The Guns and Ammo Thread

glocks are reliable guns. I don't particularly like them.

I was forced to shoot a glock 26 last weekend (with an extended mag so there was a gap that my fingers kept slipping into) at my CPL course.

I was not impressed.

As for Desert eagles, which one are you comparing to the glock?

The baby eagle/Jericho is a good gun by all accounts. Its a copy of the CZ-75 linage.

The Mountain eagle, micro eagle, lone eagle and the "Arnold Schwarzenegger .357, .44, 50" Desert Eagles don't really fit into any logical comparison with a glock IMO.

Desert Eagles are all steel for the most part (I know there are baby eagles and Jericho's made with polymer frames.)

The biggest differences you will find is that the Jericho's/baby eagles have a double action trigger and an exposed hammer + safety.

Glocks are striker fired, have a trigger that is a bit different than single or double action triggers and they have no exposed hammer or safety.

Its up to you to decide what you are more comfortable with.
A glock is always ready to go (assuming its loaded). A desert eagle etc. may be on safe, or may have a round in the chamber but have the hammer down and will require a double action trigger pull to fire.
 
TheWesDude said:
i have never been a fan of 9mm because while the glock 9mm looks beautiful in a form/function marriage of design, which is actually the more sturdy handgun maker nowadays?

is the glock still the standard, or are desert eagles still the higher quality gun?
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You caused my brain cells to commit suicide. They just lolnope'ed out of existence when reading your question.

The Glock is a functional duty firearm that has the ergonomics of a fucking brick.
The Desert Eagle is a range gun with a fairly interesting gas operation. It however serves no practical purpose.
(and no, a "Baby Eagle" is as much a Desert Eagle as a PSL is a Dragunov. which is to say it isn't. it's marketing for stupid americans.).

Practical reliability for guns nowadays, is the same for all guns that are marketed for carry or duty use. Sig Sauer P226, S&W M&P-9, Glocks, Walther PPQ/PPX/PPS, CZ75, and so on and so forth. For you, the reliability of these pistols will be exactly the fucking same. You should be more worried about what works for you ergonomically and how naturally they aim for you. Just because they are perfect on paper or in the gun store, doesn't mean they'll work for you at the range.

If you want something xbox huge (desert eagle size) and retardedly reliable (hurr durr designed for Navy SEALS), get a HK Mark23 and be edgy as fuck. :roll:
 
Question for all of you gun owners.

Living in a country that forbids the possession of firearms, I'm quite amazed by that thread - though I don't know if it's in a positive way or not. Anyway I'm very curious about that, and I wanted to know how you all keep your weapons?

I mean, do you keep them all by the book, hidden on the shelf with the ammo locked in another room? Or do you have all of them in a suitcase in the basement? Or do you have a spot for each of your guns, and one under your bed in case a burglar would try to rob your house at night?

Just curious about that, because I don't know how I'd do it if I were to possess guns.
 
Even as a kid my dad just kept them in closets or under the bed. Loaded 1911 shoved between the mattress in a leather case. He gave me "the talk" at a young age and that was all that was needed.
 
Izual said:
Living in a country that forbids the possession of firearms, I'm quite amazed by that thread - though I don't know if it's in a positive way or not. Anyway I'm very curious about that, and I wanted to know how you all keep your weapons?
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By law here in Belgium, I'm required to store them in a gun safe, with my ammo in a seperate locked storage and magazines unloaded. This is due to the fact is have quite a few guns.
The more guns you own here, the more safety requirements you have to deal with. It starts off with a triggerlock, then goes to a locked cabinet, to an actual gun safe. If you go above 30 guns, you need half a bunker (barred windows, alarm system, door with a certain security grade, etc).

Practically, if a burglar entered my home, I'd have to get my keys, go to my hobby room, open the safe, get a gun, open the ammo cabinet, load a magazine, load the gun and then deal with the burglar.

Simply put, no way in hell I can get ready before the fucker gets to me if he wants to.

Legally, if I'm home, I'm allowed to have a loaded gun, but I have to unload it & store it securely every time I leave. I do not feel unsafe enough to bother with all that bullshit each time I get home & leave home.

It should be noted btw that your average gun safe is worthless against a professional burglar that knows what he's after. At most, it'll slow him down for 10 minutes. Gun safes are often not so much about preventing guns from being stolen, but more about keeping kids out or preventing you from getting to your guns quickly when you're in a fit of rage (which is absurd in my view, but that's how the legislation was written).
In the same vein, I'm legally forced to transport my ammo and guns in two seperate locked storage compartments (be it a bag or a pelican case or whatever) and store it in the trunk if I can. The only reason to do this is simply because it prevents someone from having a gun ready in traffic (road rage, or even shooting a car jacker in self-defense).

Anyhow, much of this is absurd.
 
I keep most of mine locked in a safe, in a walk-in closet with a deadbolt on the locked door. This protects them from fire for about two hours or a thief for about 15 minutes.

I keep a pistol in my nightstand next to the bed - it stays there, loaded, as that is it's purpose in life. I keep a pistol in my truck, in-between my driver seat and the center console, loaded. It is my main carry weapon and it stays with me. I also keep a back-up in the glovebox - it stays there, loaded, that is it's purpose.

I also keep a loaded shotgun behind the backseat. It stays there. Because a pistol's purpose is to get you to a long gun.

I keep my firearms loaded, because I don't live in an idiotic place where you legally can't do so. An unloaded pistol/rifle is a brick/stick. I don't expect a criminal to wait on me to load my weapon. That's just crazy.
 
Thanks for your answers guys, it's quite enlightening.

SuAside, if the belgium laws were not so strict, would you keep your weapons in different places, like DB does?

DB, I can understand about the weapon in the nighstand, although if I were you I'd probably have some other weapon reachable in the house, if it's a big house of course. But three guns, including a shotgun, in your car? Sounds, dunno, "overkill". Were you ever close to use them?
Are you never afraid of some guy breaking your car glass when it's parked in town, grabbing your shotgun and killing someone with it? I'd be terrified. But I'm a bit paranoid. Same with driving with someone else in the backseat, what if he finds the loaded guns and hurts himself or other people?

I'm not posting to teach you morale lessons, I'm genuinely interested by your thoughts on that. I have difficulties trying to picture the armed american society, if I may call it like that.
 
DB you stash your guns like i stash my weed.


SuAside said:
Anyhow, much of this is absurd.
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And some of it makes sense, at least to me

The more you own the more you have to secure it. Loading and unloading whenever you come in and go out sounds a bit silly but i can understand the motives behind it.
 
SuAside said:
TheWesDude said:
is the glock still the standard, or are desert eagles still the higher quality gun?
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You caused my brain cells to commit suicide. They just lolnope'ed out of existence when reading your question.
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My first thought was that this is like comparing apples to typewriters.

Not wild about the new thread title. I felt like the old one helped screen out some of the politics. But life moves on.
 
JohnnyEgo said:
Not wild about the new thread title. I felt like the old one helped screen out some of the politics.
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I concur Johnny, and I especially don't appreciate some non-gun owning furry moderator just arbitrarily deciding to mess with that which was not broken.

Izual said:
DB, I can understand about the weapon in the nighstand, although if I were you I'd probably have some other weapon reachable in the house, if it's a big house of course.
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Well there is the one I bring in from the truck, right next to me and I have about 30 upstairs. Is that enough? Maybe I should get more?

Izual said:
But three guns, including a shotgun, in your car? Sounds, dunno, "overkill". Were you ever close to use them?

Are you never afraid of some guy breaking your car glass when it's parked in town, grabbing your shotgun and killing someone with it? I'd be terrified. But I'm a bit paranoid. Same with driving with someone else in the backseat, what if he finds the loaded guns and hurts himself or other people?
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As to the number of guns in the truck - nobody was ever involved in a firefight and afterwards said, "Dang, I brought too many guns and too much ammo." so no, I don't think it's overkill. As to using them, no. Was I really glad I had them with me? Yes, on more than one occasion. As a responsible gun owner, I feel it is my duty to refrain from using them if at all possible. I did have to point a pistol at a drunk guy with a baseball bat once. Thankfully he wasn't so drunk that he didn't understand what was happening and he sat down until the police arrived.

My firearms are out of sight in my vehicle. My truck is always locked. It has this awesome alarm system that is silent (because who pays attention to loud alarms going off?) that sends my phone a text message. It can tell me if my truck has been hit or if it has been forcibly entered. My back-up is locked in the glove box. If I'm not carrying my duty sidearm, it is locked under the drivers seat in a lockbox cabled to the seat frame.

My Benelli is behind the back seat, in a shotgun scabbard, so no one can "find it" while riding in my truck and hurt himself or others - they would actually be sitting on it, making it inaccessible to passengers.
 
Well that actually sounds safe. Despite my mixed feelings towards US gun laws, you sound like a responsible gun owner - I just wish everyone was like you, because sometimes what we hear on the news is kinda scary.
 
Izual said:
Thanks for your answers guys, it's quite enlightening.

SuAside, if the belgium laws were not so strict, would you keep your weapons in different places, like DB does?
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donperkan said:
And some of it makes sense, at least to me

The more you own the more you have to secure it. Loading and unloading whenever you come in and go out sounds a bit silly but i can understand the motives behind it.
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I guess I'll answer two comments in one go:

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind the whole security thing as such. My current safety precautions are higher than what is required by law.

What is absurd to me is that:
1) I can't have one loaded gun in my house somewhere if I leave my house. It's impractical for me to load a gun & mag when I get home & unload everything every time I leave. I'd likely keep one loaded & out of the safe somewhere in my bedroom or in a minisafe. Right now, I'd need 2 minisafes (one for the gun, one for the loaded magazine) and even then I'd be violating the law a bit because it's "suggested" to keep the ammo loose & not loaded into a magazine. Note that there has not been a child in my house for the past 10 years, let alone an unsupervised one. So it's not like that would be a hazard in any way. Worse that could happen is a burglar finding it, and I'm guessing he'd have found a bigass gunsafe anyway.
2) Transporting a gun is far more complex than it should be. I understand they don't want them abused in traffic, but the current requirements make it a huge pain in the ass. And it really shouldn't be. You can be perfectly safe without such draconian restrictions written by "experts" that are actively lobbying to make gun owners' lives a living hell. You need to disable the gun (triggerlock, or removing & separating the bolt), keep the ammo separated from the gun(s), keep the ammo out of your magazines (you're not allowed to preload). Both guns & ammo need to be in a separate locked compartment. And if you have a trunk on your vehicle you need to put it all in there, you're not allowed to have it near you while driving.
3) They recently passed magazine restrictions: 30 rounds for semiauto centerfire rifles, 20 rounds for pistols, etc. Not as draconian as Canada, but retarded nonetheless. It basically outlaws some historical and interesting guns like the PPsh and the SITES Spectre. They also had to put in a special provision to allow IPSC shooters to load mags larger than 20 rounds in pistols. Why would you trust an IPSCer more than a recreational shooter? You know, there's extra irony in it all because no high cap magazine was ever found to be used in crime here... Not to mention that criminals obviously will have a very easy time buying glock 33 round mags if they wanted to.

I've got plenty of other gripes, but whatever. I only get worked up thinking of them.
 
Honestly who is going to walk in your house and make sure you follow proper gun storage laws? Big brother?
 
Izual said:
I just wish everyone was like you, because sometimes what we hear on the news is kinda scary.
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What you hear is called propaganda.

mobucks said:
Honestly who is going to walk in your house and make sure you follow proper gun storage laws? Big brother?
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Yes.
 
mobucks said:
Honestly who is going to walk in your house and make sure you follow proper gun storage laws? Big brother?
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Local cops are legally allowed to verify that I'm properly storing my guns, yes. It doesn't happen often, but yes, it has happened before to some other permit holders...
 
SuA: I admire your persistence in legally building an impressive collection in a highly controlled state. When something is just difficult enough, a lot of folks give up. It isn't a law/privilege/right if nobody exercises it. You've got my respect.

Back to some photos. This is a mock-up of a project I plan to finish the next time I am home. Going to swap out the A3 upper with an actual A2. Right now, it is sitting on a registered LMT lower from another gun. I just put out the paperwork on the actual lower it will rest on, which is a Bravo Company, but my last tax stamps took 7 months, so that isn't going to happen soon. In the mean time, I hope to find an aluminum 2-position CAR stock for it.

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The one part that will be really easy to find is an A2 grip. I've got a box of something like 20 take-offs in my garage somewhere.
 
Johnny, since I've never messed with NFA stuff, I know very little about the process, so I have a noob question.

If you have a full-auto firearm already and a tax stamp for it - do you have to go through the whole process again and get another tax stamp if you want to make it an SBR that is full-auto?
 
Nope. If it is a registered machine gun, it can have any barrel length you want.

Things get a little complicated with the AR15 when you are dealing with a Lightning Link or DIAS. Whatever they are installed in becomes the machine gun, and can have F/A control parts, sub 16" barrel length, etc... However, the moment you remove the Lightning Link or DIAS, the host is no longer allowed to have F/A parts or a sub 16" barrel. I know some big money people who register multiple lowers as SBRs so they can swap a DIAS back and forth and not have to worry about making an unregistered SBR when they swap. However, of the rarefied DIAS and Lightning Link crowd, most of them just dedicate a lower.
 
JohnnyEgo said:
SuA: I admire your persistence in legally building an impressive collection in a highly controlled state. When something is just difficult enough, a lot of folks give up. It isn't a law/privilege/right if nobody exercises it. You've got my respect
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That's why I give shooting initiations and dedicate some of my time to help them out. Figuring how to get through the labyrinth of red tape isn't always easy.
So yeah, I'm fighting to keep the spirit alive.

For a long time shooting or carrying a gun in self-defense was a normal thing here. But slowly it became something that was hidden more & more, because it wasn't seen as progressive. So people just shot in closed clubs or in their backyards.

Now everything is tightly regulated (but we can still get "SBRs" etc) and people look at you funny when you tell them you're an avid sportive & recreational shooter. Because it's been a closed community for so long now, it's viewed with distrust.

I'm guessing about 2-3% of belgians own legal firearms and many of them are not vocal about it. We have a fair bit of guns in the country, but a lot of enthousiasts are like me, I've got 10 guns atm.
 
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