Russia attacks Ukraine

zegh8578 said:
they had expected little-to-no resistance.
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People should learn what they packed because of what little resistance they expected.

- 60 bullets and 2 mags. one in the gun and a back up. some guys has only had 1 mag.
- a can of beans.
- a days worth of water if they were lucky.
- All had Dress Uniforms for the inevitable victory parade in the streets of Kiev.
 
Igor Volobuev, vice president of state-owned Gazprombank, said he has fled Russia to fight alongside Ukrainian forces, becoming at least the fourth top executive or official known have made an abrupt exit from the country.
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“I couldn’t watch from the sidelines what Russia was doing to my homeland,” Volobuev, who was born in the northeastern Ukrainian town of Okhtyrka, said in interviews published late Tuesday.

“The Russians were killing my father, my acquaintances and close friends. My father lived in a cold basement for a month. People I had known since childhood told me they were ashamed of me.”
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Volobuev also questioned official explanations of the back-to-back murder-suicides of former Gazprombank Vice President Vladislav Avaev in Moscow and former energy giant Novatek top manager Sergei Protosenya in Spain.

“I don’t believe that those were suicides,” he told liga.net, adding that Avail’s death may have been “staged because he may have known too much.”
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https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022...utive-flees-russia-to-join-ukraine-war-a77500
 
According to some think tanks out there, the formula you need is 1 Soldier per 50 citizen, quote : A recent Rand Corp. study by military analyst James Quinlivan concluded that the bare minimum ratio to provide security for the inhabitants of an occupied territory, let alone deal with an active insurgency, is one to 50.

I have serious doubts the Russian military actually has the manpower and resources here to secure those Regions in the long term. Particularly the further west Russia goes the more likely will they encounter active ressistance. But instead of withdrawing it will probably lead to more escalation. As we've been seeing already happening with the Russian military concentrating their fire also on more civilian targets.

All of this will not end pretty. And it won't be over soon.
 
Crni Vuk said:
According to some think tanks out there, the formula you need is 1 Soldier per 50 citizen, quote : A recent Rand Corp. study by military analyst James Quinlivan concluded that the bare minimum ratio to provide security for the inhabitants of an occupied territory, let alone deal with an active insurgency, is one to 50.

I have serious doubts the Russian military actually has the manpower and resources here to secure those Regions in the long term. Particularly the further west Russia goes the more likely will they encounter active ressistance. But instead of withdrawing it will probably lead to more escalation. As we've been seeing already happening with the Russian military concentrating their fire also on more civilian targets.

All of this will not end pretty. And it won't be over soon.
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Wouldn't it be the Ukraine holding the particular regions against an insurrection? They were supposed to be Russia-friendly in the first place.
But yeah, Russia trying to conquer the entire Ukraine is not going to be fun for them.
Heh, remember when a war just stopped when the government surrendered? Now it's like "Nah, jungle and sandbox showed that if you just keep on with guerrilla warfare you can just make shit go away. And nobody actually has a big enough army to stop such an insurrection".
 
eissa said:
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Collaborators *are* gonna happen, even ethnic Ukrainians will sell their own people out - happens everywhere, in every war. When the Germans invaded Norway, the traitors were just Norwegians, not German-Norwegians or any such. Just traitor scum.

That said, yeah - there will be tons of rampant anti-Russian sentiment, seen stories of Russians harassed in Kazakhstan, for example - and to Russia, this is a boon; free propaganda - "Look, more liberation needed!"
We have significant Russian diaspora in Norway, in particular _a whole Russian town_ in Svalbard, that the Russians very, very deliberately maintain as an incentive for invasion - so to "liberate" them.
 
They are struggling so much with just part of Ukraine. Maybe they can take that little region in Moldova if they work across the south, but kinda seems like they'd be heading for another collapse if it went further than that.
 
Transnistria is essentially same as Donbass - it already is functionally independent, and already occupied by Russian "peace-keeping" forces, and Russia would only have to connect Transnistria to Russian-occupied Ukraine to make it contigous.
That's why I got so aggitated some time ago, when people were war-drumming about Russian "plans to invade Moldova" - I mean, they might, they're clearly fucking stupid - but there's no need to _invade_ Transnistria, since they are already pro-Russian and already occupied by Russian forces.
 
Security Measure OR Human Rights Abuse?

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zegh8578 said:
I mean, they might, they're clearly fucking stupid - but there's no need to _invade_ Transnistria, since they are already pro-Russian and already occupied by Russian forces.
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Have you actually seen how small Putins dick is by now? There is a need.
 
donperkan said:
In a war, heroes die for their country while traitors die for their beliefs
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Maybe with combatants, because that requires some conviction. Others are just insecure shits, who's "time to shine" has finally come

Locally, our most notorious traitor was exactly that - this self-loathing dude. Nothing I've read of him suggests he had much conviction of anything, other than being a kind of self-imposed social reject, short and dark and awkward, he had been rejected from the Finnish military, when he tried to fight in the Winter war, before that, he made a cretin of himself stealing from his family.
German recruiters noticed him "from a mile away" and immediately flattered him up - employing him as a henchman and torturer, making him a leader of his own street-gang.
Even as he went around torturing locals in his little torture dungeon - personally killing at least 40 people (plus over a 1000 cases of torture + deportations to German camps), this wasn't enough for his fragile ego, and he had to make up stories about journes into Murmansk, where he killed tons of communists, and was decorated with a buch of medals. His name is still associated with not only treason (along with Quisling, our Hitler-loving prime minister at the time!) but also this sense of pathetic, aimless, self-serving sadism, as soon as he was given the chance. Hateful man. Blindfolded, tied up and shot in 1947 (:D)
 
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Of course, everyone who choose the loosing side must be demonized by the victors. How else do we justify the horrible things we had to do in order to win?
 
Um, who's being "demonized"?
Like, if you have a torture-dungeon, you're pretty much demonizing yourself, you need no help to appear derranged.
 
amid fears that Russia is gonna try to provoke conflict in Moldova. Moldova is a member of the EU. if Russia pushes for an invasion of Moldova next. will all of Europe get involved then?
 
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