Scientology?

A scam? Plenty of religions are scams. The whole Catholic church is a scam and is richer than Scientology. But I don't see any threads showing pictures mocking the Catholic church or calling them out for just being another sect meant to make people lose money. No?
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Major religions aren't built on sucking money out of pockets of the stupids. Their point is to be afraid of the sky-wizard and not do "bad" things (or at least be sorry for them, okay?).

Just in case, I'm being ironic on the sky-wizard thing, I'm not a DEAL WITH IT atheist.
 
Neamos said:
Major religions aren't build on sucking money out of pockets of the stupids. Their point is to be afraid of the sky-wizard and not do "bad" things (or at least be sorry for them, okay?).
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The point of Scientology is to help psychologically distraught people. And in doing so, they take your money. While Scientology is certainly more blatant about taking money, how is the principle of the matter any different?
 
Brother None said:
Neamos said:
Major religions aren't build on sucking money out of pockets of the stupids. Their point is to be afraid of the sky-wizard and not do "bad" things (or at least be sorry for them, okay?).
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The point of Scientology is to help psychologically distraught people. And in doing so, they take your money. While Scientology is certainly more blatant about taking money, how is the principle of the matter any different?
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Yeah just like I was saying, on paper it sounds good. They do have a good basis there, but the fact is this is just a front and they have corrupted the 'good idea' (if indeed it was ever meant to be an honest one) in exchange for money and an army of followers who will sustain thier income.

The very basics of Scientology are sound, its the people running the show who are corrupting and abusing peoples faith to make money and gain power.

Scientology really makes me angry.

EDIT: Hubbologist FTW!
 
Brother None said:
I find this thread very amusing.

Now, Scientology is indeed just a scam, but what's with all this "that's insane" talk? Lost Metal is right, y'know...

How is the story of Scientology and Xenu any crazier than that of Jesus Christ walking on water, God creating earth in 6 days or Muhammed lifting a mountain?

Answer: it's not.

Scientology as a religion (and it's not, I mean not really, it purveys to be a form of psychology) is not more or less crazy than any other. But unlike the others, we haven't been indoctrinated to "live and let live" when it comes to Scientology. And that's simply unfair. Mormonism is at least as "made up" as Scientology, yet it's not treated the same way.
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I agree completely, I have no problems with scientology and think we should live and let live with the worshippers of xenu, even if I think its wacky (skewed frame of cultural reference, like you said about indoctrinized acceptance,I acknowledge this).

But the problems is a problem that is also paralleled in mormon systemn of beleif. They are a business. A business with a devout spiritual following, but a business none the less. Thats not so bad, when you put it that way... even if they are a little wacky, obsessive, definitely aggresive (middle ages style), and very secret obsessed, prizing ignorance over knowledge (zen???) ...but theres one more factor that changes that really makes the big difference.

They are a tax exempt business.
That is not okay. This is, in specific, an American problem. They have infiltrated the IRS (infiltrate is not an overexageration, this was an aggresive infiltration with the attempt at taking over and recording the inner workings to be relayed to an outside organization, this could be construed as terrorism and/or treason). After infiltrating hte IRS and getting a very detailed understanding of the inner workings of the IRS, they sued the IRS and used blackmail over and over and over for tax exempt status (which no religion should have in the first place outside of charitable works). They eventually got the IRS to settle out of court after repeated waves of litigation ad nauseum. Not only are they tax exempt, they have a special tax exempt status that allows them to write off nearly anything as tax deductible, stuff that other religions are STILL not allowed to write off are allowed for the church of scientology. They have effectively taken themselves from a non-recognized religion (which is bullshit, needing to be recognized is absurd) to a religion that gets special treatment by our government.

Its an iffy line, im not against the beleifs of all the Xenu wackos, but I do think the organization itself is incredibly corrupt and should be on the borderline of the terrorist-watchlist.



Oh, and about anonymous, you clearly dont understand what they are aiming for by making that statement.

Also, psychology and medicine requires a registration and license in order to be able to use, scientology does not, that is a pretty big difference in what they do.
 
The point is, what is the purpose of scjentology? And how giving money to them helps anyone? Church at least helps poor people and do charity. Plus, religions like Christianity introduces people to strong moral rules (yeah, I know many of catholic priests don't follow them, but that is not the point).

What does scjentology do, except for milking cash out of dumb-ass hollywood stars and bussinesmen?

Why aren't other big religions slandered? Because we can't really question them - anyone lived 2 thousand years ago to check if Jesus Christ even existed? Thought so. And this guy comes up with a ridiculous story and expects people to believe it. And we CAN tell how credible is he.

And for all other reason - we got evolution of man. Christianity can be at least interpreted to fit into evolution. And scjentology? People were brought from outer space, killed, made into ghosts and those ghosts inhabited the spirits of people that weren't killed (how DID they survive anyway?)? How does this fit into theory of evolution, where did Xenu and our ancestors come from the first place?

Heh, I try to be a tolerant person, but sometimes I am prejudiced. Nothing to be done about it. Scjentology isn't only a useless to society religion, but an organization focused on fucking others, who are not with them.
 
I don't mean to be rude, ravager, but that whole statement makes you seem really dense.
There is so much wrong with it I don't even know where to begin.
 
Is there? My point is, that they are not only useless, because they don't offer anything new or interesting, but also they can prove to be a threat. I look at them from a practical view.

P.S. If you'd mind pointing out the flaws in my post, I'd appreciate. I know my debating skills are a bit lame at the moment, so there'd be no harm in showing me what I do wrong.
 
i'm not worried. the Flying Spaghetti Monster will make short work of them anyway.
 
Come on guys, they had an awesome nuclear EXPLOSION! How can a religion not be TEH COOL35T if there is a man made nuclear explosion!!

I'm joining!


Anywho, Scientology is a farcicle, sorry excuse for a religion, and my thoughts are with the many people who posted before me.
 
Religion is not practical in a shortsighted sense, and that isnt a realistic way to judge other peoples philosophies.

It works like this, crazy alien overlord = not weirder than jesus, as BN said.

floating guys in the sky, walking on water, this shit is bizarre. Also, according to scientology, they have a rather robust history, and you have NO proof that overlord xenu did not rule some planet and all the thetans and then put them in volcanoes and blow them up and then they infested our bodies. This is entirely historically possible to have happened 75 million years ago.
 
And again - was Xenu the creator of the world or was he created?

Scjentology does not answer some very important questions and that sucks if it tries to be a religion.

Because, from what I make out of it, 75 million years ago there were aliens. And humans. And civilization way more developed than ours. Where. Did. They. Come. From. ?. Maybe God created them? If so, we shouldn't worship Xenu (is he considered a deity?), but God (Christianity's God, Jewish God, whatever). I know we should let people think what they want, but shit, this is ridiculous.

Anyway, not that I'm going to do anything about them, they just seem....not credible, that's all. Screw them, if they don't bother me, let them be.
 
How is the story of Scientology and Xenu any crazier than that of Jesus Christ walking on water, God creating earth in 6 days or Muhammed lifting a mountain?

Answer: it's not.
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Then how do you discern mentally ill patients from overly religious people?

Answer: You don't.

I'm sorry but Scientology as a novel was written as a work of fiction, that people have blown so far out of proportion it isn't even funny.

Personally I don't make a middleman, I think everybody's crazy when it comes to spiritual belief, it's the closest thing to truth that you can get with all this nonsense thrown about these days.

If I went around and started shouting about the emperor from the warhammer 40K series, I'd be considered a bloody whackjob.

What about Scooby Doo, a talking dog's gotta be a god.

What about the Hardy boys! Prophets I say!

Each and every one of these statements would likely put me at the very least into a shrink's office, if not to the funny farm if I actually believed in them.

However this Scientology rubbish is perfectly sane?

I think not.
 
Mord_Sith said:
If I went around and started shouting about the emperor from the warhammer 40K series, I'd be considered a bloody whackjob.
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That's because everyone sane worships Khorne.
"Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne!"
 
Odd, I must have been misinformed then, it was my understanding that it was originally created as a work of fiction that some people took as fact and ran with it to the far side of the moon.

Either way it's no better than toilet paper to me really.
 
A scam? Plenty of religions are scams. The whole Catholic church is a scam and is richer than Scientology. But I don't see any threads showing pictures mocking the Catholic church or calling them out for just being another sect meant to make people lose money. No?
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What? I thought you were a religious person....
Its an iffy line, im not against the beleifs of all the Xenu wackos, but I do think the organization itself is incredibly corrupt and should be on the borderline of the terrorist-watchlist.
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I am against their beliefs, because they are stupid. Just because it's a religion doesn't make it be beyond criticism.
 
As usual I agree with BN on this one.
And I'm Catholic, (so I should know exactly what God really thinks).

Neamos said:
A scam? Plenty of religions are scams. The whole Catholic church is a scam and is richer than Scientology. But I don't see any threads showing pictures mocking the Catholic church or calling them out for just being another sect meant to make people lose money. No?
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Major religions aren't build on sucking money out of pockets of the stupids. Their point is to be afraid of the sky-wizard and not do "bad" things (or at least be sorry for them, okay?).

Just in case, I'm being ironic on the sky-wizard thing, I'm not a DEAL WITH IT atheist.
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Hmmm.. How do you know. Where you there? Maybe religion is merely a means to political power and political power a means to enrichment?

Ideology is one of the great sources of social power- and religion is ideological power incarnate.
 
I'm sorry Kharn, but where the Scientologists "charge" their people money I willingly give mine away. In fact I'm not even asked for it so I don't see how you can compare Scientology and Christianity.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
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