Gotta love these dismissals when their arguments get thrown into the shitter. Not even an attempt to refute anything i said.
No different from the same one liner you used to refute mine, but alright I will play your game.
No. Opinions have to be based on same form of objectivty based on evidence presented.
Only if the person is arguing in a maner that can be reasoned with or is open to changing their mind on the issue in the first place. And besides even that, I have literally seen you present
no evidence yourself to back up your argument other than statement's made using guess what?
Your opinion.
So saying a game is better than 99% of games released recently without any evidence is utter bullshit.
Again, while I agree Morgan shouldn't throw such fragrant statement's without her reasoning again it boils down to her believing what she says to be true and nothing you say will change that belief in the fact which you should have been able to tell when your argument started to devolve like it did.
specially because i have played several of them and they are far better made than Oblivion.
That's just hypocrisy based on your previous statement.
No. Opinions have to be based on same form of objectivty based on evidence presented.
You aren't offering any examples here expecting us to take your word and
opinion over anybody else's and doing the same thing you are criticizing Morgan_ for ironically.
People keep mixing up opinions with subjectivity. People can like whatever they want, but they have to be aware of whatever problems those things might have.
I agree.
I don't give a shit if people like things, i take issue when people claim something is bad for no reason, or something horrendous is somehow better than something else when it's clearly not.
I also slightly agree, but keep in mind to hate or even dislike something you don't always need a clear reason, I love Fallout and when I tried Skyrim I hated it, no reasons given or thought as to why that is. I don't feel I have to explain myself in that regard, because that's my opinion on Skyrim their isn't always a clear cut reason for why someone dislikes or even hates something.
And if everything is subjective after all, i guess Ride to Hell Retribution, Sonic 06, Superman 64, Big Rigs and several other games that are considered bad aren't objectively bad. Oh wait, they are.
They are 'bad' but keep in mind something's have sliver lining's to list two examples out of what you gave, Big Wheels is one of those games that's so horrendously bad it's good curiosity and Sonic 06 despite in my opinion being rubbish all the way around at least has a great Shadow's Story (And
only his story, I am not talking about gameplay here.)
My point is, you can find something good in something bad, and unlike the games you just listed and even though I haven't played it myself a quick look via internet search has told me that Oblivion is in no way universally lampooned or considered a garbage game meaning that all your statement's are made primarily of your
opinion.
Without objectivity on how things are put together, things don't get better because systems don't improve, game design doesn't improve.
I agree criticism is necessary for improvement, I am only disagreeing with your methods of debating here.
Thinking everything is subjective is absolutely ridiculous and it's only used by people that don't like the thing they like might actually be bad.
Again I agree, the problem is that everything you have been stating so far has been mostly subjective with no evidence to support them, you say Oblivion is trash? By what consensus?
Look at the bellow
Everyone likes retarded, dumb shit while growing up. Doesn't mean that stuff isn't any less bad because you had fun with it as a kid.
And Oblivion was my first Elder Scrolls game.
No, it isn't. If anything, Oblivion is pretty much the prime example of a dumbed down, RPG-lite made for the dumb masses. And Bethesda themselves said as such when they said they wanted the game to appeal to everyone.
You mean a step down from Morrowind, which certainly to shit it is. Such a sharp drop in quality, and Morrowind is flawed.
These above statement's are backed by no evidence other than your 'opinion' on the subject not any sort of evidence which again you earlier stated should be based on evidence presented.
80% of the quests in Oblivion are uninspired fetch or kill quest garbage, and the ones that aren't like that aren't any better or more memorable than Morrowind's.
The highlighted is objective as it's true, the later is personal preference and opinion.
No, it doesn't. Oblivion doesn't have the cool spells Morrowind has and the attacks based on the direction of the mouse (those shitty power moves from Oblivion aren't the same thing), nowhere near the same amount of weapons and different damage types for weapons like piercing. Oblivion's gameplay is bottom of the barrel garbage, just a button masher where two stones grind on each other until one wins.
Oblivion's combat has all the problems of Morrowind's combat without any of the good stuff the latter has. They took the wrong lessons from Morrowind's combat failings.
These are actually good point's.
In summary you have a few good point's but a lot of what you stated besides the last bit is subjective and based off pure personal opinion rather than fact as you are passing it off as.
