New developer diary at Bethesda

[xdarkyrex]

I also encourage you to read Section8's footnotes

Between this thread and that, pretty much all of my initial good vibes about this have dissipated.

My only gripe was the 7 year old girl thing.
That is actually pretty stupid.
Although I suppose if the rest of the US fared remotely as well as Cali did, there would be atleast a couple of places to stop along the way.

The rest of it sounds just fine to me.

Reports of super mutants?
scouting reports.

In search of unknown technology?
YES. That sounds incredibly appropriate to me, going to THE PENTAGON to search for military technology. I would logically guess that there is a pretty damned good chance of there being technology there. What exactly? Who knows. But theres bound to be some. Or atleast a way to find other locations that might have technology. Going there may just be the key to finding the locations of ALL of the worthwhile technology in the former USA.

As for the super mutants, once again, the idea of there being FEV somewhere else seems like a no-brainer. Its a perfectly reasonable plot arc.

 

[Per]

Reports of super mutants?
scouting reports.

"Elder, the latest reports are in. Our man in Dayglow spotted a three-headed gecko. Not much happening in Klamath. We have some guy traipsing about in Oregon, he may have found an old bunker or something. Nothing new from our man in Paraguay. Thailand is dead this time of year. The Antarctica squad wants us to send more woolly socks. Oh, and here's some vaguely promising stuff from D.C., could be nothing..."

In search of unknown technology?
YES. That sounds incredibly appropriate to me, going to THE PENTAGON to search for military technology.

Why?

Isn't that what everyone else would have done in the last couple of hundred years?

Isn't that the stuff the government itself would have protected and/or relocated to the extent it didn't blow up in the war?

Isn't that the stuff you don't keep in the obvious place to begin with?

Isn't that assuming on their part that only the west coast has scavengers, salvage squads, intrepid Chosen Ones? That everything lies about waiting for them? Is that reasonable?


Edit: East and west are easily confused.

 

[Sorrow]

What kind of technology can be stored in Pentagon?
Wouldn't searching for research bases more logical?

Yeah, that's great.

Now, say, how would you feel about, say, Mad Max 4, in which suddenly a couple of the raiders that used to work for Humungus split off from his group and decided only to do good because, y'know, it's the right thing to do?

Not good, huh?

That's because it's stupid. And it lacks respect.

Wasn't Lord Humungus intended to be one of the cops who served with Mad Max?

Also, you are comparing degenerate criminals who have no problems with commiting rape and murder with a group of people who live in organised society.
Some people in BoS may still have some conscience and empathy (or enough vanity to like being treated as heroes).

Which doesn't change the fact that the rest of the story doesn't make sense.

I agree that an altruistic brotherhood is retarded but thats the direction beth wants to take.

I mean after all, they are paladins. They wear power armor that looks like knights plate. They are on a mission from good to protect the weak and sick and heal the feeble. Its akin to medieval fantasy paladins. Medieval fantasy, its what bethesda does best.

The BoS isn't altruistic, the elder Lyons and his people are. His decision to protect people and make fighting the SM a priority resulted in his group becoming fractured and losing support of BoS HQ.

BTW. Am I the only person that thinks that writing in that article is horrible?

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

Watch it Per,

You're presenting reasonable assumptions.

As for the whole Pentagon thing, wouldn't this place be a radioactive hotspot?
It might be an administrative centre but I am sure the Chinese would want to destroy this place as its important.

 

[DarkCorp]

Let me add my two cents.

Wouldn't the pentagon, along with numerous other sites be just a few of the critical targets in a nuclear strike?? I mean it is one of the main command and control centers for the us military along with other locations like NORAD.

Lets sum up some stuff about the pentagon.

1. Most likely glowing (once again brotherhood didn't think the glow in cali was worth heading to, lets not mention a glow thats thousands of miles away).

2. As per stated, the most logical steps would be to back up and then erase all important tactical information about us military command operations along with other extremely sensitive secrets so the chinese won't get them in case of a land invasion.

Ah, just one of many things beth chooses to ignore in its "re-invention"



Edit: looks like the dutch ghost beat me to it, damn i wrote too much

 

[requiem_for_a_starfury]

As for the whole Pentagon thing, wouldn't this place be a radioactive hotspot?

Funnily enough there's a preview in the UK OXM and the previewer describes Washington as 'the site of the worst damage in the country'. I don't know if the previewer pulled that out of thin air or it's something they've been fed by Bethesda but either way it seems a logical presumption.

Would the Brotherhood know enough about pre-war America to know the location/existence of the Pentagon, what might be there worth scavenging and at the same time not realise that it was probably pounded into radioactive dust?

 

[Ausir]

What kind of technology can be stored in Pentagon?
Wouldn't searching for research bases more logical?

Those like Mariposa and the Glow, which the Brotherhood didn't explore even though they're pretty close and are known locations to them?

Would the Brotherhood know enough about pre-war America to know the location/existence of the Pentagon, what might be there worth scavenging and at the same time not realise that it was probably pounded into radioactive dust?

It's not as if anyone at the Brotherhood cares about history. In FO1, only Sophia did, and the rest didn't even know the history of the Brotherhood too well. Maxson didn't know what base his grandfather was from, some other guy didn't know that John Maxson is a grandson of Roger Maxson, konwing that he's only some vague descendant of the guy, and some Initiates didn't know who Roger Maxson is at all.

 

[Sorrow]

What kind of technology can be stored in Pentagon?
Wouldn't searching for research bases more logical?

Those like Mariposa and the Glow, which the Brotherhood didn't explore even though they're pretty close and are known locations to them?

So, probably they wouldn't explore for technology at all?

 

[Brother None]

So, probably they wouldn't explore for technology at all?

I think they would explore a location if they knew it wasn't very dangerous and knew for sure there's technology there.

History shows they're not apt at just wandering about, tho'

 

[ArmorB]

So, probably they wouldn't explore for technology at all?

I think they would explore a location if they knew it wasn't very dangerous and knew for sure there's technology there.

History shows they're not apt at just wandering about, tho'

I always knew it was aliens that put people in the Pacific islands....

 

[Brother None]

I always knew it was aliens that put people in the Pacific islands....

What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about the BoS and their tendencies. There have been peoples and organisations in history known for their proclivity to stay put. The BoS is one of them. That doesn't mean all of humanity is.

Straw man, then?

 

[Per]

Straw boats, if Heyerdahl is to be believed.

 

[ArmorB]

I always knew it was aliens that put people in the Pacific islands....

What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about the BoS and their tendencies. There have been peoples and organisations in history known for their proclivity to stay put. The BoS is one of them. That doesn't mean all of humanity is.

Straw man, then?

Just like people never left the vaults....

I'm saying that if most of the BoS stayed holed up, doesn't mean that ALL of them did. Most people would think that trying to cross the Pacific ocean in a fucking canoe is about as stupid as you can get, but it was done, and it worked. Once again I simply say that it is unlikely but very possible. Which is all it takes to make history...

 

[Brother None]

Just like people never left the vaults....

They are, also, not the Brotherhood.

I'm saying that if most of the BoS stayed holed up, doesn't mean that ALL of them did.

We're not talking about rogue elements here. We're talking about the leadership of an organisation suddenly doing an about-face and all-of-sudden deciding that preservation of technology isn't their most important goal and that they should fetch technology instead. Not only that, they shouldn't just fetch technology from nearby military bases. Nah, why go for peanuts? They'll immediately send a pack of their best trekking across the wasteland to see if they have any technology there.

Could it happen? Anything could happen. That doesn't automatically means it makes sense. Keep verisimilitude in mind. A purple pony could've happened in the world of middle earth, yet how would people have felt if Aragorn was riding one in the LotR movies? It doesn't make sense.

 

[Morbus]

In other words, Bethesda is doing deus ex machina with the Brotherhood.

 

[Brother None]

Duh.

I thought this was going to be the case from the first moment I saw a BoS soldier in this game. They were either incapable of grasping the original BoS or thought a goody two-shoes BoS would be better, and thus they retconned it.

Why anyone would be surprised that that would piss people off is beyond me, though.

 

[ArmorB]

Well luckily it's only pissing off 11 of you...

 

[Silencer]

Nah, why go for peanuts? They'll immediately send a pack of their best trekking across the wasteland to see if they have any technology there.

Could it happen? Anything could happen. That doesn't automatically means it makes sense. Keep verisimilitude in mind. A purple pony could've happened in the world of middle earth, yet how would people have felt if Aragorn was riding one in the LotR movies? It doesn't make sense.

Maybe it's a Holy Grail thing/ They're Knights, after all

ArmorB, please cut the attitude.

 

[DarkCorp]

The BoS isn't altruistic, the elder Lyons and his people are. His decision to protect people and make fighting the SM a priority resulted in his group becoming fractured and losing support of BoS HQ

Yes as Brother None brought up. I am sure it takes years of faithful service and indoctrination to reach such a high rank as elder. Now you are telling me this guy is going to do an about face, spit on everything the brotherhood taught him, wreck his supply lines which would certainly (and by all means did) cause a mutiny only out of the kindness of his heart? Come off it man.

Sure, next we will hear Osama Bin Laden had a change of heart and now will help the americans and the rest of the world dismantle Al Queda.

 

[Moving Target]

Well luckily it's only pissing off 11 of you...

12. Pissing off 12 of us.

Outside of that little addition, I think BN covered this recent attrocity ably. The second I heard "Paladins of the Wastes" after the first preview I knew something was horribly, horribly wrong.