The aspect of Fallout 3 that i liked better then New Vegas

[Black Feather]

then you're treated to the stupidest "moral choice" in the history of gaming.

I still have to facepalm when i think of it...

 

[Walpknut]

The Legion battle was especially satisfying, the ending where you have to fight through the whole building full of NCR rangers is one of the few genuinely hard parts of NV. Especially considering that most companions will have left you by then for siding with the Legion, making the whole thing more poignant.

Huh? I played a Legion run and only Boone and Arcade abandoned me, and only because I wanted Boone to because I couldn't acces his ending or have him around without fucking up my Legion run, If you become Idolized by the BOS before blowing them to hell Veronica doesn't leave you because you are tecnicaly no vilified, you are a Merciful Thug or a Soft hearted devil, or Wild Child, If you keep your karma Neutral Cass does not leave you.

 

[Courier]

Usually a Legion playthrough brings a lot of bad karma, so unless you're doing other good things to balance it out Cass will leave you. The only companions who won't leave you are Raul and Lily who also happen to be the least used companions.

Didn't they patch it so that Veronica still leaves you for killing the BoS, even if you're idolized? That always seemed like kind of an exploit to me.

 

[Walpknut]

Well I played as kind of a double agent, doing quests for the NCR before backstabbing them once the Fort quests became available, I even helped the Followers of the Apocalypse but sabotaged the train, the crops, and other things btu I balanced it somewhat. Also my Legion Playthrough was before they patched Veronica's exploit, but I like to think about as my Courier destroyed the Bunker but kept Veronica in the dark about until after the Battle at Hoover Dam, I mean after you complete her quest she doesnt even like to enter the Bunker anymore. Veronica was my companion during the Hoover Dam Battle.

 

[ramessesjones]

Because it is neither a trading hub nor offers anything else of real value. It is a location full of casinos. But that is one point. The economy of Vegas is not really well worked out. But that is another story.

It looks like a trade hub to me, it has important branches of the Gun Runners, Crimson Caravan, and Van Graffs, as well the local business and the trade with Zion. As for tourism, the NCR population is large enough and wealthy enough this point that tourism is viable and there aren't a lot of tourist destinations in the game world. Also, while the casinos are a great sources revenue for House, they are also a way to get a foot in the door with people like Heck Gunderson, to expand economically.

Vegas might be economically dependent on NCR, but I think make enough sense for the setting.

Yet when I am looking at that location I never get the feeling of "size" or that it would be "important" as location.

Open world games just don't scale well. But even then if you consider Vegas to be the total of the Strip, Freeside, Westside, Sewers, North Vegas square, the areas around Crimson Cavaran and Gun Runners, etc... it is a big place, especially compared to places like Nipton, Novac or Goodsprings.

 

[Crni Vuk]

That's kind of how Vegas' economy works in the present day. I don't see anything unrealistic about a tourist economy that uses their large income to buy anything they need. Before the NCR showed up Vegas was just as poor as anyone else and was made up of several warring tribes.

which has a more or less stable economy, government and never suffered a nuclear holocaust/war. By the way.

For example I am not complaining about the presence of casinos. But that you got them literally everywhere. From freeside to the 3-4 on the strip. You get the impression that there is nothing else. And a location which is feeding only on tourists from the NCR ? I am the only one that is thinking this might be stretching the whole idea about Vegas being the focus of the game a bit to much ?

A tourist magnet is not the kind of "location" I would see as value in a wasteland/post apoc like situation as present in Fallout. Not that I am searching here for realism. But as said. It is just not what I would expect. A major trading hub or something similar. They could have done much with the dam, some water supplies and/or more with the aspect of farming in combination with House being a major merchant. Not just making a casino-theme-park out of the strip.

Many agree that after all the hype the strip was a huge disappointment anyway. At least from the visuals.

 

[Stanislao Moulinsky]

And a location which is feeding only on tourists from the NCR ? I am the only one that is thinking this might be stretching the whole idea about Vegas being the focus of the game a bit to much ?

I think you are forgetting a thing, though, the Dam. New Vegas and the surrounding area is an important centre because is one of the few places that can produce electricity and has clean water. The people working there are a part of the "casino economy", it's not like people are going en-masse to NV only because there are the casinos.

 

[Crni Vuk]

sure.

But what actually has "the strip" from the dam ? That is the point. The game does not spend much time explaining the justification for the strip. Except for having tons of Casinos with weird people inside. There have to be many horny and rich people inside the NCR I suppose.

Don't get me wrong guys. I like Vegas for its qualities like the next guy around here. But the strip is simply a huge letdown. It was for me at least that way. I liked freeside somewhat except that it felt more like the outskirts of Klamath then a "real" town. But that was "ok" for me. But I really expected more from the Strip. The whole location felt strange to me. I wish Obsidian would have spend more time on the Strip and the locations around it. Making really a "great" location and the places around it not looking that boring. It is like you move around to hit some "wall" with a door. Saying camp this, camp that, trading post for a caravan. And everything has some wall around it as well. It feels to "artificial" but not from a point where you say that it feels that way because people made a community here but the game telling you "we could not make a good looking/coherent location because of engine limitation".

 

[Courier]

Rich people like taking extravagant vactions? Especially to places where prostitution and drugs are legal. The NCR has hundreds of thousands of citizens I'm sure there are a few with enough cash to take a trip to Vegas.

 

[Stanislao Moulinsky]

sure.
But what actually has "the strip" from the dam ? That is the point. The game does not spend much time explaining the justification for the strip.

It's kind of explained, actually. House loved Las Vegas so he's trying to bring it back. That's it, that's all. Also it was a way to make money without having the means (at the moment) to produce anything. You could say it was a gamble (lol) but it paid off.

Rich people like taking extravagant vactions? Especially to places where prostitution and drugs are legal. The NCR has hundreds of thousands of citizens I'm sure there are a few with enough cash to take a trip to Vegas.

Especially considering that all the comments implies that the luscious Strip is something that has no equal in the NCR.

 

[The Enclave 86]

It's kind of explained, actually. House loved Las Vegas so he's trying to bring it back. That's it, that's all. Also it was a way to make money without having the means (at the moment) to produce anything. You could say it was a gamble (lol) but it paid off.

Yeah it is explained, House built those lasers and sacrificed his own body and essentially life to save, and later rejuvinate, the city; I mean he has grandoise plans for the whole human race but he wants Vegas to be the centre of it all.

 

[LinkPain]

Which is a bad thing?
Well I mean it is bad, but why would he do anything else. He always had a brilliant mind and crap of a body.

 

[TheDidact]

It's kind of explained, actually. House loved Las Vegas so he's trying to bring it back. That's it, that's all. Also it was a way to make money without having the means (at the moment) to produce anything. You could say it was a gamble (lol) but it paid off.

Yeah it is explained, House built those lasers and sacrificed his own body and essentially life to save, and later rejuvinate, the city; I mean he has grandoise plans for the whole human race but he wants Vegas to be the centre of it all.

I still find his space colony plan farfetched, but in the Fallout universe according to Bethesda he probably would only need a few cameras, scrap metals, electronics, and tin cans.

 

[Crni Vuk]

sure.
But what actually has "the strip" from the dam ? That is the point. The game does not spend much time explaining the justification for the strip.

It's kind of explained, actually. House loved Las Vegas so he's trying to bring it back. That's it, that's all. Also it was a way to make money without having the means (at the moment) to produce anything. You could say it was a gamble (lol) but it paid off.

And simply with that I should assume now Vegas is living of from thin air ?

That explains why House has some interest in Vegas. But not the location for itself. Like the Strip. Letz face it. That location is more inspired by New Reno then Fallout 1.

I am NOT saying it is a bad location. It is better then anything I have seen in Fallout 3. But to achieve that is not impossible anyway.

A location like the Strip is something I have trouble with in a post apoc setting. particularly when I am thinking about the tension between the Legion and the NCR. Vegas has a very inconvenient economy. I mean the whole location screams "lulz casino everywhere!" in your face

 

[The Enclave 86]

It's kind of explained, actually. House loved Las Vegas so he's trying to bring it back. That's it, that's all. Also it was a way to make money without having the means (at the moment) to produce anything. You could say it was a gamble (lol) but it paid off.

Yeah it is explained, House built those lasers and sacrificed his own body and essentially life to save, and later rejuvinate, the city; I mean he has grandoise plans for the whole human race but he wants Vegas to be the centre of it all.

I still find his space colony plan farfetched, but in the Fallout universe according to Bethesda he probably would only need a few cameras, scrap metals, electronics, and tin cans.

You forgetting that he bought REPCONN in 2076? Perhaps a pre-emptive move on his part?

 

[Stanislao Moulinsky]

sure.
But what actually has "the strip" from the dam ? That is the point. The game does not spend much time explaining the justification for the strip.

It's kind of explained, actually. House loved Las Vegas so he's trying to bring it back. That's it, that's all. Also it was a way to make money without having the means (at the moment) to produce anything. You could say it was a gamble (lol) but it paid off.

And simply with that I should assume now Vegas is living of from thin air ?

Ehm, excuse me? Wasn't this already discussed? New Vegas is living off the services it provides to the NCR army, the Strip lives off the gamblers that visit it.

You forgetting that he bought REPCONN in 2076? Perhaps a pre-emptive move on his part?

Or perhaps he was just spewing BS to try to convince you.

 

[Crni Vuk]

as said. And thats the part which I think personaly is very very weak as economy.

Remember this is Fallout. Not a casino simulator.

 

[Four Suited Jack]

I agree 100% with you, OP.

That is what I LOVED about FO: 3, hell, the capital wasteland felt more like a war-zone than the Mojave where an actual war was going on.

 

[The Enclave 86]

Or perhaps he was just spewing BS to try to convince you.

Anti-House much? I see no reason why he was lying, if he intends to make you his chief lieutenant then why would he lie if he wants you to be at his side for decades?

What other goal does he have then? Just make money? In-case you didn't notice he's hardly in the position to enjoy the fruits of his casinos personally.

 

[Stanislao Moulinsky]

as said. And thats the part which I think personaly is very very weak as economy.

Remember this is Fallout. Not a casino simulator.

Supposedly it was just a short term strategy, and later his playground. With the Platinum Chip and Hoover Dam in his hands House plans to rebuild industries.

Or perhaps he was just spewing BS to try to convince you.

Anti-House much? I see no reason why he was lying, if he intends to make you his chief lieutenant then why would he lie if he wants you to be at his side for decades?

Nah, I like the guy. It's just that that part of his speech seemed too...I don't know how to put it...too optimistic? Too visionary? Too idealistic? "I'll rebuild industries, I'll send humans in space, honey and milk will flow for everyone, there will be peace among us" and so on. You get what I mean?

What other goal does he have then? Just make money? In-case you didn't notice he's hardly in the position to enjoy the fruits of his casinos personally.

If he could send humans in space he couldn't move from his coffin either, though.

Other goals? Prove how great he is by building an empire under his control. After all he is a control freak. Regarding the snowglobes:

"It's for the Citizen Kane reference, partially because it's especially fitting for Mr.House. He has no interest in physically interacting with the world but wants absolute control over New Vegas. Snow globes are perfect static worlds in miniature that can't be directly touched but can be (literally) turned up side down any time the owner desires.
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—J.E. Sawyer"