NFL 2009

Cimmerian Nights said:
Being that the talk is about the Vikes again, you have to wonder what Favre's motivation is. He must really want to stick it to the Packers, huh?
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Yeah, this is it. Actually I'm not sure it's the Packers as much as it is Ted Thompson personally. He really, really seems to hate Ted. Also before Darrell Bevel was the Vikings offensive coordinator he was the Packers quarterbacks coach.

I think Favre coming back to play for the Vikings is much more interesting than Favre playing for the Jets last year. It's much riskier for him personally. Last year he joined a 4-12 team halfway through training camp and almost got them into the playoffs. If he came back this year he'd be joining a team whose fans would expect him to take them to the Super Bowl, and if he failed they would turn on him in a second.
 
GODDAMMMMMMIT!!!1

three more goddamn months to wait? also, anyone want to do a fantasy season again? hopefully we can get a few more people who actually pay attention and try. hehe.
 
TwinkieGorilla said:
three more goddamn months to wait? also, anyone want to do a fantasy season again? hopefully we can get a few more people who actually pay attention and try. hehe.
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Sure, another NMA fantasy would be fun. Good idea to wait until we're in the pre-season to set it up and do a draft, tho'. Early-comers and leagues who draft around this period are stupid.

Also, I propose we cut down the rosters. Probably shouldn't have gone IDPs for a noob league anyway, so it should be just offense + K and DEF this year.
 
Brother None said:
Sure, another NMA fantasy would be fun. Good idea to wait until we're in the pre-season to set it up and do a draft, tho'. Early-comers and leagues who draft around this period are stupid.

Also, I propose we cut down the rosters. Probably shouldn't have gone IDPs for a noob league anyway, so it should be just offense + K and DEF this year.
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aww. i like having def. positions. :( but yeah, i agree to the preseason or August drafting.
 
No shit, I've caught a few "NFL Lives" here and there. There's no fucking news whatsoever, yet the still insist on filling 30 minutes a day with meaningless, inane, overanalysis.

But hey I watched it, I'm in NFL withdrawl, but it's ultimately unsatisfying and leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
Like when you run out of herb and decide to do a resin hit off a dirty pipe in the hopes of getting some residual high off it. Not worth it.
 
Hey, at least we can follow the exciting story of Favre having surgery on his elbow and probably returning to the NFL to play for ythe Vikes. EXCITEMENT.
 
Brother None said:
Hey, at least we can follow the exciting story of Favre having surgery on his elbow and probably returning to the NFL to play for ythe Vikes. EXCITEMENT.
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fuck that. i've been intentionally ignoring it, furiously (and while that might seem like an obvious choice to most of you, from me it means something).

also...i got a bit of an eyeroll the other day when watching some of the Top 10 "moments" in NFL History they've been showing and noticing that at least a 1/3 of the moments are from the last two years. right. talk about desperately hyping/keeping people interested in the sport. like, is this necessary?
 
Chad truly strikes me as one of those clowns that's crying on the inside. Is there a more transparent attention whore than him?

And Favre is such a putz. I'm ambivalent about his return, I think he's fun to watch, sure, but I'm not shedding any tears if he never returns. But this thing now with the hotel rooms, what kind of passive-aggressive bullshit is that? He's acting like a jealous Jr. HS kid trying to get back at his girlfriend. Shit or get off the pot already man. I wouldn't deal with him anymore if I were Vikes, he's obviously not taking them seriously other than as a way for him to get back at the Packers.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
Chad truly strikes me as one of those clowns that's crying on the inside. Is there a more transparent attention whore than him?

And Favre is such a putz. I'm ambivalent about his return, I think he's fun to watch, sure, but I'm not shedding any tears if he never returns. But this thing now with the hotel rooms, what kind of passive-aggressive bullshit is that? He's acting like a jealous Jr. HS kid trying to get back at his girlfriend. Shit or get off the pot already man. I wouldn't deal with him anymore if I were Vikes, he's obviously not taking them seriously other than as a way for him to get back at the Packers.
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I find it somewhat interesting since he seems to be motivated in part by vengeance. If he comes back and loses to the Packers badly, he's going to be utterly hated in Minnesota, pitied in Green Bay, and a laughing stock everywhere else. If he wins he really doesn't gain much unless the Vikings at least go to the Super Bowl. He could get money and attention in Tampa Bay, but not revenge.
 
Childress is a tool, plain and simple for letting Favre hold his team hostage like this.

You're right, it is pitiful either way, because like him or not, he's a high-profile NFL icon, but the last few years he's put himself above his teammates, the league, everything. All because he couldn't deal with the fact that his team moved on after he told them he retired? Could the Packers have handled it better? Sure, I was giving Brett the benefit of the doubt at first - he was only an OT FG away from a SB in his last Packers game, it's hard to argue against that kind of performance. But he was the one that walked away. You can't fault the Packers, they had to move on and they stuck to their guns - they gave him enough face saving options too - to compete for the job or take a golden ride off into the sunset ($20M or something, no?), to be forever enshrined in the Packers Pantheon with their other legends.
It is pathetic how he's put his petty, impulsive need for revenge above the game like this. The guy had built up so much goodwill over his career, and now he's pissed it all away.

Why would you as a Viking get behind this dude, who's just using you for his own ends?

Again, I don't get why the Vikes are still letting him jerk them around. The guy may not even be on the team and he's totally undermined the credibility and authority of the organization already. Dumbasses.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
Again, I don't get why the Vikes are still letting him jerk them around. The guy may not even be on the team and he's totally undermined the credibility and authority of the organization already. Dumbasses.
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It's pretty short-term thinking, but the Vikes window of opportunity for the Super Bowl is open *now*, and it won't be open that long. The over-under on the duration for Adrian Peterson's career is 3 years. One half of the Williams Wall is getting old.

They obviously don't like either Tarvaris or Sage, which I think is idiotic. Sage is interception-prone but has the NFL experience to at least run the offense in management mode, and it's not like Favre will give you fewer INTs. And I think Tarvaris could still be pretty good, but they seem to have given up on him.

So bring in a QB and win the Superbowl, so they think. It's not like everyone knows Favre will decline down the stretch (he's old, for Frith's sake) or that he's guaranteed to throw more INTs than TDs, they just see the opportunity to add the final piece to their SuperBowl puzzle.

It's idiotic. I'd be surprised if they even make the playoffs with Favre under center.
 
Again, I think the league over expanded with 32 teams. There are not 32 starting caliber QBs, and that number will get smaller once the pads start cracking. Without a farm system like other sports, talent needs to be developed, good QBs don't just fall off trees.

I see potential in Jackson, moreso in Sage, but they are projects for sure. The Favre thing is really shortsighted. He's not taking them to the promised land, and then when he leaves them where are they then - Jackson and Sage at the same level of development, and maybe worse off because they saw their organization shun them like pariahs when some grizzled old star played them like a yo-yo.

I'm no Eli Manning fan, but look how well the Giants have handled his development as a 1st round pick, to rookie, to starter, to SB MVP. They knew he was a long term project, hell he still has a long way to go, but it says something when a team has a front office with some kind of plan that they stick to rather than willy-nilly shifting horses midstream.

It is good to see that things have a way of working out though as Rex Grossman is competing for a 3rd string position now. I know Chicago is all about Defense and Running Game, but how I still cannot understand how that clutz ever had a starting job in the NFL. Good for laughs though, I'll give him that.
Personell decisions like that just bring the quality of the league down though.

32 teams is great for the NFL's TV contract I'm sure, but it really dillutes the talent pool and brings the overall quality of the game down.
 
as a cheesehead the only thing i find heartwarming about the Favre situation (i think just about everything relevant has been said already) is that the Viking fans are eating shit right now. 90% of them have hated Favre with all their purple little hearts for AGES and now they have to watch as their precious team gets put on hold for the prick (their words) they hated the most. a prick who, as last year taught us all, can't quite be counted on to remain healthy or accurate any longer.

i really agree with everything Cim said up there...but c'mon, of course Childress is a tool. look at that fucking guy. i guarantee he's on the edge of what could be the last season of a job the same way Coughlin was and love it or hate it...the idea of Favre is the best one he's got right now.
 
Brother None said:
They obviously don't like either Tarvaris or Sage, which I think is idiotic. Sage is interception-prone but has the NFL experience to at least run the offense in management mode, and it's not like Favre will give you fewer INTs. And I think Tarvaris could still be pretty good, but they seem to have given up on him.
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From listening to Vikings fans I've come to the conclusion that a significant number of them want Favre on the team just to make Packer fans uncomfortable. It's not that they like Favre, but if he wins they'll be sticking it to the Packers, and if he loses they'll have the perfect excuse to go on hating him.

It's too bad for Rosenfels. He's from Iowa and I think he was excited to play for the Vikes. Not quite a hometown hero, but pretty close.
 
OK, I can support wanting to poke your thumb in your rival's eye, and I can see getting off by watching their former QB fall on his face. But when he's on your team? They are really a pessimist's pessimist.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
OK, I can support wanting to poke your thumb in your rival's eye, and I can see getting off by watching their former QB fall on his face. But when he's on your team? They are really a pessimist's pessimist.
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It's a bad team to be a fan of.

The spectre of relocation is looming over them, too. Everyone seems to be in a state of denial about that, but time is running out. I'm thinking that if they move to LA, they might swap divisions with the Rams, but we'll see what happens.
 
UniversalWolf said:
The spectre of relocation is looming over them, too. Everyone seems to be in a state of denial about that, but time is running out. I'm thinking that if they move to LA, they might swap divisions with the Rams, but we'll see what happens.
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wait, really? wtf? what's this about?

also, more importantly:

GREG JENNINGS SIGNED, BEEEEOCH!!!
 
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