most overrated movies?

The King of The Worms said:
The Matrix by far has to be the most overrated movie ever credit where it's do it did give a glimpse at what CGI could do but the science in that movie is all messed up.
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That movies real problem is the characters lack personality so hard and the performances are so bland that I can't care about anything that happenes and the movie becomes a slog.
 
TorontRayne said:
Now people are fooled into thinking the first movie was just "ok" because it was following a classic formula and has dated special effects or has been aped so many times it is seen as derivative as hell.
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You do realize that Star Wars was never meant to be a serious Citizen Kane of sci-fi, but essentially a kid's movie? Everyone back in the 70s treated it as a fun little project that wasn't a serious movie (not to mention Lucas' ripping off of classic movies and franchises he couldn't get the rights to).
 
Tagaziel said:
You do realize that Star Wars was never meant to be a serious Citizen Kane of sci-fi, but essentially a kid's movie? Everyone back in the 70s treated it as a fun little project that wasn't a serious movie (not to mention Lucas' ripping off of classic movies and franchises he couldn't get the rights to).
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Yes. I absolutely realize that. Did what I say dispute that?
 
TorontRayne said:
Yes. I absolutely realize that. Did what I say dispute that?
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Well, your post did essentially portray it as Citizen Kane and everyone who doesn't agree being " fooled into thinking " it isn't one.

There's nothing wrong with a movie being a piece of pop culture targeted at attracting a massive audience and the original Star Wars is just an OK movie.
 
Tagaziel said:
Well, your post did essentially portray it as Citizen Kane and everyone who doesn't agree being " fooled into thinking " it isn't one.

There's nothing wrong with a movie being a piece of pop culture targeted at attracting a massive audience and the original Star Wars is just an OK movie.
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No, YOU portrayed it as being Citizen Kane. I said it is a movie that excels in everything that it intends to do, with one of the best movie soundtracks of all time, with special effects that still stand today. It has characters that are so timeless that any perceived faults you can find in the simplicity of the story (which is by design) can be written off due to the intended audience being families not snobby movie critics.
 
TorontRayne said:
No, YOU portrayed it as being Citizen Kane. I said it is a movie that excels in everything that it intends to do, with one of the best movie soundtracks of all time, with special effects that still stand today. It has characters that are so timeless that any perceived faults you can find in the simplicity of the story (which is by design) can be written off due to the intended audience being families not snobby movie critics.
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So it's basically the Citizen Kane, in your opinion. In mine it's an OK adventure movie.
 
TorontRayne said:
any perceived faults you can find in the simplicity of the story (which is by design) can be written off due to the intended audience being families not snobby movie critics.
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"Any faults are irrelevant because it was made for families lol"
So I guess every family friendly movie is a 10/10? The emoji movie is a 10/10 by this very very flawed logic. Look star wars is great but for hecks sake man it ain't that great and it never was. By objective standards its story is serviceable and its characters are basic arc types. It's a typical adventure movie. Nothing more. Writing off everyone who has problems with the film as "snobby critics" is also a bit chilish imho.
 
Any Pixar movie after Wall-e is extremely overrated. There are even groups that defend the Cars movies and shit. Everything they touch is automatically perfection and it has gotten so bad the oscars fon't even bother watching other animated movies and they just default to awarding Pixar the prize.
 
R.Graves said:
"Any faults are irrelevant because it was made for families lol"
So I guess every family friendly movie is a 10/10? The emoji movie is a 10/10 by this very very flawed logic. Look star wars is great but for hecks sake man it ain't that great and it never was. By objective standards its story is serviceable and its characters are basic arc types. It's a typical adventure movie. Nothing more. Writing off everyone who has problems with the film as "snobby critics" is also a bit chilish imho.
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I keep seeing a lot of fucking strawmen.

Yes, the story is serviceable, predictable even, since it follows the well worn Hero Myth formula. That does not stop it from being a good movie. A movie can be great and still appeal to children. I also did not write off all movie critic opinions, I merely stated that the story is not meant to change their jaded outlook on life with some deep symbolic arc that can only be understood by those well versed in 33 degree Freemasonry.
 
TorontRayne said:
Yes, the story is serviceable, predictable even, since it follows the well worn Hero Myth formula. That does not stop it from being a good movie. A movie can be great and still appeal to children. I also did not write off all movie critic opinions, I merely stated that the story is not meant to change their jaded outlook on life with some deep symbolic arc that can only be understood by those well versed in 33 degree Freemasonry.
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Starship Troopers is also an awesome and entertaining movie.

I think you're conflating greatness with enjoyability.
 
Takashi Miike fanboys are the most virulent, abrassive pretentious dipshits I've ever encounter.
 
Walpknut said:
I don't follow the logic of calling a small, indie movie overrated
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It doesn't need sequels to overrated, operative word being RATED/ratings. Have you seen the movies tomatoes rating??

The fucking movie was ranked 100, a PERFECT SCORE, until some brave soul arrived called it out.

There are many other films so much better that aren't rated 100.

R.Graves said:
Maybe because its the first time a black guy actually made a decent movie
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So what if a black director made a passible horror movie? Should he get extra kudos for being black?
 
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DarkCorp said:
So what if a black director made a passible horror movie? Should he get extra kudos for being black?
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Of course not but people seem to think that way based on a lot of posts and shit around the web. I'm just saying there's a weird lack of great black directors in hollywood.
 
Do you even know how the fuck Rotten Tomatoes works? The scire is a simplistic agregation of Positive scores to negative scores... a 100 Rotten Tomato score doesn't mean the consensus is that is perfect but that the amount of positive reivews is bigger... Holy shit people are dumb...
 
Walpknut said:
positive reivews
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Like I said, ratings/reviews. The movie is clearly having a lot of people review it favorably, AKA, overRATED positively. Much more so than it really deserves.
 
Walpknut said:
Any Pixar movie after Wall-e is extremely overrated.
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Strongly disagree, I think Toy Story 3 and Inside Out are justifiably praised.

Walpknut said:
There are even groups that defend the Cars movies and shit.
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There are always people who will defend something, that doesn't mean said thing is overrated. Cars 2 has gotten plenty of bad reviews.

Walpknut said:
Everything they touch is automatically perfection
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I love generalities, they are so easy to disprove with just one counterexample. Like, I don't know, Cars 2. I mean I don't even think it was terrible but it certainly wasn't "perfection".

DarkCorp said:
Much more so than it really deserves.
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According to you, the number one authority on rating movies

When I think about it, this thread is really useless because everything I don't like but most others do seems obviously overrated to me. Conclusion: everything ever is overrated. </thread>
 
I think it was already mentioned but the first Matrix. It's constantly praised for introducing bullet time but it seems the story, characters and acting are completely forgotten when talking about this movie. It has the predictable "Chosen hero" story which was a cliche by that point, the characters are horribly bland and have next to no personality and it has some of the most wooden acting i ever seen.

And it ends in the biggest cliche ever which is "Love beats everything".
 
DarkCorp said:
Like I said, ratings/reviews. The movie is clearly having a lot of people review it favorably, AKA, overRATED positively. Much more so than it really deserves.
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That's not what overrated means... that just means you don't like it and don't like it having positive reviews at all.

Another thing about Pixar Fanboys is that they get really defensive about their fanboyism to Pixar. You gotta have an ulterior motive or personal flaw if you point out how their movies are overrated. Kinda like Marvel fanboys who just accuse you of "hating fun" because you get bored with their conveyor belt assembled movies.
 
Another thing about people who like talking about other people as if they're not present is that they just completely ignore actual arguments in order to just destroy some blanket strawman.
 
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