What are your opinions on Jrpgs?

I always find it super suspect whenever someone discredits anything because of country of origin. Either They are just being edgy and stubborn or something darker is going on there.
 
It's ignorance. Pure and simple. When all you know about a genre is second hand information from edgy PC gamers, you get a twisted view on things. I usually see people boast of them never having played a console. Gee whiz you are a badass dude. You have not played most of the good games in existence. Kudos. Hahaha.

Look bros. I hate anime aesthetic as much as the next dude. But this here?
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Those are good games. I am convinced it is due to how shit anime has become since the 90's. Persona 1 and 2 looked totally different than the ones that came after. They got real emo for one.
 
Persona 3 had an emo look but not an Emo tone, altho that ones is too experimental for it's own good so none of the elements it introduced to the series that were later improved and refined really work that well, even the Tarot Motif is a little too on the mainstream side with the big Villain being the Death Arcana and all. Characters were the usual SMT fare, which sees darker and troubled characterization, but applied to teenagers which makes a lot of the come off as overtly serious and whining.

Persona 4 and 5 did a better job juggling the anime non sense, the calendar progression and the balance between Comedy and seriousness.

I hear Tactics Ogre is also pretty good on the strategy genre but I haven't played them.

I don't get how you can call Stardew Valley and Pokemon as of the same genre, or even Monster Rancher and stardew valley. Stardew Valley isn't even Japanese so you are now projecting irrational hatred everywhere.
 
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Walpknut said:
Persona 3 had an emo look but not an Emo tone, altho that ones is too experimental for it's own good so none of the elements it introduced to the series that were later improved and refined really work that well, even the Tarot Motif is a little too on the mainstream side with the big Villain being the Death Arcana and all. Characters were the usual SMT fare, which sees darker and troubled characterization, but applied to teenagers which makes a lot of the come off as overtly serious and whining.

Persona 4 and 5 did a better job juggling the anime non sense, the calendar progression and the balance between Comedy and seriousness.

I hear Tactics Ogre is also pretty good on the strategy genre but I haven't played them.

I don't get how you can call Stardew Valley amd Pokemon as of the same genre, or even Monster Rancher and stardewvalley. Stardew Valley isn't even Japanese so you are now prpjecting irrational hatred everywhere.
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Play Tactics Ogre man. If you like FFT at all, you owe it to yourself to play a more "adult" version of the genre.

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I like the lore that says FF12 and Vagrant Story and FFT take place on the same planet.
 
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Soulsborne is a Japanese ARPG series. JARPG. Does that not fit? A ARPG is still a bloody RPG.

All I'm seeing is 'oh that's not a JRPG, oh that's not, oh that's not'. What is this, the no-true-scotsman of JRPGs? What is a 'real' JRPG then? Persona? I'm not giving the whole field another chance. I played a lot of them on the PC and GBA and I didn't like any of them. That's all there is to it. If that includes nearly every game from Japan, then so be it. Didn't like FF or FE or NMH or MR or AW or AC or Soulsborne or Yakuza. I found their stories trite, idiotic, and infantile, their gameplay bare and basic, and their style grating on the eyes. If that's a product of their game industry culture or my own biases, or more likely just the two clashing, then so be it.

And Walp. "every monster rancher and derivatives (Stardew Valley, ugh)". Is not Stardew Valley toted around as being some Unofficial Sequel to the Monster Rancher Series? Still was bored as absolute fuck playing that grindfest.
 
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I found their stories trite, idiotic, and infantile, their gameplay bare and basic.
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This is the first time I've seen anyone use this to refer to Dark Souls and Stardew Valley.
I'm curious tho, what is a "deep" story to you? What is "complex" gameplay? If your answer will be anything along the lines of "it needs to be like tabletop!" or "It needs to be told using dialogue with dialogue options!" then don't even bother replying.
 
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Soulsborne is a Japanese ARPG series. JARPG. Does that not fit? A ARPG is still a bloody RPG.

All I'm seeing is 'oh that's not a JRPG, oh that's not, oh that's not'. What is this, the no-true-scotsman of JRPGs? What is a 'real' JRPG then? Persona? I'm not giving the whole field another chance. I played a lot of them on the PC and GBA and I didn't like any of them. That's all there is to it. If that includes nearly every game from Japan, then so be it. Didn't like FF or FE or NMH or MR or AW or AC or Soulsborne or Yakuza. I found their stories trite, idiotic, and infantile, their gameplay bare and basic, and their style grating on the eyes. If that's a product of their game industry culture or my own biases, or more likely just the two clashing, then so be it.

And Walp. "every monster rancher and derivatives (Stardew Valley, ugh)". Is not Stardew Valley toted around as being some Unofficial Sequel to the Monster Rancher Series? Still was bored as absolute fuck playing that grindfest.
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GBA had a bunch of shitty tactical RPG's with garbage stories. It did have the best ports of FF5 and 6. Souls is a RPG whether people admit it or not. It even has alternate endings like dat Fallout game nobody played. Diablo is a RPG too. *smashes face into desk*

My desk is not a RPG.
 
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Most of JRPGs i ever played are those RPG Maker 2000/2003 games during the early 2000 because i only have PC at the time. Some of them are good, and some of them are bad, but all of those have one thing in common: their game are all about story the one making the game want to tell you, and most of the time you are not allowed to change how story will go.
During my college years, i was able to play many of old JRPG thanks to emulator, thinking maybe those big ones will be much different. I'm both right and wrong in the same time, the good ones like Chrono Trigger do offer you certain degree of choices and consequence and different endings, while the normal/bad ones don't offer you much of choices, just railway you through story and have combat in between.
It's hard for me to consider those normal/bad ones as RPG because those all played just like an adventure game but replaced puzzles with combat that often is just too long, you can still have fun with that kind of games, but if there is no way for player to alter the story like the good ones did, then how can it be consider as a RPG?
I haven't played any JRPG since then because most of them are only on console, so i don't have much to say about those JRPG in recent days. Perhaps they start to making it while care more about player agency, or the opposite, i don't know and likely won't care.
Ain't going to spend money on console when PC is a much better choice anyway. Maybe except for Switch.
 
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I used to love playing Shining Force, a Tactical RPG on the Sega Mega Drive (or Sega Genesis for some), when I was young.
 
Ad hominem is a fallacy and therefore has little to no value in proper discourse. I hate resorting to it and actively avoid it, but there are instances where that is almost impossible.
When someone bundles together a huge number of very different games and says they dislike them for whatever arbitrary quality they deem unappealing, well, okay, fine, whatever. That's natural.

But when someone bundles together a huge number of very different games, and labels them all as "trite, idiotic, and infantile, their gameplay bare and basic, and their style grating on the eyes", that points me these three conclusions:
a) that person knows jackshit about what they are talking about;
b) that person is purposefully acting malignant in such a manner for whatever reason (on a scale from "edgy" to whatever strikes your fancy);
c) that person is an idiot.

Mind you, none of these conclusions contradicts the other, so multiple results are possible.

Now, I don't know Eshanas (I don't think I've seen that avatar ever before), so I'm going to go ahead and give the benefit of the doubt regarding the option c), but as far as a) and b) are concerned, so far it seems like both are equally possible.




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Back to actual Japanese games, speaking of Soulsborne;
I'm a huge fan of them. Dark Souls is, along with Fallout and Planescape Torment, my favorite game. It's not a flawless title, but is definitely one of the most satisfying gaming experiences I've ever had.
Dark Souls 2 and 3 are great in their own right, but none of them come close to the original in their scope and execution. Though both of them reach higher peaks than their predecessor, they also fall far lower in their weak points.

In any case, my love for these games was enough for me to buy a PS4 - first console I've ever bought - so that I could play Bloodborne. Admittedly, Bloodborne wasn't the only PS4 exclusive I was interested in, but it was the main deciding factor. I don't regret it one bit, and Bloodborne itself has climbed pretty high on top of that favorite games list - maybe as high as Fallout, PST and DS.

I kinda regret never playing Demon's Souls much. I did manage to run it on my PC through an emulator and played a bit through it, but it was quite unstable, so I deleted it. Maybe some day.
 
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I used to love playing Shining Force, a Tactical RPG on the Sega Mega Drive (or Sega Genesis for some), when I was young.
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That game in particular has very good combat. I played the second one in Iraq on some disc that ran emulators on my modded Xbox. I didn't own a Sega anything as a kid so I was catching up.

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Plus video games once had awesome advertisements.
 
Earthbound and Mother 3 are unplayable. AWESOME chars and story. Awful AWFUL combat. Jesus, is so bad. I just..I can't.
 
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