Star Wars: Rogue One

What is the point or gain from destroying a planet to an empire? And again ,the very fact that there is a "Space jerusalem" is absolutely retarded. These are just floating cities in space then. How do you keep hold of whole planets without having to breed a whole planet of troops to manage it?
 
What is the point or gain from destroying a planet to an empire? And again ,the very fact that there is a "Space jerusalem" is absolutely retarded. These are just floating cities in space then. How do you keep hold of whole planets without having to breed a whole planet of troops to manage it?

Amusingly, I was just about to post:

Also, if one reads the Imperial Handbook you can learn more about them. For example, Tarkin wrote a section in it detailing the plans and ideals of the Empire, and yes they're fascists all right. War is the natural state of things, and the Empire must expand to stay relevant and escape stagnancy.

I always liked WEG because it said the Empire actually couldn't control the galaxy by direct rule and had a really tiny but very mobile force compared to the rest of the galaxy. Whole planets had 2000 soldiers on them, but it worked because they could call in ISDs.

They needed the Death Star because without it as a terror weapon, they were fucked.

As for destroying a planet, the whole point is you destroy one to intimidate 1000.
 
Whole planets had 2000 soldiers on them? I am sure my little thrid world country has more than double that amount of soldiers, and something like the US or China probably has Exponenetialy more soldiers than that.
 
Whole planets had 2000 soldiers on them? I am sure my little thrid world country has more than double that amount of soldiers, and something like the US or China probably has Exponenetialy more soldiers than that.

Yep, albeit said planets may have populations which consist of a single city. This isn't the most populated galaxy.

The point, however, was that your PCs and the heroes of the galaxy wouldn't have millions of troops after them or having to deal with them if they wanted to liberate a planet.

They could just nuke the base and try to figure out how to avoid the Empire leveling it from orbit.

Because, if you control space, why do you need troops at all?
 
"Not the most populated galaxy" Why do people actually put any time in a series so shoddily written and conceptualized?
 
"Not the most populated galaxy" Why do people actually put any time in a series so shoddily written and conceptualized?

It's an update of the Flash Gordon comic strip where there's flying cities, Medieval castles, Hawkmen, and crazy dictators with every time period whatsoever smooshed together with no regard to consistency.

It's also wonderful.

Then again, some people want "realism" to matter, which I don't think much of.
 
It's not realism, is logic to the narrative. And just plain old "Why did you just squander 90% of the potential to tell such a dumb story?" like really, take a setting to the inter planetary scale and proceed to not use any of the posibilities and implications that would carry to make your story richer.
 
It's not realism, is logic to the narrative. And just plain old "Why did you just squander 90% of the potential to tell such a dumb story?" like really, take a setting to the inter planetary scale and proceed to not use any of the posibilities and implications that would carry to make your story richer.

Well the important thing about Star Wars is that small groups of people can win the war themselves. However, there's nothing preventing you from having planets with millions of troopers and there were worlds which were depicted as having such.
 
When you have a single ship with the firepower to level cities and hence destroy any meaningful location on a planet, ground soldiers are only necessary to ensure that rebel activity is suppressed AND that any ground Imperial operations are protected. Walpknut, you mention how these aren't cities or district and then act as if the same rules for holding cities apply to planets. You don't need ten guards for every neighbourhood, you don't need 100 guards for every village on a planet. A major aspect of Star Wars is how large areas of a planet are nominally independent. Huge swathes of Coruscant are controlled by gangs and lack any Imperial presence, planets like Tatooine are basically owned by crime lords and the law is almost non-existent.

The Empire makes it's presence known through bases, patrols and exploiting the planets for manpower and resources to fuel the Imperial war machine.
 
Uhmmm no that really makes no sense, at least if these planets aren't just floating cities in space. You are the one who is applying the rules of holding small settlements to a whole planet. To keep control of a planet with ground forces would imply having to breed a whole planet worth of people, how would planetary conquest work when there are multiples countries with different systems of governance and when your treat of blowing up the planet would result in the Empire spending a lot of resources in locking themselves away from getting these resources.
Empire just don't work in an interplanetary scale.

Well the important thing about Star Wars is that small groups of people can win the war themselves. However, there's nothing preventing you from having planets with millions of troopers and there were worlds which were depicted as having such.
Where are they getting this millions of millions of troopers? Keeping them fed? Keeping them organized through the vastness of the galaxy? Aren't they then spending more resources than they are acquiring if they have to mantain a military operation on a PLANETARY SCALE?
 
Uhmmm no that really makes no sense, at least if these planets aren't just floating cities in space. You are the one who is applying the rules of holding small settlements to a whole planet. To keep control of a planet with ground forces would imply having to breed a whole planet worth of people, how would planetary conquest work when there are multiples countries with different systems of governance and when your treat of blowing up the planet would result in the Empire spending a lot of resources in locking themselves away from getting these resources.
Empire just don't work in an interplanetary scale.
That's the thing, they don't 'control' the planet in the sense that they hold jurisdiction and direct influence over every area of the planet. That's too unrealistic and expensive. As long as they get their resources, they're not attacked and no help is given to the rebels the Empire are quite happy to give control to crime lords and other pro-Imperial warlords. They don't control the planet with ground forces alone (please stop regurgitating that non-point), but use the threat of destruction to hold it. That's why they go overboard with super weapons, massive space ships and walkers. To evoke fear and the threat of utter destruction. Blowing up a planet is expensive and the Imperials are AWARE of that, but it also discourages rebellion. Not every citizen is going to be a insufferable nitpick (I'm joking) and think about how expensive destroying planets are, most are going to worry about keeping their families and themselves safe.
 
THen what are they an empire of exactly? How do they ensure they are getting "their resources" and what use do they have for them? Do they just go around flying a moon sized ship to scare every planet into giving them resources for nothing? What are people even "rebelling" against? Also you were the one who brought up them just having ground forces on planets to keep control. The Galactic empire just seem to exist as expensive play pretend by some crazies that are being humored without much thought by entire planets in your interpretation.
 
THen what are they an empire of exactly? How do they ensure they are getting "their resources" and what use do they have for them? Do they just go around flying a moon sized ship to scare every planet into giving them resources for nothing? What are people even "rebelling" against? Also you were the one who brought up them just having ground forces on planets to keep control. The Galactic empire just seem to exist as expensive play pretend by some crazies that are being humored without much thought by entire planets in your interpretation.
They're a fascist empire that uses the resources they gain from their planets to build starships, vehicles, guns and supplies so that they can continue their imperialism. Their entire society is built upon extreme militarism, and they continue expanding to stay relevant and escape stagnancy that plagued the Republic. They ensure they get their resources through space ships and ground troops that transport materials to safe locations where they can be transported. They do have ground forces, they use them as a symbolic sign of control, invading planets, protecting Imperial missions (like the transportation of goods and research centres) but not to safeguard every neighbourhood of a planet.

They seem crazy, but that's because they are. They're fascists who believe in the idea that gaining resources through war is just, fair and the only way to properly expand. Tarkin explains the Empire's doctrine in the Imperial Handbook, I quote 'War is the natural state of things...We are an Empire and we must expand if we are to remain vital...'. He also states that the Republic fell because of it's pacifism and that it failed to create a projection of power. Basically, if you are in peace you become stagnant and weak, meaning that you become vulnerable to war and the depredation of aliens (because, fuck aliens) something which the Empire avoids by NEVER being in peace.

See 1984.
 
This shit is so poorly constructed. Most of what you say contradicts itself a few sentences later. "The need to expand" expand for what exactly? "To not be stagnant" stagnant in what sense? "Staying in a single place makes you stagnant" yeah because we know the history of the world is stagnant and never changes. "They acquire resources to acquire more resources to be at war" "they supress rebellion and keep order" "they need to be at war" it's like they are bipolar or something. How do they even mantain war with multiple planets? What is exactly gained from allowing the empire to "kind take over your planet but not really"? Why would there be "pro empire warlords" if they also hate aliens? Aren't all planets they conquer Alien planets anyway? What do they do? Breed a whole planet of people and force and entire world into other planets? If they don't like aliens then how are they even securing resources? Do they just plant factories and minig operations and expect the people to never do anything? Where do they get the people to sustain a state of perpetual war? They no longer use the clones according to canon so that's out of the question too.

This is just incoherent beyond belief. At least CT Phipps admits IT IS dumb and it occurs in a galaxy that works more like a province and it's just unrealistic fantasy, you are just rambling.
 
I am confused.

A single starship could conquer the entire planet of Earth without difficulty. We, literally, have no defense against orbital bombardment. Surrender is the only option and we'd give up every resource on Earth because, to quote another franchise, resistance is futile.
 
Except all the planets in Star Wars are space faring planets. Nothing they conquer is on our technological level. And by definition they would have ships to defend themselves. They also only have 2 deathstars, do they move around scaring people for days to keep peace? The moment they move away they have no power. Do they bombard every planet? How are they getting their resources then? Do they then have to spend even more resources in mounting planetary operations to rebuild the infrastructure and explore a whole planet to know what resources it has? Where do they get all these people? What are they exactly acquiring by staying in this perpetual state of war?

An Empire just doesn't work on this scale.
 
Except all the planets in Star Wars are space faring planets. Nothing they conquer is on our technological level. And by definition they would have ships to defend themselves. They also only have 2 deathstars, do they move around scaring people for days to keep peace? The moment they move away they have no power. Do they bombard every planet? How are they getting their resources then? Do they then have to spend even more resources in mounting planetary operations to rebuild the infrastructure and explore a whole planet to know what resources it has? Where do they get all these people? What are they exactly acquiring by staying in this perpetual state of war?

An Empire just doesn't work on this scale.

Not quite, while they're space faring planets, star ships are very rare. Tatooine has only one Space Port on it. Planets don't have fleets, certainly not after the Clone Wars, so the Empire has almost 100% orbital dominance.
 
Why wouldn't they have fleets if space battles are so prevalent? In the prequels you would see the entire orbit covered in all kinds of ships. Also again, what are they going to do with those fleets? Stay in orbit forever becoming resources sinks? If they are always expanding where are they getting the people to do this shit for? Are they gonna bombard a planet while flying around in it's orbit? Are they dumb? What do they exactly gain with taking over inhabited planets anyway? Wouldn't a virgin planet with no technological development be more useful to drain for resources? Also this completely contradicts Dr Fallout's interpretation so again, none of this shti makes sense.
 
Bluntly, you don't need to garrison a planet if they do it for you.

Also, they don't need to be in orbit because they can just show up at any time you fall behind, obliterate a few cities, and leave.

But this is debating about genre conventions.
 
While I enjoy Star Wars, I am not a "lore person", I only watched the movies and never checked the books, comics, etc.
Also it's been years since I last watched any Star Wars movies (besides the Force Awakens one) so I forget most stuff about them by now.
I have a question. Who are the Empire in war with? I don't remember much fighting in the movies except with rebels... The republic is defeated so who is the Empire at war with?
 
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