NFL 2011

I know, I know. TT makin' a name for himself these days. I feel like at the end of his tenure the resounding phrase will be "Brett who?" Heheh.
 
A little less projection and a little more actualization please.
Draft is such a tease...and back to the lockout. Talk about blueballs. These numb-nuts, rookies' impact diminishes everyday. Pity if we can't see them develop enough to contribute to the level they'd be at were they not locked out.

UniversalWolf said:
I love that Pats pick of Mallett.
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I didn't at first, but warming to it (or rationalizing ipso facto as seems to be popular to do around the NFL after the draft. :look: ) I love how they're already grading draft classes, and citing reaches and steals when nobody's gotten fitted for their helmets yet. Any 2012 mock draft sightings yet?:roll:

Ideally, Brady continues following the career path of his idol, and he gets traded before his contract ends for a bounty (maybe even to the same team, eh Pioli). Not a fan of Mallett's Bledsoe-esque statue-like pocket presence though.

Also I have no idea what the Patriots are doing. Two running backs, a quarterback, a cornerback and an offensive tackle. You'd think that their offense was shit last year looking at that list, but they really need pass rushers and D-linemen. And they're not getting them.
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Yeah, they don't seem to consult Mel's Best Available list very often.

This can be rationalized too, but consider it's a 14-2 team that was very young last year, losing nobody and getting back pro-bowl caliber talent on the defense in Warren and Bodden among others (don't forget the stealth FA signing of Stroud). Yeah, it would be nice to have the second coming of Julius Peppers, but what can you reasonably expect to get, right out of the gate, from the 8th best or whoever was available guy there? I don't know if you're going to get instant gratification there, or to what extent those guys can contribute at an NFL level that the Patriots don't already have.
Ya know? Worth the marginal, if any, upgrade instead of grabbing a significantly higher rated CB? Based on how the Pats and Packers shred defenses with the 4 receiver sets, I think competent DBs are going to become more valuable.

Look at the Super Bowl, Steelers have the best pass rush in the game, but not enough #3, #4 cover DBs.

They do have need on O-line (Light and Mankins potentially gone - just drafted another immobile pocket QB too) and their backfield (lawfirm and Woodhead) is really not an NFL backfield by any means.

My only gripe is that the Pats tend to go after guys that other teams wouldn't value or target as high, so when they do actually pick, I question that you couldn't get some of those dudes later (like those 2 HBs).

At least we drafted a QB who can win a playoff game...
 
Kharm - please give me a short synopsis of the draft. I missed it completely.

Who got who and what were the best/worst picks?

Alsoplustoo - do you think the season start will be delayed?
 
Cimms said:
Any 2012 mock draft sightings yet?
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Oh yeah they came out immediately. Such bullshit.

Cimms said:
This can be rationalized too, but consider it's a 14-2 team that was very young last year, losing nobody and getting back pro-bowl caliber talent on the defense in Warren and Bodden among others (don't forget the stealth FA signing of Stroud). Yeah, it would be nice to have the second coming of Julius Peppers, but what can you reasonably expect to get, right out of the gate, from the 8th best or whoever was available guy there? I don't know if you're going to get instant gratification there, or to what extent those guys can contribute at an NFL level that the Patriots don't already have.
Ya know? Worth the marginal, if any, upgrade instead of grabbing a significantly higher rated CB? Based on how the Pats and Packers shred defenses with the 4 receiver sets, I think competent DBs are going to become more valuable.
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Well obviously they didn't think the value was there, otherwise they would've picked someone. But really, they need to get a pass rush going somehow and they have none. Even a developmental guy would be good, but noooooo. Maybe they're counting on injured guys returning and adding a pass rush? Or they want to go after someone in free agency.

DammitBoy said:
Kharm - please give me a short synopsis of the draft. I missed it completely.

Who got who and what were the best/worst picks?

Alsoplustoo - do you think the season start will be delayed?
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Cam Newton to the Panthers, Locker to the Titans, Gabbert to the Jags, Dalton to the Bungles, Mallett dropped all the way to the Pats and the Vikings took Christian Ponder.

Also, both sides would be idiots to let the start of the season be delayed.
 
Sander said:
Also, both sides would be idiots to let the start of the season be delayed.
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Especially after watching a lot of those college highlight packages. What a great infomercial for college ball.

In many ways, the NFL is a lot more conservative, staid and .... boring compared to college. College sets are way more diverse, there's more distinct college offenses than the NFL which is pretty derivative and formulaic at times. Plus you get much more regional flavor with local kids, regional rivalries and school pride. Bigger crowds, more passion, more pagentry, more quirky tradidtions and heritage.

In terms of raw physical displays, the talent disparity in college really lets the top talent shine. You don't get that in the NFL, everybody is predictably competent and businesslike.

College coaches are way more eccentric and quotable too. If only NFL coaches could strong arm their players like college coaches.

Big time college ball is way more intense, one loss and you're pretty much out of it. Never seen college players "rest starters". They fuckin' pour it on until final gun. I still can't beleive people complain about running up the score in the NFL, what a farce. ("The other team feels bad, can you guys not try so hard? I know it's a contract year, but this would mean a lot to their self-esteem.")

Shit, I wouldn't lose much sleep if we got SEC Sunday or a Top 10 matchup every Monday night. I just want to see fools getting laid out.
 
Eh, I don't care much for college ball. A lot of the games are really lopsided, and defense is pretty awful generally. Plus, I have no rooting interest. Sports without rooting interests are really boring.

Besides that, the talent gap is much bigger in college. Yeah, that allows the talent to shine at times, but it also makes for games that are won simply because teams have more talent. At least it does force talentless teams to try quirky schemes. That's fun.
 
DammitBoy said:
Kharm - please give me a short synopsis of the draft. I missed it completely.

Who got who and what were the best/worst picks?
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Why you asking me bruvva? I think the Chiefs did best. The Falcons, in giving up a shitload of picks for a luxury player, did absolutely, bottom-out, worse. Bungles did pretty bad too in drafting Dalton in the 2nd. Got bust written all over him. All the QBs in this class went higher than they should've, except maybe Gabbert. Oh and Mallett I guess.

Patriots drafted a lot of offense for reasons no one understands but Cimm is trying to rationalize above.

DammitBoy said:
Alsoplustoo - do you think the season start will be delayed?
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It shouldn't. It all depends on the 8th circuit's ruling this week.
 
Brother None said:
Patriots drafted a lot of offense for reasons no one understands but Cimm is trying to rationalize above.
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Yeah, at least I'm calling myself out on it.
I don't really care that the Patritots didn't draft a Brooks Reed, I doubt he was the missing piece to the puzzle. I've never seen him play, so yeah, any comments from me would be rationalized by something, umm Mel says he has great edge speed and sets contain well. How the fuck do I know that? If you want to look for reasons a pick was bad, you'll find it and vice versa.

A lot happens between projection and actualization. I was pissed the Pats passed over Sergio Kindle last year. Dude was a steal. Then he fell down the stairs and fractured his cranium and may never play again. End result, 1st round pick that never made the roster - ouch. Can't call him a bust, since it was an accident, I guess we'd still say it was a good pick. But nothing was ever actualized. So who cares how the pick gets 'graded'? Why do we grade something that hasn't pecked it's way out of it's shell yet?

This is all strokery. Nobody knows what the Patriots are doing, just like every other year. I do look forward to seeing how things take shape in the new year. All the talk in between is just that. I'm more interested in what happens when the rubber meets the road.

Eh, I don't care much for college ball. A lot of the games are really lopsided, and defense is pretty awful generally.
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I wouldn't say that, especially not in the power conferences - SEC, BigTen, etc. It's not like that at all. Draft speaks for itself, look at how high some of these defenders go, and where they come from, and look at how dominating some can be - Suh was manhandling dudes from preseason on.
College does run more plays too, it's faster, so I would expect a commensurate spike in offensive numbers.

There's plenty of flat, crappy football in the NFL too. How many Jaguars games could any reasonable person possibly stomach?
 
Even the crappiest NFL football is of a higher quality than, well, any college ball really.
 
Sander said:
Even the crappiest NFL football is of a higher quality than, well, any college ball really.
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That doesn't make it more exciting or fun.
Average attendance at a Michigan game is more than Bucs and Raiders combined. There are at least 10 schools with higher avg. attendance than the biggest NFL stadium (sorry Jerry). So, they're doing something right.
You guys are watching the wrong college games. What top 20 matchups or bowl games have you seen lately?
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
That doesn't make it more exciting or fun.
Average attendance at a Michigan game is more than Bucs and Raiders combined. There are at least 10 schools with higher avg. attendance than the biggest NFL stadium (sorry Jerry). So, they're doing something right.
You guys are watching the wrong college games. What top 20 matchups or bowl games have you seen lately?
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What colleges are doing right is binding students and alumni to the sports program. Or using the sports program to bind them to the university, whatever. Anyway, I don't give a shit who wins in college ball, hence I have no rooting interest, hence it sucks dick.
 
Yeah, same. I tend to draftnik out a bit and watch college tape in the offseason but man is it boring. I know, I know, more turnovers, more excitement, but sloppy games just don't appeal to me that much, and without a rooting interesting it just gets snoozy.

I'd rather watch the UFL.
 
Sander said:
What colleges are doing right is binding students and alumni to the sports program. Or using the sports program to bind them to the university, whatever.
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Pros are more effective at getting in bed with corporations who buy luxury boxes and nice seats to woo business. I wonder how many Lions season tickets and luxury boxes Ford Motors owns. Or Anheiser-Busch in St. Louis etc. etc.
Anyway, I don't give a shit who wins in college ball, hence I have no rooting interest, hence it sucks dick.
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Ironclad.
You need to have a rooting interest to appreciate what Marshall Faulk did in his freshman year? My college had no football either, I just follow the elite matchups.

As long as there are lightning rods like Tebow and Newton you will find a reason to boo too.

I'd rather watch the UFL.
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You're full of it.
 
I've watched college ball. I think I have a pretty good grasp of whether or not I cared who won or lost. I didn't.
 
Yeah, I'm not trying to sell you guys on it, I watch maybe one or two games a month myself. I'm just surprised by how dismissive you are of it.
 
I dunno what conference of college ball you watch regularly, Twinkie, but the Big Ten is pretty mistake-free. We get some good old-fashioned football out here, nothing ridiculous like the triple option or wishbone. Only thing that some teams have tried recently is the spread, and even that'll put you in the cellar if you don't have the athletes to play it (see Indiana, Minnesota, justNorthwestern).
 
Oh, I live in this little ol' nowhere college town called Chapel Hill and was born in WI. No real college teams here or there.

Don't patronize me, dude.
 
Well I live in North Carolina and apparently people are creaming themselves over the fact the Panthers picked up Newton. I really don't see what is so special about him. If anything, he has size. I know they needed a quarterback, but Jimmy Clausen isn't the only reasons why the Panthers went 3-13.

My personal favorite, the New Orleans Saints, had a nice little draft I thought. I don't really like Ingram, but a back that can actually take some hits is enough for me. We addressed our problems on defense. I'm feeling good about this season.
 
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