I wonder how our Lord and Lore-Saviour Someguy37 rationalises this. Maybe Nuka Cola's super-advanced taste engineers came up with a soda so refreshing it allowed them to travel through time.
Nuka Rant
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CerberusGate
I should save my game in a whole new slot
Perhaps a chemical spill opened a hole in the space-time continuum and caused a suit of Enclave Power Armor to fall through?
The current argument is apparently the group that became the Enclave gave a prototype X-01 suit (which are supposed to be the prototypes to Enclave Power Armor somehow) to the Nuka Cola corporation for something...
There are so many questions that this argument creates.
EDIT: Oops, I'm reiterating my point from before. It's still odd that a secret cabal in the government would give up one of their precious prototype suits of superior power armor to a publicly known company and create the risk that someone could break into the display case housing said suit and steal it to copy the design. With that in mind, I'm surprised that the armor is not widely known before the Enclave officially appeared if that suit was on display this whole time.
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RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
Sounds like a certain game dev company tried and failed to copy OWB but failed to understand what made people like that DLC.
Speaking of which, I haven't seen that little shit in quite a while. I wonder what become of him and if he would ever come back here to try to enlighten us with his mind bending rationalizations.
I think he's been back a few weeks ago in one of the News threads, telling us that it's totally fine that Nuka Cola has military technology for theme park protection and does chemical engineering for the Army because they have the best chemists who apparently can enhance nuclear weapons because they're basically the biggest company in the world or whatever.Sounds like a certain game dev company tried and failed to copy OWB but failed to understand what made people like that DLC.
Speaking of which, I haven't seen that little shit in quite a while. I wonder what become of him and if he would ever come back here to try to enlighten us with his mind bending rationalizations.
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CerberusGate
I should save my game in a whole new slot
Oh... that guy...
Knowing his type, he'll be back to rationalize and insult everyone while maintaining a lack of self awareness while we indulge him by actually responding to him rather than reasonably ignoring him.
He rarely actually insults people, though. That's why he's so infuriating to some here, he manages a facade of calm condecension while saying things that are pretty much bullshit, but he's saying them in a way that are barely attackable. It's really fun to see how he gets to people.
/edit: http://www.nma-fallout.com/threads/...rmation-are-online.206829/page-9#post-4174344 Glorious.
CerberusGate
I should save my game in a whole new slot
Checking that thread again, that's true though he has cracked a couple of times and threw out a bunch of insults which is pretty amusing in retrospect. Perhaps he's saving up more rationalization and smug superiority when Bethesda's Fallout 5 (or Fallout 4 Complete edition) is announced...
Yeah, he does insult people sometimes, although it's rarely anything worse than "dingus". Slipped in a few "retards" and stuff like that, but it's very amusing that it's usually the other users that are more openly aggressive and insulting towards him than the other way around.
I like it when he's around. Still hope that people here will finally learn to not let him get to them, although I do admit that it's hard due to his smug and condescending attitude.
CerberusGate
I should save my game in a whole new slot
There never was much hope. Just a fool's hope.
Perhaps someday we will learn to stop responding to trolls and simply let them run around chasing their own tails. I think some of the other user's responses tend to escalate since he refuses to acknowledge their own points when making his own 'rational' points.
Brivoo
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For all its incredible geneticists, chemists, nuclear physicists and more, Nuka World sure does have some terrible programmers.
I mean, the reason we're given as to why the robots are hostile is because they were originally using "a modified version of their combat AI", which strikes me as very lazy and incredibly dangerous. It basically amounts to deleting the "if human" part of the code. What, could Mr. Nuka not afford a basic robotics programmer to take a look at them?
Yeah, there's arena fights too, but not all of the robots take part in that, and it's not like our own Robot Wars is one glitch away from turning into a bloodbath.
Although, come to think it of it, how can a Mr. Handy use its nuka sprayer to attack? It's not like its combat AI has any drives to tell it how to utilize it unless it was able to learn to adapt its refreshments AI on its own...
I may be looking into this a bit too much.
I mean, the reason we're given as to why the robots are hostile is because they were originally using "a modified version of their combat AI", which strikes me as very lazy and incredibly dangerous. It basically amounts to deleting the "if human" part of the code. What, could Mr. Nuka not afford a basic robotics programmer to take a look at them?
Yeah, there's arena fights too, but not all of the robots take part in that, and it's not like our own Robot Wars is one glitch away from turning into a bloodbath.
Although, come to think it of it, how can a Mr. Handy use its nuka sprayer to attack? It's not like its combat AI has any drives to tell it how to utilize it unless it was able to learn to adapt its refreshments AI on its own...
I may be looking into this a bit too much.
The problem is, that Bethesda is trying to hammfist this humans-are-bad! Into the Fallout game when ever possible.
When it comes to subtle themes and writing, they simply can't do it. This is something that I noticed a while ago, not just with Fallout games, but with Elder Scrolls as well.
Take Fallout 1 as example. As it was explained already many times by other people, the way how Nuclear Weapons have been treated in Fallout, was unique in the way that despite the fact that they destroyed the world, it had some role in saving the wasteland from the Master - depending on your choices. Oh the irony! I guess a lot of people miss it, I mean I probably havn't thought about it the first time, but our lizard-brain knows it! Which is what gives games like F1 a lot of debth. And there are a few of those examples. Either in the loore of Fallout or the game itself with the quests.
When you play a Beth game though, and something like that comes up, it always ends up with some psycho or megalomaniac or some totally stupid stuff like a company using combat robots in their theme park ... and ooop! Someone forgot to disarm them! How silly of uss!
I am not sure though, if Beth is doing this on purpose, because they feel their playerbase is just a bunch of Troglodytes that wouldn't understand an intriguing theme and plot if it hit them with a seldge hamer, or if they simply can't writte it better.
The last time where I felt they made a really good job, was with Morrowind and the politics that play there and the way how slavery works in the game. It's there, but it's not throwin in your face all the time, and you can decide to do something against it, but you can not abbolish it. Because it is a part of Morrowind and Morrowinds society. And you are just one single individual after all. This makes it very realistic. And very disturbing. But in a good way.
When it comes to subtle themes and writing, they simply can't do it. This is something that I noticed a while ago, not just with Fallout games, but with Elder Scrolls as well.
Take Fallout 1 as example. As it was explained already many times by other people, the way how Nuclear Weapons have been treated in Fallout, was unique in the way that despite the fact that they destroyed the world, it had some role in saving the wasteland from the Master - depending on your choices. Oh the irony! I guess a lot of people miss it, I mean I probably havn't thought about it the first time, but our lizard-brain knows it! Which is what gives games like F1 a lot of debth. And there are a few of those examples. Either in the loore of Fallout or the game itself with the quests.
When you play a Beth game though, and something like that comes up, it always ends up with some psycho or megalomaniac or some totally stupid stuff like a company using combat robots in their theme park ... and ooop! Someone forgot to disarm them! How silly of uss!
I am not sure though, if Beth is doing this on purpose, because they feel their playerbase is just a bunch of Troglodytes that wouldn't understand an intriguing theme and plot if it hit them with a seldge hamer, or if they simply can't writte it better.
The last time where I felt they made a really good job, was with Morrowind and the politics that play there and the way how slavery works in the game. It's there, but it's not throwin in your face all the time, and you can decide to do something against it, but you can not abbolish it. Because it is a part of Morrowind and Morrowinds society. And you are just one single individual after all. This makes it very realistic. And very disturbing. But in a good way.
Makes you wonder what Disney was probably hiding under his theme park!
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CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
The Hubologists were comically stupid and got themselves killed even if you did everything for them on the spaceship.
They were a pisstake of scientology and doomed to failure true. They also had knowledgable scientists working on a space shuttle, access to a reliable fuel source and a high tech base with working force field emitters and other pre war tech. They were a comical pisstake but not outright simpletons.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
I'm not entirely sure of that given the AH-9 guy could talk with the Moron Chosen One.
Still, I don't think the Cult Leader is deluded about the Graviton.
I think she's just leading her sheep on a wild goose chase.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
Nuka World is the greatest thing to come out of Fallout 4.
Unfortunately, it underscores everything wrong with Fallout 4, which is primarily the fact it's Bethesda trying to retread New Vegas and not quite getting it right. Fallout 4 is about four conflicting factions battling it out with lots of focus on the Companions (which they, thankfully, 80% got right).
It doesn't have what Bethesda does best and that's amazing environments and places you want to visit for the beautiful spectacle. With the exception of Vault 81, the Glowing Sea, and a few spots like the USS Constitution, there's not enough (nonsexual) eye candy in this game.
Fallout 3 managed to make the Capital Wasteland into an amazing number of creepy and sad environments where a teddy bear in the wind next to an environment shelter invoked more pathos than most characters. The Commonwealth was just an endless sea of swampland and nearly identical settlements.
Even the VAULTS were boring. The VAULTS people. Something you should be legally impossible to **** up.
And then....SALVATION.
NUKA WORLD!
This is me in Nuka World.
SPECTACLE!
SPECTACLE EVERYWHERE!
BEAUTIFUL RIDES, CRAZY ENVIRONMENTS, HILARIOUSLY OVERTHETOP ADVENTURES!
It was....so wonderful.
And even then, underdeveloped.
God, why couldn't this have been Fallout 4?
Unfortunately, it underscores everything wrong with Fallout 4, which is primarily the fact it's Bethesda trying to retread New Vegas and not quite getting it right. Fallout 4 is about four conflicting factions battling it out with lots of focus on the Companions (which they, thankfully, 80% got right).
It doesn't have what Bethesda does best and that's amazing environments and places you want to visit for the beautiful spectacle. With the exception of Vault 81, the Glowing Sea, and a few spots like the USS Constitution, there's not enough (nonsexual) eye candy in this game.
Fallout 3 managed to make the Capital Wasteland into an amazing number of creepy and sad environments where a teddy bear in the wind next to an environment shelter invoked more pathos than most characters. The Commonwealth was just an endless sea of swampland and nearly identical settlements.
Even the VAULTS were boring. The VAULTS people. Something you should be legally impossible to **** up.
And then....SALVATION.
NUKA WORLD!
This is me in Nuka World.
SPECTACLE!
SPECTACLE EVERYWHERE!
BEAUTIFUL RIDES, CRAZY ENVIRONMENTS, HILARIOUSLY OVERTHETOP ADVENTURES!
It was....so wonderful.
And even then, underdeveloped.
God, why couldn't this have been Fallout 4?
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Atomic weaponry, FEV virus and massive stockpiles of automatic weapons.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
Bradberton's fate was my favorite part of the DLC.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
A worse rip off of House and the Sierra Madrid? Lol.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
It's an homage to Walt Disney's urban legend fate as a cryogenically preserved head under Disneyland's Epoct Center. Which I wouldn't be surprised was an inspiration for Mister House but there's enough Howard Hughes craziness to justify that anyway.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
That's it? I get it that they're trying to take inspiration from Disney but isn't that heavy handed?