Trump wins

As we have talked about in past discussions, I am not strictly anti government programs. Stuff like cutting taxes and reasonable change is fine.

But we were not talking about reasonable in past discussions, I was talking about how bad Bernie Sanders plans were and how they were not going to work in the states and you or other people, saying his plan WOULD work in the states.
 
Crni Vuk said:
Was Toront really saying that Trump or everyone who voted Trump is/was racist? Or that just a lot of racist people voted ALSO for Trump?

Seriously, you have no problem to say that SJW idiots, voted for clinton. But dare someone says lots of racist people voted for Trump. Then! Of course, it's time to take up arms.

Has the idea of middle ground been comletely lost?

And that example about complaining-about-complainers-is-actually-allright ... yeah, beacuse this is what this topic is about. Showing how disgusting SJWs and PC is ... in a community that acutally doesn't have any love for those people ... you guys are true rebells!
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Your English is starting to fail you Crni, it's getting hard to read what you're trying to say. Regardless I'll try to address your points.

Number one, Toront DID say that all racists are Trump supporters because he posted this in his big spoiler:

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So that's fact check number 1.

The point of counteracting his post is the fact that Toront seems to act like only Trump is the fascist racist one just because he was supported by the KKK, but nothing gets said or done about how Clinton has also been supported by the KKK on numerous occasions. It's the pot calling the kettle black. I don't see what your point is. I'm sure plenty of racist people DID vote for Trump but the fact of the matter is you don't have to be a racist to vote for Trump, plenty of racists voted for Clinton too. If he thinks the same thing about Clinton then that's fine, but it sure as Hell hasn't been reflected by his posts.
 
Ragemage said:
Toront, you keep calling Trump a racist, sexist, homophobic, fascist, insert buzzword here, but uh, what's all this then gov'?





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https://mic.com/articles/137828/mor...d-trump-over-marco-rubio-poll-says#.XOfFr2AxV


And I can keep going and going and going. Has Trump been perceived as racist by the Media? Yes. Has he "given a voice" to racists, bigots, homophobes, etc? Yes. Do you know why? Because that's all the Media has talked about for the last 6 months. Of course people think Trump is some evil bigot because it's all the news wants you to hear. The point is, he's not.

Meanwhile you say all racists voted for Trump, but uh, yeah no:



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http://www.dailywire.com/news/8696/flashback-bill-clinton-once-justified-robert-byrds-hank-berrien#



And more and more and more. Do I really need to keep going? because I certainly can. And before you call out the picture on the right with Byrd in the KKK outfit being fake, I'm well aware of that fact, but the point is he was still in the KKK. If Donald Trump can be shit on for David Duke endorsing him when Duke left the KKK more than 30 years ago, then Clinton should also be shit on just as much for letting Byrd support her despite him also having left the KKK.

The point is, the Media has completely brainwashed you. Trump has said some shitty things about women in the past, sure, but he isn't saying them now. If he were as intolerant as the Media made him out to be, he would not have won, period. Look at this map:

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He could not have won all this with only the "racist white male" vote. He was voted in by men and women of all races and religions. This is a fact.
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Don't forget how they're allowed to hate on women and minorities who voted for Trump, it's not "racist" or "misogynistic" because they support them!(Which is a lie, just shameless pandering).
 
Ragemage said:
So that's fact check number 1.

The point of counteracting his post is the fact that Toront seems to act like only Trump is the fascist racist one just because he was supported by the KKK, but nothing gets said or done about how Clinton has also been supported by the KKK on numerous occasions. It's the pot calling the kettle black. I don't see what your point is. I'm sure plenty of racist people DID vote for Trump but the fact of the matter is you don't have to be a racist to vote for Trump, plenty of racists voted for Clinton too. If he thinks the same thing about Clinton then that's fine, but it sure as Hell hasn't been reflected by his posts.
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I think the point is, that Toront wanted to 'display' that everyone, not just the ones that hate SJWs and PC, can post some silly memes as like that would be a valid argument and just creatinga a we-against-them kind of situation. Which if I am not mistaken, was also something that Toront said as well.
 
Crni Vuk said:
I think the point is, that Toront wanted to 'display' that everyone, not just the ones that hate SJWs and PC, can post some silly memes as like that would be a valid argument and just creatinga a we-against-them kind of situation. Which if I am not mistaken, was also something that Toront said as well.
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Well it's not just the memes, it's the little quips he made below all of that. Like how most right-wingers apparently don't believe in science and how the Green Party should have backed Clinton. Global Warming is really the only big point of contention, and really the only reason it is is because the whole "97% of ALL scientists believe in GW" is a fabrication. I think of people were more honest about Global Warming and we actually let scientists that don't believe in it speak out instead of immediately lambasting them because it's been part of the social conscience for so long, then we could get something done. There needs to be dissenters to everything, else we all become mindless sheep who don't bother to fact check a single thing. It's why I also think people in Europe shouldn't be arrested for denying the Holocaust. Instead of doing something as extreme as that, educate people. If you arrest dissenters or make them lose their job over an opinion, then all that does is fuel the fire for more dissenters to come along because instead of disproving anything you only try to shut them down, and it doesn't work that way.
 
IMO, I think most people believe that pollution and global warming is a problem.

What ruins the whole thing is snowflakes, SJWs, super hippies, and the like, blowing the whole thing out of fucking proportion and demanding ALL GREEN ENERGY IMMEDIATELY, BAN EVERYTHING ELSE.
 
Yeeah ... that sounds a bit extreme now, or not? I won't argue about the fact that there are some real morons out there, but I think it is pretty clear that coal, oil and the other traditional industries have a lot of influence the US and Europe are not even CLOSE to where they should be, when you look at the targets. I mean Trump was has gone into this campaign with the claimed to dry the swamp, remember?

Ragemage said:
Global Warming is really the only big point of contention, and really the only reason it is is because the whole "97% of ALL scientists believe in GW" is a fabrication. I think of people were more honest about Global Warming and we actually let scientists that don't believe in it speak out instead of immediately lambasting them because it's been part of the social conscience for so long, then we could get something done.
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*Shrugs*
Sure there are plenty of unsolved problems and active debates in climate science. But if you look at the research papers coming out these days, the debates are about things like why model predictions of outgoing longwave radiation at the top of the atmosphere in tropical latitudes differ from satellite readings, or how the size of ice crystals in cirrus clouds affect the amount of incoming shortwave reflected back into space, or precisely how much stratospheric cooling can be attributed to ozone depletion rather than an enhanced greenhouse effect.

No one in the climate science community is debating whether or not changes in atmospheric CO2 concentrations alter the greenhouse effect, or if the current warming trend is outside of the range of natural variability, or if sea levels have risen over the last century.


This is where there is a consensus.

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While theories and viewpoints in conflict with the above do exist, their proponents constitute a very small minority. If we require unanimity before being confident, well, we can’t be sure the earth isn’t hollow either.
 
The map of the US is a bit of a deceiving image; Trump did not, after all's said and done, win the popular vote. Yeah, the rural portions of the country voted for him en masse, but well, they don't compose 95% of the country's population even if they do occupy 95% of the space. In the end, Trump was given his victory by the circa 100k disgruntled people in the Rust Belt that voted for him, and all the Democrats that refused to vote Clinton for understandable reasons, thus flipping three key states by margins nearing 1%. This isn't exactly a mass movement here.

That said, of course not only racists and mysoginists voted Trump. I doubt he's either of those things himself; as I said, i think he just doesn't much care about anyone but himself, so there's not a lot of space there to hate a specific group of people. Angry people voted for Trump. The problem with that is, next time around he's going to be the establishment, and with his almost unprecedented control over Wasghington politics he can't blame anything on anyone else.

Also, boy oh boy are his cabinet nominations hilarious. Newt Gingritch? Ye gods, so much for being anti-establishment, he's just switching it right back to the Republican side this time. Oh, and I heard he put a climate change denier as head of EPA; what next, an anti-vaxxer as Surgeon General? A hippie at the head of the Pentagon?
 
Ragemage said:
Your English is starting to fail you Crni, it's getting hard to read what you're trying to say. Regardless I'll try to address your points.

Number one, Toront DID say that all racists are Trump supporters because he posted this in his big spoiler:

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So that's fact check number 1.
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*sigh*
He posted this as part of a post explicitly about pointless shitposting of memes. I somehow doubt it's meant to be taken seriously. Although I'd guess that a racist would be more inclined to vote Trump than Clinton if he had to chose one of them as the promise of getting out the illegal immigrants and building a wall is better than nothing.
DirtyOldShoe said:
Science != History
You may be skilled in science, but history suggests that Left is not best, especially for someone with your lineage.
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wat
You make it sound like I support some revolutionary far left movement or whatever. I want the current (european) mainstream left to change because while I (used to) agree with a lot of their points on social democracy, I strongly disagree with the pseudomarxist/poststructuralist/intersectionalist influence that undermines the mainstream left right now. My hope is that the current mainstream left realizes that they can't go on like this, that these influences make them toxic.

Dr Fallout said:
The left isn't even leftist anymore.
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Exactly. They left behind the working class and the masses and focused on minorities and academic "elites" instead. And now they're wondering why they're losing.
 
Hassknecht said:
Exactly. They left behind the working class and the masses and focused on minorities and academic "elites" instead. And now they're wondering why they're losing.
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Yeah, it's a real damn shame when the REPUBLICANS scoop up the working classes better then the left does. Last time I checked, the point of the left was to make working conditions better.
 
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