in the open. I know this sounds silly, but I think the weather makes people a bit ... crazy right now. It's fucking hot, but it rains every second day. People are irritated. And just as I write this ... it rains again. The fuck.
    Even I feel like I want to punch someone in the face when I am using the Subway while it's full of people, and you know it when someone's not shovering regularly ... I mean not long ago an old fart was screaming around and yelling at everyone because the window was just slighly open. Or something. No clue.
    Thing is, you should see the crime statistics when the Octoberfest is around ... one of the shittiest years to be a resident of downtown Munich. Drunk tourists on every corner and puking and throwing their shit around. And Munich is a very pecuilar location. It is one of the largest cities in Germany, but it feels and looks more like a village really. A huge village with lots of old buildings. But still kinda rural. There are not many tall buildings and it is a very flat city. If you go to Frankfurt, things look very different as Frankfurt is one of the financial hubs of Germany full with banks and insurance companies, one sky scraper after another. And Munich is also the cleanest city in Germany, as far as I know. And downtown has a lot of police officers patroling.

    Is there more viollence right now? We have to wait and see till we get some official statistics.

    Have you ever heard about proportionality? The things that happen right now, are terrible. But last year 3475 people died in car accidents. That's almost 10 people per day.
    between 2012 and 2013 according to the Robert-Koch-Institut more then 20 000 people died on influenza!

    Between 820 000 and 850 000 people die in Germany, each year. Number one reason, cardiac failure, second reason cancer, after that respiratory ailments and gastro-intestinal diseases. And we havn't even talked about how many people die in hospitals because of infections or diseases that really can only get in hospitals. And yet. One psycho kills 9 people at a Mc Donalds and commits suicide with his own gun. And it makes the evening news for months and starts a discussion if ego shootes and social networks kill people.

    I mean I don't see you talking about the deaths of 19 000 Germans in 2014 due to medical mal practise in hospitals. Sometimes it's really good thing, to look at statistics and to remember what the most likely reasons for deaths are. Terrorism, is usually never on top in nations like Germany. Yet it is seeing a large amount of attention and resources.
     
  14. The Lonesome Drifter

    The Lonesome Drifter First time out of the vault

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    Jul 16, 2016

    Because these deaths could have been avoided, thats why. Sure people die in car accidents, but its not like Islamic terrorist attacks were extremely common before. (If you ignore the hundreds of years Islamic rulers have tried to invade Europe, and the rest of the world, wherever Islam goes there's death and destruction)

    Don't care really, at this moment i'm more worried about Europe than being called names. I'll be voting for ''far-right'' parties and do my best to ensure they stay out, no name calling will prevent me from doing that.
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  15. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    How? Deporting someone who was born in Germany, living here for 18 years, and pretty much living more or less a normal live?

    How do you protect your self from people doing crazy shit. I would like to hear your whisdom on that.

    You understand that the Identarian movement is a right wing radical movement? Who also displays hate against jews.

    You and the radicals, really deserve each other.



    What will you do once those far right wing parties decide to go for your rights as well?



     
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  16. Throatpunch

    Throatpunch Banned

    Apr 14, 2016
    To say you identify as a progressive you are pretty intolerant of other people's views.
     
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  17. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Isn't that par for the course for the progressives these days? There's a reason the term "regressive left" is becoming en vouge.
     
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  18. The Lonesome Drifter

    The Lonesome Drifter First time out of the vault

    32
    Jul 16, 2016
    Lol you actually perfectly described the Munich shooter! But Yeah sure, why not. Deport them ;)

    Bruh... Defend myself? Keeping a distance from the crazy person?

    Don't care.

    Guess i won't be hanging out with them in the future.

    Wich ones? As long as i get to eat bacon, fuck whoever i want with my head attached to my body, and not be forced to belive in medival fairy tales im happy.

    Also living in a society filled with mostly members of my own ethnicity sharing the same cultural values is a nice plus.

    Thanks :clap:

    But it much rather avoid those radicals, i heard theyr prophets a pedo.
     
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  19. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Yeah, that was kinda the point.

    If you believe the neonazi movements will tolerate homosexuality, you're gonna have a bad time.
    They might not kill you for it... But on the other hand they do love the death penalty, so don't expect too much friendliness.
     
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  20. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I am not sure if I identified my self as anything here. I agree with a lot of ideals and ideas from the liberal left. But I don't consider my self left. Or maybe I am left? If left means today, that you don't call people parasites and judge them as individualy and not because they are Syrian or Muslims and want to share your wealth, if possible. Then yeah, I am probably left. Also, I never said that I tolerate every opinion. I don't see why I have to. Either in a forum, nor in real live. I have to accept that some people hold views that I disagree with, and there is nothing I can do to change their mind. But I don't have to tolerate their views. If they don't like this debate, they can always feel free to ignore it and not care about it. Everyone who decided to posted in this topic made a conscious decisions to do it, or so I hope!

    As what would you describe him? The guy apparantly had psychological issues, but as far as I am aware he had no criminal record of any kind. With the exception that he was once the victim of violence and theft. His neighbours, from what I can read in the news, describe him as someone who was quite and friendly.

    So, do we want to look up all people that have depressions now? Or which are suicidal? Or only those with brown colour maybe? Or only if they have Arabian parents? What is your solution to prevent something like in Munich to happen again?

    Yes, I recomed at least an arms length of distance to every crazy person. How do you recogize a crazy person who's pulling a gun out of his jacket and starts shooting everyone in his reach?

    What ever right wing party you have in your nation.

    Ah yeah! If it only worked like that. As Hass already said, if you're a homosexual you might already run in to issues. That is the problem with restrictions and surveilance. It can be very difficult to get it out of the system if you don't need it anymore or if it actually harms your own rights. Even if you don't realize it.
    You might be voting the far right or extreme right (or what ever populist group you like ...) because of the hope that they will lower migration and the number of muslims or what ever. But even if they do that, they will come with a lot of more ideas and agendas. Many of which you might not enjoy so much. Which party would you vote? Have you taken a look into their party manifesto? Or do you only read their posters.