Logically the Enclave still have to be around.

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Quagmire69

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The Enclave logically has to still be around. I mean really how could they have launched a large scale invasion of the capital wasteland without bases and production facilities. Their not a roving army like CL. Raven Rock and Adams don't count. Those are forward bases with no production facilities and no civilians. Think of the logistics that it would take to keep the mobile crawly running. They are only a handful of enclave women, logically have some vault or base where they all are. In NV EDE had information on Enclave bases in Chicago. The Enclave also represents the pre war government and is a plot device for the discussing the great war, thiel be back.
 
God I hope not.
They played their role, they are done.

This is not freaking Star Wars with Imperial warlords and the Remnant forces everywhere.

Please, give up this damn obsession for the Enclave.
Fallout does not revolve around the Enclave, they are a part of it yes, but they are not the focus.
 
ugh, enough with the Enclave already. It's really time to come up with a new faction to fight against. I'd rather see the Fallout series die than play another game where you have to stop the Enclave from killing people with FEV.

As for ED-E, the scientist who built him didn't know that the West coast Enclave had been destroyed.
 
What is with people and the Enclave? Really.

The Enclave needs to just die out or integrate into various wasteland in my opinion. They served no really purpose other than the be the big bad EVIL faction who's goal is to stop the holy and righteous holy knights of the Brotherhood from protecting the "innocent" wastelanders. The fact that ED-E mentions remnants in Chicago is beyond retarded, although, maybe he confused the Midwestern Brotherhoods PA for the Enclaves.

I've said this well over a dozen times by now, but the Talon Mercs. If Bethsoft needed an evil faction, they could have just took more than 3 seconds to develop the Talon Mercs. They had a base a mutual hatred with Riley's Ranger and vice verse. Why they choose not to play up that aspect of them is beyond me.

In other words, the Enclave is sooooo played out by now.
 
Remnants/outposts in Chicago isn't retarded idea. To be hones, I would like to see Enclave around, they're cool faction and they're important piece of Fallout universe. Although they're done for, they've lost and they have absolutely no means of returning as a major, or even minor force in the Wastelands. Until properly handled, I'd like to see them around. But they're just dying remnants.

If Bethsoft needed an evil faction, they could have just took more than 3 seconds to develop the Talon Mercs. They had a base a mutual hatred with Riley's Ranger and vice verse. Why they choose not to play up that aspect of them is beyond me.
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Because retarded 12-year-old that they're aiming at while designing the game wouldn't understand sophisticated and complex plot device.
 
I wouldn't mind a small faction of the Enclave helping the real villains, to show that they are trying to rebuild their former glory. But that should be the last time, in FO4+1 they should be gone for good.
 
If at all, a group of Enclave remnants should be solely focused on trying to survive and not trying to take over the world. Especially the later thing would be such a big cliche, it can make my head explode.
 
Quagmire69 said:
The Enclave logically has to still be around. I mean really how could they have launched a large scale invasion of the capital wasteland without bases and production facilities.
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The problem here is the assumption that you can use Fallout 3 as a sound framework to base any sort of logical conclusion on. Seriously. All Beth-bashing aside, there is scarcely a thing to be found in that game that makes an ounce of sense when subjected to anything deeper than a popcorn-entertainment sense of awareness. I like to think that the major plot points of Fallout 3 may have happened canonically in some way, shape, or form, but the game itself is the Hollywood-glam Michael Bay version of events, a simulation programmed by a starry-eyed Brotherhood C-student with an incomplete after-action report as reference material and too much free time on his hands.

That being said, taking everything as fully canon, the most logical assumption is that much of the Enclave's technology came from pre-war stockpiles and that their post-war production capabilities were scarcely up to outfitting an invading army. Slow accretion of materials and careful preservation of existing tech provided the needed military capability to make the assault on DC when the time was right (just as it provided for the establishment of a forward base at Navarro), but that probably represented the shooting of their wad. With the Poseidon rig taken out, they most likely took an irreparable hit in terms of R&D personnel, C&C faculties, and raw materials. Navarro and Raven Rock weren't production facilities, but losing them couldn't have helped, either. The Enclave have got to still be around, yes, but they're doubtlessly on an irreversible downslope.
 
Enclave really need to die. Fair enough with F3 but we dont need another Enclave based Fallout game. Wouldn't seeing them as a dying faction like the bos in New Vegas
 
Enclave really need to die. Fair enough with F3 but we dont need another Enclave based Fallout game. Wouldn't seeing them as a dying faction like the bos in New Vegas
 
Quagmire69 said:
The lack of Enclave women in the Capital Wasteland seems to stand out to me.
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Kill enclave soldiers and loot their armor, you can find a good amount of women under those armors, just liek with the BoS
 
That being said, taking everything as fully canon, the most logical assumption is that much of the Enclave's technology came from pre-war stockpiles and that their post-war production capabilities were scarcely up to outfitting an invading army. Slow accretion of materials and careful preservation of existing tech provided the needed military capability to make the assault on DC when the time was right (just as it provided for the establishment of a forward base at Navarro), but that probably represented the shooting of their wad. With the Poseidon rig taken out, they most likely took an irreparable hit in terms of R&D personnel, C&C faculties, and raw materials. Navarro and Raven Rock weren't production facilities, but losing them couldn't have helped, either. The Enclave have got to still be around, yes, but they're doubtlessly on an irreversible downslope
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What about the kids? What about training facilities? Were are these storage depose. I assume thier not getting thier oil from the DC ruins. As someone who knows about military tactics and orginisation I can tell you that any any army has far more people in supply positions that in combat.

What you suggesting is that thier just another road warrior wandering army like the BOS or the Legion. Thats not the case, thye developed hellfire armour and put it into production during thier conflict with the brotherhood. Maintaining the mobile crawler they have would take a huge facility. Remember that the oil rig was thier headquarters, thier obiously were many facilities in possesion of the enclave after the bombs fell.

I also don't think things are neccasarily that bad for them in the long run. They have the best technology, and are some of the only ones that know how to maintain and produce it except perhaps for the Brotherhood, house, and maybe a few minor faction.. I believe House was right about the NCR and the Legion, In the long run both will desentigrate. Really thier only long term strategic threat in my opinion is the brotherhood, thier the only ones capable of matching them technologically.
 
I think they got their oil from the oil rig. Which got blown up. Several years before the events of Fallout 3 in fact.

Just give up with the Enclave already, it didn't make sense for them to appear in Fallout 3 and it would make even less sense for them to appear as anything more than remnants in future Fallout games.
 
Quagmire69 said:
What about the kids? What about training facilities? Were are these storage depose. I assume thier not getting thier oil from the DC ruins. As someone who knows about military tactics and orginisation I can tell you that any any army has far more people in supply positions that in combat.
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I think we can assume that most of it was present at the Oil Rig and Navarro. Both for maintenance and training. Again the Enclave was never a "huge" military force. What they lacked in numbers they made up with technology. Very similar to the BoS I guess.

And even if not. There would be still the "it is just a game left". Like many around here I agree that we have to give the Enclave some rest to make room for new factions. As said. That does not mean they have to disappear from the wasteland. You could still stumble over abandoned enclave bunkers/equipment. Find old Enclave people or their children. Just as how you did in Vegas. But making them a MAIN faction or even some kind of villain again ?
 
Quagmire69 said:
The Enclave logically has to still be around. I mean really how could they have launched a large scale invasion of the capital wasteland without bases and production facilities. Their not a roving army like CL. Raven Rock and Adams don't count. Those are forward bases with no production facilities and no civilians. Think of the logistics that it would take to keep the mobile crawly running. They are only a handful of enclave women, logically have some vault or base where they all are. In NV EDE had information on Enclave bases in Chicago. The Enclave also represents the pre war government and is a plot device for the discussing the great war, thiel be back.
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Yeah Raven Rock, where the President is and cannot leave; clearly an outpost for the Enclave moon base.

Of course there is more to Raven Rock than what we see, do you think that to get to the second and third floor people have to go through the ZAX chamber? There is clearly a long corridor on the first floor that gets destroyed before you can go into it. There are only 8 beds too so presumably the Enclave have some real issues getting sleep :roll: Also manufacturing abilities must be present as Whitley, in one of ED-E's logs, mentions that all of his resources are being syphend to the Hellfire Armour project, meaning that it was only just created... at Raven Rock presumably.

It wasn't an invasion either, through some poorly explained mechanism (presumably the Presidential Line of Succession but Bethesda's writing strikes again) Eden is President and simply ordered people too him.
 
Crni Vuk said:
Enclave base on the moon ... please don't give Bethesda ideas !
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Then they really could turn the Enclave into the Galactic Empire, they've stole Blade Runner, Land of the Dead (pretty blatantly too, I hate that) and have already said that they based the F3 Enclave on the Empire.
 
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