Microsoft has bought Zenimax/Bethesda

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by Kilus, Sep 21, 2020.

  1. Robert Edwin House

    Robert Edwin House "I prefer autocrat"

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    Sep 22, 2020
    The only 'limit' on an opinion is when somebody gives up their opinion. I myself disagree with both of your argument's and personally despise almost every 'Elder Scrolls' game in existence, but I am not forcing you to agree with me, nor will I change my opinion strictly for your or anybody else's benefit.

    In the end it's Morgan's opinion on his/her's experiences with the series and demanding that he personally prefer your take on them because they are in the majority opinion is ironically against what this site argues primarily to begin with and presumptuous.
     
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  2. Morgan_

    Morgan_ The Fool

    Jul 3, 2020
    You all need to wake up and smell the reality. Games are shit this gen.
     
  3. Robert Edwin House

    Robert Edwin House "I prefer autocrat"

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    Sep 22, 2020
    I wouldn't give such a flat statement yet, the next gen is just starting, and we won't be able to fully judge it for a few years. And as for the one that just ended? It's lackluster, but their are a few diamonds in the rough here and their. Although I will say it was a disappointment RPG wise.
     
  4. Norzan

    Norzan Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Apr 7, 2017
    No. Opinions have to be based on same form of objectivty based on evidence presented. You can't just claim a game sucks without showing why. So saying a game is better than 99% of games released recently without any evidence is utter bullshit, specially because i have played several of them and they are far better made than Oblivion.

    People keep mixing up opinions with subjectivity. People can like whatever they want, but they have to be aware of whatever problems those things might have. I don't give a shit if people like things, i take issue when people claim something is bad for no reason, or something horrendous is somehow better than something else when it's clearly not.

    And if everything is subjective after all, i guess Ride to Hell Retribution, Sonic 06, Superman 64, Big Rigs and several other games that are considered bad aren't objectively bad. Oh wait, they are. Without objectivity on how things are put together, things don't get better because systems don't improve, game design doesn't improve. Thinking everything is subjective is absolutely ridiculous and it's only used by people that don't like the thing they like might actually be bad.
     
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  5. Morgan_

    Morgan_ The Fool

    Jul 3, 2020
    Lol You are so fucking triggered over Oblivion. What game is objectively better than Oblivion this gen and your reasons as to why?
     
  6. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Boom Boom Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    He is actually right though. It's like you fucking kids forget where you are.

    Explanation: To attempt to put on a pedestal Oblivion shows you are a kid with shitty taste in games, or perhaps a better way to put it is to say you have not been alive long enough to play the good ones.
     
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  7. Aurelius Of Phoenix

    Aurelius Of Phoenix Psued.

    Mar 9, 2018
    What's the point of voicing a position on anything if you can't shit on other people's opinions and call them retarded for it. Disagreement is a pretty major point of conversation.
     
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  8. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Boom Boom Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    Morgan's opinion on good games is like Morgan's opinion on what the best sexual position is.
     
  9. Robert Edwin House

    Robert Edwin House "I prefer autocrat"

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    Sep 22, 2020
    That's true, but once it's clear a person reveals that their mind won't be changed on an issue, arguing back and forth 'yes' and 'no' becomes childish and meaningless really fast.

    Norzan had made his point and I was convinced of his argument as the better over Morgan_'s but once he lowered himself into the 'yes/no' portion of his argument rather than letting his case stand on it's own I couldn't take it as seriously.
     
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  10. Morgan_

    Morgan_ The Fool

    Jul 3, 2020
    Ya'll just mad that Bethesda rescued Fallout from pseudo intellectual irrelevancy and made it the empire it is today.
    The best sex positions are missionary, reverse cowgirl and whatever the one is where you lay on your back and the dude is going from behind.
     
  11. Aurelius Of Phoenix

    Aurelius Of Phoenix Psued.

    Mar 9, 2018
    From what you're saying I think your favorite sex position is getting skull fucked.
     
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  12. Norzan

    Norzan Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Apr 7, 2017
    Gotta love these dismissals when their arguments get thrown into the shitter. Not even an attempt to refute anything i said.
     
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  13. Morgan_

    Morgan_ The Fool

    Jul 3, 2020

    Shut the fuck up
     
  14. Aurelius Of Phoenix

    Aurelius Of Phoenix Psued.

    Mar 9, 2018
    No you.
     
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  15. Gnarle

    Gnarle First time out of the vault

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    Dec 12, 2018
    nma in a nutshell
     
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  16. Risewild

    Risewild Carbon Dated and Proud
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    I will name a few games (I will only name games that are from 2015 to now), I can't really post why they are better at the moment since I don't have much time for a wall of text. I will do it later if I don't forget:
    • Mount and Blade Bannerlord
    • Kingdom Come Deliverance
    • Disco Elysium
    • ATOM RPG
    • The Age of Decadence
    • Expeditions: Viking
    • Wasteland 3
    • Wasteland 2: Director's Cut
    • Shadowrun: Hong Kong - Extended Edition
    • The Witcher 3
    • Pillars of Eternity
    • Pillars of Eternity 2
    • Divinity Original Sin 2
    • Divinity: Original Sin - Enhanced Edition
    • Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    • Kenshi
    • Grim Dawn
    • Himeko Sutori
    • Undertale
    • Tyranny
    • Pyre
    • Six Ages: Ride Like the Wind
    • The Banner Saga 2
    • Jimmy and the Pulsating Mass
    • Cat Quest
    • Yakuza 0
    • Persona 4 Golden
    • Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age
    • Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night
    • Ni no Kuni Wrath of the White Witch Remastered
    • The Legend of Heroes series
    I included a lot of different RPG genres in this list (and even some that aren't really that much RPG), so it should have something for everyone. There are more games, but I ran out of time.
     
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  17. Morgan_

    Morgan_ The Fool

    Jul 3, 2020
    Damn, thanks!
    Will have to check some of these out as I only have Disco Elysium and Undertale at the moment.
     
  18. Robert Edwin House

    Robert Edwin House "I prefer autocrat"

    21
    Sep 22, 2020
    No different from the same one liner you used to refute mine, but alright I will play your game.
    Only if the person is arguing in a maner that can be reasoned with or is open to changing their mind on the issue in the first place. And besides even that, I have literally seen you present no evidence yourself to back up your argument other than statement's made using guess what? Your opinion.
    Again, while I agree Morgan shouldn't throw such fragrant statement's without her reasoning again it boils down to her believing what she says to be true and nothing you say will change that belief in the fact which you should have been able to tell when your argument started to devolve like it did.

    That's just hypocrisy based on your previous statement.
    You aren't offering any examples here expecting us to take your word and opinion over anybody else's and doing the same thing you are criticizing Morgan_ for ironically.
    I agree.
    I also slightly agree, but keep in mind to hate or even dislike something you don't always need a clear reason, I love Fallout and when I tried Skyrim I hated it, no reasons given or thought as to why that is. I don't feel I have to explain myself in that regard, because that's my opinion on Skyrim their isn't always a clear cut reason for why someone dislikes or even hates something.
    They are 'bad' but keep in mind something's have sliver lining's to list two examples out of what you gave, Big Wheels is one of those games that's so horrendously bad it's good curiosity and Sonic 06 despite in my opinion being rubbish all the way around at least has a great Shadow's Story (And only his story, I am not talking about gameplay here.)

    My point is, you can find something good in something bad, and unlike the games you just listed and even though I haven't played it myself a quick look via internet search has told me that Oblivion is in no way universally lampooned or considered a garbage game meaning that all your statement's are made primarily of your opinion.
    I agree criticism is necessary for improvement, I am only disagreeing with your methods of debating here.
    Again I agree, the problem is that everything you have been stating so far has been mostly subjective with no evidence to support them, you say Oblivion is trash? By what consensus?

    Look at the bellow
    These above statement's are backed by no evidence other than your 'opinion' on the subject not any sort of evidence which again you earlier stated should be based on evidence presented.
    The highlighted is objective as it's true, the later is personal preference and opinion.

    These are actually good point's.

    In summary you have a few good point's but a lot of what you stated besides the last bit is subjective and based off pure personal opinion rather than fact as you are passing it off as.
     
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  19. Morgan_

    Morgan_ The Fool

    Jul 3, 2020
  20. KingArthur

    KingArthur All we have now is a life so ordinary

    Jun 25, 2018
    That’s more because she’s a complete bitch than for anything I did.