So why did Chris want the wasteland nuked in lonesome road at the end of it?

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by TheHouseAlwaysWins, Jul 27, 2019.

  1. TheHouseAlwaysWins

    TheHouseAlwaysWins Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Nov 28, 2015
    I heard the original ending had you nuke both the legion and the NCR and there was no way out of it. So can anybody tell me the purpose of this ending actually? Is it a meta way of obsidian saying theyre done with the IP?
  2. Sublime

    Sublime It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jun 5, 2018
    If I remember correctly, it's that Chris believed civilization had gone too far in Wastes, turning Fallout from a post-apocalyptic series to a post-postapocalyptic one. Same reason he created the tunnelers, basically
  3. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Oct 26, 2016
    I always figured tunnelers were the big middle-finger from CA.
  4. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    "lol the tunnelers will destroy the Mojave"
    "Lol big mountain is releasing abominations into the mojave"
    "Lol the cloud will one day swallow the Mojave"

    All of the dlc apart from honest hearts were really trying to re-apocalpyse-ing the wasteland.
  5. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Van Buren/FONV woulda shoulda been the natural culmination (and imo final conclusion) of a Fallout series
    1. Pure post apo, but with signs of civilizations regrouping: Major city-states take shape, and begin trading with minor independent villages
    2. City states form networks, large territories are organized, defended, patrolled. You see administrative centres and their satellites, you see organized military forces. You see serious rivalries between powers.
    3. Fully fledged countries, complete with social tiers, fully rehabilitated urban centres (in particular in for example NCR heartland, not shown, but alluded to), standing armies, political systems in competition - humanity repaired for good and for bad.

    The only way to continue the franchise from here would be to nuke everything again, which... would be a bit... forced? But I can def see that mindset, the want to nuke it all again, for that exact reason, if not only to make a statement.
  6. TheHouseAlwaysWins

    TheHouseAlwaysWins Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Nov 28, 2015

    NV was the original Fallout 4 in the timeline. The legion would only be foreshadowed in Van Buren.

    I had an idea for a Fallout 5 where the Legion would collapse into multiple kingdoms and the NCR would become butthurt over the events of New Vegas, becoming largely fascist/reactionary and unable to let go. There would also be other new nations and city states and you got a situation for a huge multi sided conflict.
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  7. VaultNoodles

    VaultNoodles First time out of the vault

    Oct 18, 2019
    There's a mod that basically does all of those things called Dust. CA must be proud.

    I can see where that view comes from, but personally I enjoy seeing how the world has recovered. I want to see the new cultures, the new social structures, etc. I suppose it may not be very close to the original intentions for fallout, though.

    Either way, another disaster is still a better solution than "oh look it's been 200 years and no one has rebuilt a single thing" like another company we know has been doing...
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  8. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Vault Fossil

    Jun 15, 2015
    That would actually be really interesting. Its just too bad that the company and creative team that has the Fallout license will never put the thought, creativity or effort that you would put into a Fallout 5 and instead will probably do something like NCR vs Brotherhood of Steel for the dumb pop-a-mole crowd and it will be just as well written and memorable as the Civil War quest line in Skyrim. :V EHnuzyzWoAAy-LM.png
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  9. Lexx

    Lexx Background Radiant

    Apr 24, 2005
    At the end of the game you'd also have to bomb at least one location, because of the B.O.M.B. satellite auto-targeting system on the New Plague infected areas. Personally I thought it was a pretty good idea.
    Lonesome Road pretty much picked up that idea and did something very similar with it.
  10. Eshanas

    Eshanas Mildly Dipped

    Jul 6, 2016
    Because despite his writing talent he's a short-sighted dolt like most people who just wants Mad-Max shootem-ups in the game. The whole point of Fallout is Society emerging and growing from the war, not nukes and monsters and raiders and little podunk settlements.