The real issues with Fallout 3, in my opinion.

[Crni Vuk]

some eccentric old dude somehow managed not only to survive in the post-apocalyptic world

Worse, he actually came from England.

yes. But doesnt matter. YOu know its "cool shitz" to have that in

anyway. When it comes to canon I try most of the time to ignore anything from "Bethesdas Fallout" since in MY EYES it meets all criteria of a "Fallout Spin-Off" and I consider it not more canon than tactics.

The design documents about Van Buren on the other hand. Well I still have to find my time to read them all.

 

[Profit]

Let's be fair - people have been crossing the Atlantic for a good millennium now, and FO2 shows that it only takes a couple of spare parts to get pre-war boats back in shape. Hell, according to the original Fallout, a few miles from the coast the Ocean goes back to being pure blue.

Really, a Roman-era ship could cross the Atlantic if it had accurate maps and knew the different streams - which Tenpenny totally could.

And since Moriarty and Tenpenny are both Brits...

 

[Holocausto]

Off-topicness aside, the whole game is a mess. One only needs to read half of your original post to realize how non-plausible this game is. The whole time I spent playing it I heard a voice inside my head: "you are wasting your time playing a retarded game. GO OUTSIDE" and simply gave up before finishing it. I tried to play it again to check out the F3C mod, but I simply could not force myself to waste anymore time with it.

What this game needs is a few hardcore people with modding skills to turn it into what it should be. One guy can rewrite the story one can handle the AI (or lack of) and make all NPCs act as intelligent as possible under all the various circumstances. Then we need somebody to rework the whole weapon/perk whatever balance and nix the ones which are just downright stupid and make zero sense for ex (condition of weapons affects bullet strength?) I don't think so. That's not how guns work bethesda. Condition could possibly affect accuracy and reliability (jams) but stopping power? NO NO NO!

Get rid of VATS. How is it possible for somebody to pause time and target specific parts while your enemy just magically sits there until you are done? Answer....it isn't! VATS should only be kept if a 3rd person version is made to simulate an isometric turn based RPG of classic fallouts (actually separate FPS and 3d person versions would be ideal so people can play whatever way they like). Oh yeah pausing the pip boy and stopping time + simultaneously applying detailed medical care in combat is f..king ridiculous. That needs to go.

So yeah bethesda have proved that they do not know how to properly mix RPG stat based game with FPS realtime so the best solution is to take the game to a more completely FPS or 3rd person turn based RPG.

 

[Holocausto]

Well he couldn't have come over before the war, or he'd be at least 200 years old.

So that means he came over after the war. You know, the war that reduced the entire world to rubble?

Or, maybe while DC is a wasteland, the rest of the world has recovered? Cruise ships running again? He's come to DC for some kind of extreme vacation?

LMAO....*sigh*

 

[Patton89]

Aha...with what boats ? It is post-apocalyptic world you know. Fallout 2 s boat doesn't prove much.
There is a difference in 200 miles, and crossing A OCEAN.
A ship without proper maintainance couldn't cross a ocean, or survive the storms that occur in Atlantic ocean, even if it still could move SHORT distances.

And no, roman-era ships couldnt cross atlantic, they werent large and developed enough, to carry the amount of food and supplies needed or survive the storms. They didnt have large sails, they mainly used men rowing as propulsion back in the olden days.

Bethesda was lazy, they never explained HOW tenpenny got to US.

 

[M-26-7]

Aha...with what boats ? It is post-apocalyptic world you know. Fallout 2 s boat doesn't prove much.
There is a difference in 200 miles, and crossing A OCEAN.
A ship without proper maintainance couldn't cross a ocean, or survive the storms that occur in Atlantic ocean, even if it still could move SHORT distances.

And no, roman-era ships couldnt cross atlantic, they werent large and developed enough, to carry the amount of food and supplies needed or survive the storms. They didnt have large sails, they mainly used men rowing as propulsion back in the olden days.

Bethesda was lazy, they never explained HOW tenpenny got to US.

Well maybe not the Roman's ships (Roman's were real scardey cat sailors and rarely sailed out of view of land). The Roman's ships weren't designed to sail on the ocean anyway. But Vikings were around with extremely capable seafaring ships in the time of the Romans even if they might not have gone to NA till in the 700s or so if I recall correctly. The real problem would be building such a ship. Even if trees had grown back they're probably wouldn't be enough large and strong trees to make a capable vehicle.

 

[Nimdok]

AUsir: Where did the information you provided last, about Maxson, come from? In-game? As I recall it, from what I saw, his mother sent him off after his father died, and he wasn't an 'infant', he was something like 7. Also, he was specifically refered to as having been sent 'recently', as in within the last few years, and since Lyons went rogue pretty early on, it still smells of a hole in the plot. One would think that they would want to recover the child, considering his blood-heritage, rather than abandon him, in any rate.

It's from an in-game terminal. As for when Maxson was sent to Lyons, I'll check.

EDIT: Just checked again, to see something, and there's something off about the entry Ausir referenced: It says John Maxson is dead, while the entry preceeding it, John Maxson's own entry, lists his death date as "NA", implying he's still alive. It also lists his mother as being dead when his mother's status outside of that entry is unknown. This being true, neither of them can be trusted for contradicting each other. It's a bug, a slip-up, and thus makes the whole thing utterly unreliable. Damn.

Huh? John Maxson was the High Elder in FO1 and he's very much dead in FO3. NA means that the date is unknown, not that he's alive. And John Maxson is not mentioned in the entry I quoted.

JOHNATHAN Maxson is, however, and I think that's where MY confusion came into play... When I made that comment I was skimming the entires, not paying great attention to the niggly little details. That and I was tired and more than a little bored. Ah, well.

 

[Ausir]

And since Moriarty and Tenpenny are both Brits...

First of all I wouldn't call an Irishman British if I were you. Second of all, Moriarty is only of Irish descent, he didn't actually come from Ireland himself.

 

[Corvin]

I've had dug it if Tenpenny and Burke were both androids.

 

[Patton89]

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Well maybe not the Roman's ships (Roman's were real scardey cat sailors and rarely sailed out of view of land). The Roman's ships weren't designed to sail on the ocean anyway. But Vikings were around with extremely capable seafaring ships in the time of the Romans even if they might not have gone to NA till in the 700s or so if I recall correctly. The real problem would be building such a ship. Even if trees had grown back they're probably wouldn't be enough large and strong trees to make a capable vehicle.

Well, the vikings used northern route, they probably used iceland and greenland, they didnt technically DIRECTLY cross the atlantic ocean. But yes, they were able to get to america.

But would anyone really anymore have experience in boat making, or the seafaring skills after nuclear war ? i would doubt that they could get the necessary supplies to build anything truly seaworthy.

And here comes another problem, vitamin-C. The sailors would need it, unless you want scurvy to kill them off, and i have hard time believing that berries or etc. would grow well in P-A wasteland.

In the end, its unlikely that anyone would be able to really cross atlantic , after nuclear war.

 

[Ravager69]

They *could* find an operative plane, but that's also highly unlikely.

 

[Profit]

First of all I wouldn't call an Irishman British if I were you.

Them rebellious patties will swear to the Empire again, by hook or by crook!

Second of all, Moriarty is only of Irish descent, he didn't actually come from Ireland himself.

Hmm. I assumed from the accent he must have been a foreigner.

Aha...with what boats ? It is post-apocalyptic world you know. Fallout 2 s boat doesn't prove much.

Scrap metal? All the yachts and tugs lying about? Wooden houses? Hell, the trees all look decayed and scrawny, but that probably means that their woodgrain is denser, so they'd still be perfectly adequate.

There is a difference in 200 miles, and crossing A OCEAN.

Less than you'd think. After all, people today cross the ocean in personal sailboats and one-man yachts.

A ship without proper maintainance couldn't cross a ocean, or survive the storms that occur in Atlantic ocean, even if it still could move SHORT distances.

Probably not. But Pinkerton seemed to harbour the idea of getting a bi-sected 200-year old aircraft carrier seaworthy again, and everything else he says he can do he does, so obviously there must be some technical expertise even on this side of the Big Blue.

And no, roman-era ships couldnt cross atlantic, they werent large and developed enough, to carry the amount of food and supplies needed or survive the storms. They didnt have large sails, they mainly used men rowing as propulsion back in the olden days.

You misunderstand me. Could the Romans have crossed their Atlantic in their boats? Probably not, though there is some meagre evidence of Roman ships reaching North America (and sadly the most tantalizing evidence has had tons of sand poured over it by the Brazilian government - sigh). But a good Carthaginian ship, with a map of the world and a little luck, could easily do it.

I want to make this clear - crossing the Atlantic really isn't a huge undertaking. Hell, the Polynesians hopped across the Pacific to South America in their boats, so why the hell couldn't a few people, knowing the gulf streams and northern winds, make a one-way trip across the shorter ocean? Viking ships weren't particularly large or powerful, but they still managed to set up a colony in Newfoundland.

 

[Patton89]

Aha...with what boats ? It is post-apocalyptic world you know. Fallout 2 s boat doesn't prove much.

Scrap metal? All the yachts and tugs lying about? Wooden houses? Hell, the trees all look decayed and scrawny, but that probably means that their woodgrain is denser, so they'd still be perfectly adequate.

There is a difference in 200 miles, and crossing A OCEAN.

Less than you'd think. After all, people today cross the ocean in personal sailboats and one-man yachts.

A ship without proper maintainance couldn't cross a ocean, or survive the storms that occur in Atlantic ocean, even if it still could move SHORT distances.

Probably not. But Pinkerton seemed to harbour the idea of getting a bi-sected 200-year old aircraft carrier seaworthy again, and everything else he says he can do he does, so obviously there must be some technical expertise even on this side of the Big Blue.

And no, roman-era ships couldnt cross atlantic, they werent large and developed enough, to carry the amount of food and supplies needed or survive the storms. They didnt have large sails, they mainly used men rowing as propulsion back in the olden days.

You misunderstand me. Could the Romans have crossed their Atlantic in their boats? Probably not, though there is some meagre evidence of Roman ships reaching North America (and sadly the most tantalizing evidence has had tons of sand poured over it by the Brazilian government - sigh). But a good Carthaginian ship, with a map of the world and a little luck, could easily do it.

I want to make this clear - crossing the Atlantic really isn't a huge undertaking. Hell, the Polynesians hopped across the Pacific to South America in their boats, so why the hell couldn't a few people, knowing the gulf streams and northern winds, make a one-way trip across the shorter ocean? Viking ships weren't particularly large or powerful, but they still managed to set up a colony in Newfoundland.

Scrap ship being able to cross atlantic ? Maybe if they get lucky, but its insanely dangerous. One good storm and the old tree /rusted metal will break apart.

And those one man boats have been manyfactured specifically , so they really arent same thing as possible Post-apoc boat/ship.

And there is a difference, even with excellent boat, and good experince, solo crossing of the ocean is nowhere near SAFE enough for one , older gent to do. With no seafaring experience.
Crossing a ocean is not a simple feat.

Pinkerton can day dream all he wants to, it wont make it any more likely or possible. The amount of tools and metal required is enourmous.

And polynesians had immense experience in seafaring, with knowledge of star navigation, with seafaring lifestyle. You are underestimating them.

Also the evidence that they supposedly got to Americas, is ONE chicken bone found , and dated around 14th, 15th century.
While i personally still think that they got there, the evidence is not undisputable or absolute.
Huge difference from sailing to americas without such an culture.

Would sea charts be worth anything, when the climate likely has been altered by nuclear warfare? Who knows how the currents could have changed.

And it still doesnt change the fact that Bethesda says nothing about it in the game. No explonation.

 

[k9wazere]

What's his motivation to cross the ocean anyhow?

Tenpenny Tower is nice, but it's not that nice. I'm sure there'd be a run-down tower somewhere in Britain/Ireland he could have squatted in :p

 

[Holocausto]

What's his motivation to cross the ocean anyhow?

Tenpenny Tower is nice, but it's not that nice. I'm sure there'd be a run-down tower somewhere in Britain/Ireland he could have squatted in :p

He wanted to impress bethesdas fanbase with his British accent?

 

[Moving Target]

Actually, it's a common misconception that Tenpenny is British. He's actually Imperial. Yup, that's right: In an effort to REALLY improve on Oblivion, Bethesda opened a portal to Tamriel and brought Tenpenny into a retro-50s alternate reality.

He's squatting in the tower because it's the best piece of real estate he's seen so far in the Fallout universe; he wants to destroy Megaton with a nuclear bomb because he doesn't understand how radiation works, and because he brought the Radiant AI with him through the portal. There. I've solved our problems.

 

[Patton89]

Actually, it's a common misconception that Tenpenny is British. He's actually Imperial. Yup, that's right: In an effort to REALLY improve on Oblivion, Bethesda opened a portal to Tamriel and brought Tenpenny into a retro-50s alternate reality.

He's squatting in the tower because it's the best piece of real estate he's seen so far in the Fallout universe; he wants to destroy Megaton with a nuclear bomb because he doesn't understand how radiation works, and because he brought the Radiant AI with him through the portal. There. I've solved our problems.

i wish that was true. Than i could happily dance round and yell that bethesda is bunch of chimpanzees wearing diapers .

 

[Alphadrop]

It's a pretty dodgy accent so you might be right.
Though pretty much every Imperial speaks with a Wes Johnson accent so I would say he's more Morrowind Breton.

 

[José Cruz]

Aha...with what boats ? It is post-apocalyptic world you know. Fallout 2 s boat doesn't prove much.
There is a difference in 200 miles, and crossing A OCEAN.
A ship without proper maintainance couldn't cross a ocean, or survive the storms that occur in Atlantic ocean, even if it still could move SHORT distances.

And no, roman-era ships couldnt cross atlantic, they werent large and developed enough, to carry the amount of food and supplies needed or survive the storms. They didnt have large sails, they mainly used men rowing as propulsion back in the olden days.

Bethesda was lazy, they never explained HOW tenpenny got to US.

On the size of a roman ship, from wikipedia:

Caligula's "Giant Ship", also known as the 'round ship', was a very large barge whose ruins were found during the construction of Rome's Leonardo da Vinci International Airport in Fiumicino, Italy. This was previously a Roman port a few miles north of Ostia at the mouth of the Tiber River.
This Roman barge had a length of between 95 and 104 meters (341 ft) and a beam of about 20.3 meters (66 ft). It was 6 decks high, displaced a minimum of 7400 tons, and carried a crew of 700-800.

So the romans knew how to make very large ships. The fact is that they didn't have the incentive to discover America. If they wanted, they could have discovered it.

However, about Fallout 3 and Tenpenny. If Fallout 3 were consistent with the story of fallout 2, then, civilization would have progressed enough after 200 years of reconstruction to make seaworthy vessels. Well, some guys up north (outside the fallout 3 map) can make androids... This is way harder than make a seaworthy vessel.

 

[k9wazere]

One thing that bothered me was the levitation eye-bots.

Levitating.

They have working levitation machines. Anti-grav units.

So why the hell does no one think to use an up-scaled version of the eye-bot drive for transportation craft?

How hard could it be for the BoS to grab an eye-bot (or 5), and use the grav devices in something more useful? Like a levitating gun platform?

It seemed totally unfathomable that, in a world where people move around on foot, they had fitted a radio with an anti-grav device.

Weird.