NFL 2011

That was kind of sad to watch, Tebow throwing for >300yards on the Steelers D? Option football in the playoffs? Tebow deking James Harrison? Fun stuff. I was hoping for one more Farrior/Brady playoff showdown for old time's sake. Least the Patriots might win a freakin' playoff game now. They owe Denver some playoff love big time.


Is holding not a penalty anymore in the playoffs?

Can we get the Bama/LSU kids to teach the NFL players how to tackle? CBA dictating padded practices was a stupid idea.
 
UniversalWolf said:
Kolb garnered a 2nd and DRC, and I would argue that Flynn has a track record as good as Kolb or better, so I don't think a 1st is out of the question.
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You'd be wrong. Kolb was a highly touted prospect coming into the draft, played significantly more games and scouted much better. I've been reviewing the footage for Flynn for a Seahawks sportsblog and he just doesn't have the arm or other tangibles to rate nearly as highly as Kolb. A first is completely out of the question. This is basically an inferior Matt Cassel with less starts to prove he's for real. NFL FOs can get pretty dumb, but not that wrong.

Also, I hate wild card weekend. Week 17-to-wild card weekend is where I mentally tune out, because the worst football is usually played there. No different this year. Usually there's at least one entertaining game, but not this year, unless you count Atlanta being held to 2 points on a penalty as amusing. Awful, awful football.

At least next week's NFC games should be good. AFC not so much. What a putrid conference.
 
yeah, that's why the interconference games were virtually split this year, and one of our lowliest teams, the chiefs, beat one of the nfc's best, the packers.
 
Oh no, an upset happened?! IN THE NFL!? No way, surely that changes rational analysis of the AFC completely, and negates how pretty much every division except the North looked like a "least bad of a terrible lot".
 
Brother None said:
Also, I hate wild card weekend. Week 17-to-wild card weekend is where I mentally tune out, because the worst football is usually played there. No different this year. Usually there's at least one entertaining game, but not this year, unless you count Atlanta being held to 2 points on a penalty as amusing.
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That was pretty damn entertaining, to me. Fuck the Falcons.
 
One advantage to the awful field of the AFC: the Patriots might actually win a playoff game now! What's it been, five years?

Apropos to nothing, Greg Cosell writing regularly for NFL Films blog is great. There's no publicly available football mind quite like him, greatest tape analyst there is. Here's a good bit on the passing league, and how that's been a continuous trend since 1978.
 
Brother None said:
You'd be wrong. Kolb was a highly touted prospect coming into the draft, played significantly more games and scouted much better.
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JaMarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf were also more highly touted prospects, played significantly more games, and scouted much better than Matt Flynn. Or Tom Brady for that matter.

Flynn's arm has gotten stronger since college, and arm strength isn't paramount for a QB in Holmgren's WC offense anyway. Flynn's arm is more than adequate. You need a guy who can make quick reads, make accurate throws, and most importantly remain calm and not fold under pressure when time runs short. Flynn can do all those things and do them well. He's also got a proven character and work-ethic.

Kolb had played more games than Flynn has (although not that many more, if you look it up), but despite a few good performances, his overall stats with the Eagles really weren't that impressive (in fact they're pretty poor, now that I look at them). He was traded based almost entirely on potential.

Kolb's last season as an Eagle he only had a 76.1 passer rating and only averaged 6.3 yards per completion. Those numbers suck ass, actually. Flynn's career passer rating is 92.8 and 7.7 yards per completion. Those numbers are far better than Kolb's. Flynn can also run, which Kolb can't do. Flynn's as good or better than Rodgers as a running QB.

A first is completely out of the question.
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Not really. Cleveland has Atlanta's 22nd overall pick from the Julio Jones trade last year. I think you can make a case that trading the 22nd pick for Flynn is a better risk than spending the 4th pick on RG3, especially since you're not guaranteed to get RG3. Rumor has it Washintgon wants to trade up with the Rams to get him.
 
UniversalWolf said:
and scouted much better than Matt Flynn.
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You misunderstood. Kolb's NFL tape scouts better than Flynn's NFL tape. In fact, Flynn reminds me more than anything of Hasselbeck, and you'll remember that when a bidding war broke out over Hasselbeck, you still did not get a 1st round pick for him. Cassel? Not a first round pick either. Let's stay realistic here.

UniversalWolf said:
arm strength isn't paramount for a QB in Holmgren's WC offense anyway.
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It definitely not, but his deep throws are very erratic in accuracy. On top of that, he is too mechanical in his progression reading, which leads to a slow release that is very troubling in a WCO, though many will attribute this to not enough time with 1st-teams and in real games. He also has holes in his post-snap reading ability, particularly in failing to recognize over coverage and defenders cutting into routes, and if his first read looks decent he locks onto him.

UniversalWolf said:
He was traded based almost entirely on potential.
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Yes. Significantly higher potential than Flynn has. And I thought that trade was retarded.

UniversalWolf said:
Flynn's as good or better than Rodgers as a running QB.
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Not even close, he isn't very athletic. But the footage I scouted (Patriots, Lions, and preseason games versus Seahawks, Browns, Chiefs and Cardinals) have shown me he is a very smart decision maker on when to run, which leads to large gains despite a lack of athleticism.

UniversalWolf said:
Cleveland has Atlanta's 22nd overall pick from the Julio Jones trade last year.
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Cleveland's your best shot, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
Brother None said:
UniversalWolf said:
Flynn's as good or better than Rodgers as a running QB.
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Not even close, he isn't very athletic. But the footage I scouted (Patriots, Lions, and preseason games versus Seahawks, Browns, Chiefs and Cardinals) have shown me he is a very smart decision maker on when to run, which leads to large gains despite a lack of athleticism.
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You're wrong about that. Flynn's running ability is what kept him on the team when he was a rookie.

BTW, Here are pictures of the Aaron Rodgers photobombs. Every week the team votes for three captains, and every week Rodgers sneaks into the captains' photo. Apparently he's been doing it since 2006.

http://www.rodgersphotobomb.com/
 
UniversalWolf said:
BTW, Here are pictures of the Aaron Rodgers photobombs. Every week the team votes for three captains, and every week Rodgers sneaks into the captains' photo. Apparently he's been doing it since 2006.

http://www.rodgersphotobomb.com/
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How did I not know of this? That is brilliant. I actually recognize this picture, it's what my recording of the W17 game opens up with. Didn't realize he was bombing.
 
Brother None said:
Oh no, an upset happened?! IN THE NFL!? No way, surely that changes rational analysis of the AFC completely, and negates how pretty much every division except the North looked like a "least bad of a terrible lot".
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what division was pitt in.......?
 
Yeah, it's not like this is the NFL and weird upsets happen, particularly when involving an aging defense and an injured quarterback. Let's pretend Denver beating out Pittsburgh is somehow proof that the AFC West wasn't the most fucking putrid division we've seen since last year's NFC West.

C'mon eom, you're smarter than this. Leave your Skip Bayless content at home.
 
who wants to get in on a draftstreet.com auction league for 2 bux?
it'd be just for this week, and you can take any players whose salaries add to under 100k (everyone is assigned a salary)

I was gonna make it free but I guess you can't make free leagues.



hey, all I'm sayin' is one week buffalo's steamrolling the nfl in the same division with afc number one seed pats, and the heir apparent jets, and next week the whole division's dreck.

what are you basing all these evaluations on?
as I mentioned, interconference record was very close to .500 --- but I guess all the afc wins were crazy upsets.

edit: hey -- didn't miami, the worst team in adreck division in a horrible conference lose by a point AT dallas, and by 3 AT playoff seeded nyg?
 
eom said:
what are you basing all these evaluations on?
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Oh jeeze, I dunno, I watch football games and make up my own mind? You might wanna try it. Somehow you're confusing that with me claiming the NFL is predictable, or that the past guarantees the future.

You would call the AFC West or South competitive divisions? Or even the East? Bally to your, bro, that's super-well-analyzed by you.

as I mentioned, interconference record was very close to .500 --- but I guess all the afc wins were crazy upsets.
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Anyone home? It pretty much always is. It's called parity, genius, the NFC has a lot of bad teams too.

Interconference is 31-33. AFC North went 10-6 (which is including the putrid Browns, 9-3 without em). Rest of the AFC went 21-27 (or, heh, 22-30)? That's not close to the worst (2004), but it's pretty bad for this parity era.

eom said:
edit: hey -- didn't miami, the worst team in adreck division in a horrible conference lose by a point AT dallas, and by 3 AT playoff seeded nyg?
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The NFC East is joke. In fact, the NFC has a ton of shitty teams. It just fielded a much better playoff group than the AFC, which had too many teams backing their ass into the playoffs (Patriots with a near-historically bad defense, Pittsburgh and Houston with injured quarterbacks, Denver Broncos).
 
uhhhhh....yeah, in our country parity doesn't mean an incredibly lopsided conference situation.
that's more like anti-parity.

the nfc east and west is what now....?

nfc had a couple more teams that looked like they were pulling away from the field, while afc was top to bottom more competitive, that's all.
saying the whole conference is terrible is ridiculous.

how'd that balt/sf turn out?
oh wait, another crazy nfl upset against ne of the more dominant nfc teams.

re Patriots with a near-historically bad defense

hey, motherfucker -- you know which team had a worse defense than new england?
cuz we finished second horribly worst in history this year.
 
eom said:
saying the whole conference is terrible is ridiculous
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Eh, I was overstating for effect. Morever, I was talking in the context of watching playoffs this weekend, you know, where the AFC are fielding significantly less attractive matchups this weekend.

That said, if you can't accept the AFC was worse this year than the NFC, and fielded three weak divisions, I can't help you bro. That doesn't mean the NFC was awesome, parity will always balance sets of teams against one another, but the AFC was worse.

But please, keep bringing up individual matchups like that somehow influences my point. Hah, I bet you think that if the AFC team wins the Superbowl that would invalidate what I'm saying too. Try harder.

eom said:
hey, motherfucker -- you know which team had a worse defense than new england?
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I don't, actually. Who?

I really wish you Patriots fans were harder to troll.
 
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