TheGM
The voice of reason
But who saw it though? though Disney buying their own tickets to play the movie to an audience that wasn't there was pretty funny.
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CT Phipps
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THE HUNT is another example as it's a shitty Blumehouse film with some vague ideas that liberals and conservatives are both stupid while people who don't care are decent (see South Park for similar attitude) but because Donald Trump tweeted against it, they brought it back and people went to see it who otherwise wouldn't. They even used it in the marketing, "THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL MOVIE OF 2020!"
And even I fell for it.
That and I like Betty Gilpin from GLOW.
Basically everyone saw it. I saw it to packed theaters. It also was, indeed, a mediocre movie.
As GLADOS told her Disney masters, "Making a note here. Huge success."
And even I fell for it.
That and I like Betty Gilpin from GLOW.
Basically everyone saw it. I saw it to packed theaters. It also was, indeed, a mediocre movie.
As GLADOS told her Disney masters, "Making a note here. Huge success."
RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
True but Nintendo are much smarter with business than Sony. Not to mention that Pokemon is a billion dollar franchise. Most normies usually don't go to Twitter and YouTube for news. Only a small minority do. Most people, especially parents with kids, saw that a new Pokemon game was coming out before Christmas so they bought it without second thought. It also helps that kids really don't care with what they consume. If it's Pokemon they will buy it regardless which is why that horrible new Pokemon mobile game is probably going to sell like hotcakes.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
If they just announced they would make yet another Daniel Craig Bond movie, nobody but dads and boomers would care.
They then revealed a black woman would be 007 (intentionally left out that James Bond would still be Daniel Craig) What happened? People who probably have never given a shit about James Bond flocked to talk about it, articles got written defending it and attacking it, and all they did was harness outrage culture.
They then revealed a black woman would be 007 (intentionally left out that James Bond would still be Daniel Craig) What happened? People who probably have never given a shit about James Bond flocked to talk about it, articles got written defending it and attacking it, and all they did was harness outrage culture.
TheGM
The voice of reason
No, that's not what happened. sounds like you have a simple case of the Mendoza effect.
CerberusGate
I should save my game in a whole new slot
That's not wrong. For me, I found myself laughing at the bandwagon most of the times and all the comments whining and moaning about it wound up keeping it floating in the pop-culture sphere.
I am not denying outrage marketing works. Sadly, it's the norm (especially because there are times when the ones being outraged are hilariously ridiculous that you can't help but feel schadenfreude at their outrage) though exceptions do come up that showcase that bad publicity is bad all around.
Plus there is a reason why a PR crisis does need to be repaired; no one wants to have bad PR all throughout and they do have the occasional Author's Saving Throw (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AuthorsSavingThrow) to fix the PR problem (i.e the Sonic movie prior to release in response to the admittedly justified outrage).
EDIT:
Isn't it that film that was supposed to go up against Ready or Not? I completely forgot that it existed until today when I saw it mentioned in Ready or Not's trivia page.
Also, you may want to indicate what part of your post is edited from the original. Just to keep things on track.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
For a bit of historical origin, the quote of "There's no such thing as bad publicity" originates with the original con man and fraud supreme P.T. Barnum. Barnum would often go out of his way to antagonize newspaper reporters and even actually bribed a few to write SHOCKED and HORRIFIED reviews of his shows because he was marketing the idea that his shows were shocking.
Another particularly good example is NWA when they got the FBI sending them a "Stop doing Fuck the Police, Please" which they used to get into the news.
So yes, it's a specific kind of bad publicity but its definitely there.
As Jack Sparrow said to being the worst pirate he's ever heard of, "But you have heard of me."
Seriously dude, there's denial and there's the River in Egypt. Denying Captain Marvel's success is like Flat Eartherism. It's like infamous as to how stupid it made its unwitting promoters.
Another particularly good example is NWA when they got the FBI sending them a "Stop doing Fuck the Police, Please" which they used to get into the news.
So yes, it's a specific kind of bad publicity but its definitely there.
As Jack Sparrow said to being the worst pirate he's ever heard of, "But you have heard of me."
Seriously dude, there's denial and there's the River in Egypt. Denying Captain Marvel's success is like Flat Eartherism. It's like infamous as to how stupid it made its unwitting promoters.
Atomic Postman
Vault Archives Overseer
Man I wish I lived in the same world as some people where things that I don't like automatically flop and everyone hates it because I don't like it.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
It's weird because I don't get the need to think "Everyone agrees with me" regarding cancel culture. I'm fully prepared to hate on something that's widely popular because I think plenty of popular things are shit.
Some people can't let go of the idea that they have to have the things they hate as failures that no one saw.
Regardless of evidence and public opinion. I mean, who gives a shit what the crowd thinks?
RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
The reason why Captain Marvel did so well was because they were using it to hype Endgame. Marvel spent a decade creating goodwill with the audience. The audience trusted Marvel, they had so many hits after all, this movie can't be bad. Only for the wool to be lifted from their eyes. I can guarantee you that a Captain Marvel 2 won't do so well. Hell, there are even rumors that Disney and Marvel don't want to make one and are looking to drop Brie Larson. You can only fool an audience once.
By the way, I never saw Captain Marvel or most Marvel movies. I tended to avoid them.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
This will bother you to no end, RangerBoo, but I agree with your post. Captain Marvel was not a good movie. However it was masterfully marketed and "controversial" and thus became one of the biggest box office successes of the Marvel movies after the steam was finally being let out of the franchise.
TheGM
The voice of reason
You've already made that joke before. wasn't funny then, isn't funny now. Nobody is saying it didn't make money. Just saying nobody saw it, because they didn't. the movie came and went and nobody will ever think about it 20 years from now. Because at the end of the day it is no Invasion USA.
Absolute Patrician taste.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
It made money because people saw it.
And yes, no one will think about it because it was painfully average at best.
Why it's an example of my point.
Atomic Postman
Vault Archives Overseer
This is absolutely true. I don't think anybody actually cared about Captain Marvel,but I think the reasons it was so successful was because:
#1 Infinity War to Endgame is peak MCU hype
#2 Everyone thought Cap Marvel was gonna be super important to Endgame and stopping Thanos, so it was percieved that Cap Marvel was "essential viewing"
#3 She's called CAPTAIN MARVEL, she must like be the most important Marvel character of them all
The film's absolute unwavering mediocrity, the unlikeability of whatserfaces performance and her basic irrelevance to Endgame itself makes me think that Cap Marvel 2 is going to be far, far less successful. But denying that it was ever successful and that Disney gave itself the profit for the movie (because that is how things work in real life) is so retarded.
CerberusGate
I should save my game in a whole new slot
You forgot Oscar Wilde too by the way: “There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.”
I don't deny bad publicity works especially in the entertainment industry. I'm just saying it's not supposed to be a good thing. After all, PR crises teams would not exist if it is a good thing.
That's the annoying aspect of outrage culture.
There are times when it can be justified (i.e the initial reaction to Sonic's first design) and then there are the ridiculous ones (an example would be people I've encountered on Reddit who wanted everyone to hate on FF7 Remake because its changes (I'm paraphrasing but this is what they essentially said) raped their childhood memories of the classic game). If this is the way the world worked, Resetera would make it so no game ever came out unless it met every form of political correctness.
TheGM
The voice of reason
We get it. You hate women. Though I do prefer your original post before you changed it into distilled misogyny.
Aurelius Of Phoenix
Psued.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
I was actually trying to figure out how to bring up the "controversial" nature of the film actually so thanks for this lead in.
My conspiracy theory is that someone was crazy like a fox and knew that if they marketed this as a groundbreaking "feminist" movie that certain people would utterly lose their shit. This despite the fact Marvel already had five female heroines and it wasn't the first female-led Marvel movie let alone action movie by far.
(Said as a fan of them)
TheGM
The voice of reason
Or Disney could bought their own movie tickets like what actually happened. since they have all the money in the universe so they could do something so pathetic.
Atomic Postman
Vault Archives Overseer
That movie sucked because her entire arc basically just resulted in her going "oh wait, i can actually be really powerful". it sucks because marvel literally did the "Hero discovers power within, powers up to insane levels" in ways that were actually compelling and had meaning for the character like Thor in Ragnarok or Peter Quill in Guardians 2
but this is getting super off topic now
but this is getting super off topic now