The Ultimate Movie Thread of Ultimate Destiny

[Crni Vuk]

I hope this 80's movie remakes shit fad goes away fast....

you know, that is one of the shit things of becoming older. You are forced to go over the same shit over and over again, except that this time its sucks, but all the people around you are to young to understand what you're talking about, so you're just this crazy old looner in their eyes.

And I am in my 30s damnit (at least in 2 months)! As teenagers we started to think about people like that which have been in their 60s!

 

[maximaz]

(Actually, Clark as Sarah Connor might be one of the best choices...

Ughh. Do you honestly enjoy her acting at all?

Also:



That looks laughably terrible, like a kid playing with a gun. Seriously it's the size of her forearm. Are there no tough looking women in hollywood?

 

[Walpknut]

Don't worry, I'm sure they'll move on to 90s movies soon enough.

Oh fuck, my childhood!!!

 

[Crni Vuk]

That looks laughably terrible, like a kid playing with a gun. Seriously it's the size of her forearm. Are there no tough looking women in hollywood?

actually ... why has she to use a gun at all? If they REALLY want to stay true with Terminator 1, if it is a reboot, then Sarah is not this super-military-I-eat-Terminators-for-brakefast-chick, this was more her character in T2. She was pretty ordinary as far as people goes, and that is what made her role a stark contrast to Kyle, who was this battle hardened resistance fighter suffering from his experiences on the battlefield, beeint almost more machine then human, who would not hesitate to do what he has to do to keep her alive.

But, yeah, we have to give up ANY hope that this movie will be even REMOTELY as good like T1. Just look at those polished super-hot looking actors. I mean realy? She is supposed to be this "normal" woman that gets told to be the mother of the saviour? And that guy is supposed to be Kyle? Urgh. One of the great things about T1 was that its actors looked and felt very real, not like polished super-models that hit the gym every second day. I am really missing this realism from older movies, like with Alien or T1. Today many actors look like they have been feed boxes of soap since their childhood.

 

[Yamu]

Welp, looks like we've got some plot details.

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Sarah Connor isn't the innocent she was when Linda Hamilton first sported feathered hair and acid-washed jeans in the role. Nor is she Hamilton's steely zero body-fat warrior in 1991's T2. Rather, the mother of humanity's messiah was orphaned by a Terminator at age 9. Since then, she's been raised by (brace yourself) Schwarzenegger's Terminator—an older T-800 she calls "Pops"—who is programmed to guard rather than to kill. As a result, Sarah is a highly trained antisocial recluse who's great with a sniper rifle but not so skilled at the nuances of human emotion.

(Source)

ABANDON SHIP

(I'm actually still holding out hope. Then again, I'm still trying not to be too cynical about Fallout 4, too, so I won't blame you if you choose to react differently.)

 

[Walpknut]

Wait, so it's not gonna have time travel but it'll be post apocalyptic from the get go? It could work....

 

[Akratus]

Marvel's Phase 3:

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They afterwards re-revealed the Captain America 3 movie as the Civil War movie.

 

[SnapSlav]

All the best parts of Terminator 3 came at the end. My God, that ending.

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"Skynet was software." The dawning realization that the bunker they were in was the one shown in the original films. The humble beginnings of the resistance. Most of all, I think, the feeling that we were witnessing history, almost prophecy, being fulfilled and subverted at the same time-- The people on the other end of that radio were getting the John Connor that Kyle Reese had lionized in the first film: mysterious stranger who knew the score when everyone else was lost in the dark, man in control, last best hope of humanity. To us, the audience, though: John Connor, scared kid, placed in the right place and forearmed with the right knowledge by the vagaries of fate, forced to play out a pre-ordained part he'd known by rote from childhood but had spent his entire life trying to dodge.

If they'd been able to slap together a better hundred or so minutes to tack that onto, the movie could have been amazing.

Who said that quote? That was surprisingly well summarized, despite the issues I took with T3.

If, like you said, they had a much better setup for the rest of the film, T3 would have been much better, but for me the primary problems were what it shared with T2. Reese pointed out explicitly that each Terminator was different, which is why he had to shadow Sarah for a while until the Terminator made its move, otherwise he wouldn't know "who" to look for, yet the same looking Terminator was reprogrammed and sent back in T2, and again in T3. It was successfully sent back in the first film, despite the time machine being incapable of sending back inorganic matter, because it was a cyborg, yet both the T1000 and T-X were fully robotic and successfully traveled back "naked", a glaring inconsistency. The original Terminator was sent back as a last ditch effort by Skynet to undo its loss of the war against the Resistance, whereas inexplicably it sent incrementally more advanced models in 2 different assassination missions after the first, almost as if anticipating the fatalistic nature of each mission's failure, contradicting its survivalist intention in sending the first back to begin with. And of course the entire premise of having changed the timeline AT ALL is another contradiction with the self-consistency presented by the first film (the "prophecy fulfilling" events being created by the attempt to change them).

They could have indeed done something to make T3 better, and that quote is a lovely illustration of its qualities, but ultimately, at best, it would've been a flawed story just as much as T2, and at best no better than T2, making the first The Terminator film still the series high point.

 

[Crni Vuk]

some of the criticism could be thrown at T1 as well though, because ... time travel and logic doesnt work. So complaining about it makes little sense in my opinion. The whole situaiton of T1 is literaly one big paradoxon.

 

[UniversalWolf]

some of the criticism could be thrown at T1 as well though, because ... time travel and logic doesnt work. So complaining about it makes little sense in my opinion. The whole situaiton of T1 is literaly one big paradoxon.

T2 fails (despite some pretty good stuff in it) because the Arnold-Terminator develops feelings. Any post-Blade Runner story where emotionless robot killers develop human feelings probably gets this from me:



Unless it's exceptionally good.

 

[Akratus]

Did Arnie develop feelings though? I just remember him as coming to an understanding on the logic behind tear production.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Unless it's exceptionally good.

most people agree that it is exceptionally good :p

*shrugs*

 

[SnapSlav]

some of the criticism could be thrown at T1 as well though, because ... time travel and logic doesnt work. So complaining about it makes little sense in my opinion. The whole situaiton of T1 is literaly one big paradoxon.

That's just not true. While you can argue that time travel is physically impossible, that's a separate discussion to whether T1's depiction of the fiction of time travel was consistent, which it was. You're using the argument of "logic" to refute something without logic, thereby nullifying your sentiment. My criticisms of T2 and T3 stand because I point out direct contradictions that they themselves impose upon their own lore by simply existing. These contradictions are independent of any discussion about the theoretical impossibilities of time travel; they're regarding story contradictions in movies.

 

[Crni Vuk]

not true? The whole situation in T1 is a time-paradoxon example par excellence. What would happen if Skynet decided not to send a Terminator back trough time? Exactly. No Skynet. No War. No John Connor. It was always one of those things that kinda hit me with that movie in particular, despite the fact that it is a really well made movie, its not ruining it, but it doesnt make really much sense either, even if we ignore of course that time travel for it self is impossible.

 

[maximaz]

 

[Akratus]

I refuse to acknowledge the existence of a non-t2 Sarah Connor.

 

[Crni Vuk]

I am pretty sure the movie will set new records with expenses.

10% probably of all the money to explosions.

89% to Arnold.

The rest for Viagra. To keep him ... you know

And the raping of the franchise just doesnt want to stop ...

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I swear ... this might actually turn out SO BAD that it might become almost good again ... because you have to watch it. Its like a full trainwreck, with all the blood, guts and dead people. You cant look away. But you cant look at it either.

 

[Walpknut]

That dude in the bike is the new Terminator? He is no Arnie at all. Looks more like a Jonas Brother on steroids trying too hard to make a tough face. Like Bale's Batman voice.

 

[Yamu]

Who said that quote? That was surprisingly well summarized, despite the issues I took with T3.

Those were my own thoughts, and thanks. I just put them in spoilertags on the off chance that there was a single person left on the internet who hadn't seen T3 yet and would actually care about having the ending blown.

I try not to nitpick time-travel logic too much in fiction, as any presumptions about why it would or wouldn't work would have to be based in the specious faith that we have any notion of how fourth-dimensional travel and interactions would actually work, or about the dimensional structure of our cosmology. Given the nature (and techno-babble misinterpretation/simplification) of quantum mechanics and popular interpretations of multiverse theory, they don't necessarily even need to seem internally consistent. I only ever ask that one very basic, very subjective criterion is met: is it presented in a way that's cool? At the very least, is it presented in a way that's not stupid?

That dude in the bike is the new Terminator?

No, that's Kyle Reese, which somehow actually seems worse, though I'll hold out final judgement until I actually see the man act. I haven't read the full Entertainment Weekly article, but IMBD has the new T800 as one Aaron Williamson, seen here bellowing at some tits. Williamson's own page just has him credited as the film's fitness trainer, though (which, parsing his filmography, seems to be his niche in the industry). It's all still a little unclear at this point.

Edit: Nope, I was wrong, IMDB just has the "actor" section of his profile minimized by default. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you our goblin-eared cyborg oppressor.

 

[Walpknut]

Well at least that guy looks like he enjoys pumping iron on the same level Arnie did.

edit: What is a "Genisys" anyway? A "KEWL" way of spelling Genesis?