Star Wars: Rogue One

Hassknecht said:
Wasn't the original trilogy all about suicide missions?
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That's the rub, though, isn't it? They are suicide missions...which they survive and triumph over.

I'm not saying everyone should have survived but I think 1-3 survivors wouldn't have been better.

Yes, it absolutely IS Star Wars to do a suicide mission. It's always been about sacrifice and the greater good and whatnot. It's a space opera after all :D

Also, as we already know CT, your 8/10 means jiggly shit.
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I liked the movie, felt it was good, but could have been better. :)
 
CT Phipps said:
That's the rub, though, isn't it? They are suicide missions...which they survive and triumph over.

I'm not saying everyone should have survived but I think 1-3 survivors wouldn't have been better.



I liked the movie, felt it was good, but could have been better. :)
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Well, at some point statistics win. Can't beat the odds. Well, I haven't seen the movie yet (monday's the day), but I do like the idea of a slightly grittier Star Wars mixed with a war movie. Certainly won't mind them shaking up the themes a bit.
 
Hassknecht said:
Well, at some point statistics win. Can't beat the odds. Well, I haven't seen the movie yet (monday's the day), but I do like the idea of a slightly grittier Star Wars mixed with a war movie. Certainly won't mind them shaking up the themes a bit.
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I think you'll enjoy it.

Even so, I might have still enjoyed it if the music wasn't so forgettable.
 
CT Phipps said:
1. This is about a galaxy far far away where morality is literally real rather than figuratively. It's also escapist entertainment for children and teaching lessons to kids about right and wrong.
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To be fair, there is nothing saying that the Dark Side is evil, and the Light Side is good, that's just everyone's interpretation of it. And I'm sure many Sith would argue that they are the good guys.
 
CT Phipps said:
1. This is about a galaxy far far away where morality is literally real rather than figuratively. It's also escapist entertainment for children and teaching lessons to kids about right and wrong.
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That's your take away from it. People find many different things in Star Wars.
I'd say that Luke's journey does not reflect your synopsis.

CT Phipps said:
2. Rebellions by and large fail in reality whether they use ruthless methods or not because reality is governed by all sorts of crazy things. People often point to Vietnam as a successful "insurgency" but the Viet Cong were deliberately destroyed by North Vietnam in a Uriah Gambit (see TV tropes) to get rid of them and the war won by the actual country. The United States is also the product of a guerilla insurgency and that was built on doing their best to be all legitimate for the rest of the world.
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And yet the VC were quite instrumental to the NVA's victory.
They tied up a lot of troops, limited support to the ARV.
The VC did horrible things to their own country men. But in the end, they helped getting the job done.

You'll find that brutality of outnumbered defenders or rebels does indeed have a deep impact on the battle and not necessarily a negative one.

CT Phipps said:
The thing is, the ones which actually tend to be successful usually have governments and organization (plus foreign support but that ties into the fact that said groups tend to be more than just gangs of partisans). Those that degenerate into terrorism and warlordism tend to alienate their populace with even those that engage in attacks against civilians usually doing their best to avoid hitting their own people.
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And yet some of Africa is the polar opposite of your description? Small extremely brutal bands led by warlord can carve out a space for them to rule, even without local support.
You're stuck in very western thinking.

CT Phipps said:
3. It's a question of whether it makes a better story to darken it up or not. What does it say about the saga as a whole?
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I like the darker undertones of the original trilogy and a lot of the fan base also liked the darker movies better than the more upbeat ones.
 
SuAside said:
I like the darker undertones of the original trilogy and a lot of the fan base also liked the darker movies better than the more upbeat ones.
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Empire Strikes Back is my favourite because it's darker and the fact the Empire is actually a threat rather than incompetent.
 
I have been invited by a friend to go to a special showing in Barcelona, the actors are supposed to come and shit. Should I get the homemade explosives or will I enjoy it if I only found TFA passable at most? And i'm one of "those guys" that prefer the prequels/Clone Wars, DWI
 
SarcasticGoodGuy said:
@Arnust I'm also one of those guys, but I liked it. Go and see it.
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It's free anyway
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Terrible movie, filled with fanservice and completely lacking in any kind of emotional connection.

Characters, both hero and villain, were dull and lacking in any kind of personality, with Forrest Whitaker doing his best at a Jar Jar Binks impression. The beginning was a mess, the music was forgettable and the ending was like watching a real time strategy battle game it was so mechanical. The scenes with Darth Vader were borderline cringeworthy to sit through, "Don't chose on your ambitions" as he chokes someone. Ugh.

People can say, "it's good because it's dark" all day long but that doesn't stop it being a terrible movie.
 
Earth said:
it's good because it's dark
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I don't think anyone here is saying it's only good because it's dark. That's a pretty stupid generalization. Also, how is a militant terrorist crippled black guy Jar Jar Binks... what are the criteria for doing a Jar Jar Binks impression? Being black and having a funny accent? Also, I'll take a page of CT Phipp's book and mention that saying something doesn't cut it. WHY are they dull and lacking in personality? And what other Star Wars characters do you consider better?

I will admit the music was terrible, and the beginning was okay, but at least it wasn't filler (cough, looking at you Return of the Jedi) or meh (Empire Strikes Back). Only a New Hope got the beginning right, but I consider Rogue One a superior movie. The ending, different strokes for different people. I think it's the best ending in Star Wars yet.

Also about it being fanservice... that's kind of common in Star Wars to be honest. Leia was in a slave bikini for a reason...
 
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Dr Fallout said:
I liked how the movie shook up the old Star Wars formula to something new and interesting.
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Uhm, its probably the most derivative Star Wars movie after The Force Awakens.

"Group of ragtag misfits, Death Star, Father issues, and big space/land battle at the end."

Only one thing is different at the end.
 
CT Phipps said:
Uhm, its probably the most derivative Star Wars movie after The Force Awakens.

"Group of ragtag misfits, Death Star, Father issues, and big space/land battle at the end."

Only one thing is different at the end.
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Yeah okay, the first one is true. The Death Star is in it, but it's never destroyed nor damaged. Rather then it being a 'threat' and soon destroyed, it actually fulfills it's purpose and shows close up to viewer how destructive it is. Basically, it makes the Death Star something to take seriously (I mean, the Alderaan destruction thing was... kind of hard to care about, where as giant waves of rock and the ground spitting into space... woah). Umm no, not really. Father issues usually mean there's something wrong with the relationship between father and offspring, or that the father has a problem that negatively affects the offspring but that's not the case. What do you expect?

All in all, those are some really small differences (apart from the first and last) that ignore large parts of how the film is different.
 
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