What was the Funniest Argument You've had with a Bethesda Apologist?

KingArthur said:
Fallout to me means thought provoking storylines on the nature of man and government post apocalypse, and various themes of how humanity adapts, changes, or appeals to its better angels. 1 and 2, while very much typical “hero stories”, also left leeway for severe Machiavellian tendencies on the part of the player without it breaking the game. The Beth Fallouts don’t even get that right, with the Lone Wanderer being constantly berated if he’s bad rather than actually feared, and the Sole Survivor being another “blank slate” but one that isn’t even done well enough to have any actions, good or bad, have gravity.
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That's a pretty fair assessment imo.
 
Thank. And that’s the thing; I honestly like 3 and 4. But they’re not good games, don’t have good stories or characters, etc etc. They’re just bland, tasteless dumb fun. Which is ok, but in my eyes that’s the very antithesis to what Fallout is.
 
KingArthur said:
It’s the beginning of Beth’s downhill slide, to be blunt. It’s not a true RPG, rather the beginning of the casualization (is that a word?) of the genre. To put it simply.
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I still think this is one of the best Videos concering the Elder Scrolls and Bethesda.



Seriously though. When it comes to Bethesda and what they are today there is a lot of history behind it. I sadly can not remember all the details anymore. There have been topics about it here on NMA and there was a hell of a lot of stuff going on with the guy that actually created the Elder Scrolls and how he was kicked out of his own company. Todd Howards first game was Future Schock, a Terminator Shooter. Bethesda has also a track record of really screwing companies working under them.

There was a Star Trek forum dedicated to a few Star Trek games when Bethesda was publishing them. But oh boy. Some people used to post there I think. Well that was more than a decade ago. They really hated Bethesda. But I have to say when you look at what Bethesda did to the game they loved it's hardly a surprise.
 
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KingArthur said:
Thank. And that’s the thing; I honestly like 3 and 4. But they’re not good games, don’t have good stories or characters, etc etc. They’re just bland, tasteless dumb fun. Which is ok, but in my eyes that’s the very antithesis to what Fallout is.
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It's fun to shoot raiders and watch their heads explode in Fallout 4, and I like the aesthetic of the world, but it certainly a bland video game. On Fallout 3, I think Bethesda at least tried to give a genuine attempt at the series. But, Fallout 4 feels as if Bethesda made the most generic "RPG" and just used the Fallout universe for money and sales.
 
That was a journey it starts out well enough, but apparently shit went sideways because I skipped around a little and an NMA members just quoted like 30 insults he said to people.
 
Sicknessoverload said:
there's not going to be a new turn based Fallout
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Current IP owners may not be interested in making turn-based Fallout, but to say one will never be made is factually wrong.

There have been 3 turn-based Fallouts released in the last 5 years (Resurrection, Nevada and Sonora that was released just this March), with a 4th one somewhere on the horizon (Mutants Rising). Then there're two separate attempts at finally making Van Buren.
 
Sicknessoverload said:
e was outnumbered and I wanted to help a fellow Fallout 3 fan. What kind of heresy did he commit?
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May as well reply cause I originally responded to Chunglord. He called me a lobotomite within 2 posts, which showed his nature quite nicely.

His argument was more on New Vegas than Fallout 3, but his only reference as to what was good was Fallout 3. But, he presented no good arguments as to why Fallout 3 was a good game (largely cause there aren't any or many.) He came in like you did, went for a provocative approach, and left after a few days. He did provide some good humour though, as do the many posters of his ilk who are gonna finally convince the NMA hardliners that Bethesda Fallouts are good.
 
I don't want Bethesda to even attempt any turn based game because i would bet good money it would be a disaster. Also the problems with their games go well beyond just the gameplay, so making it turn based wouldn't fix much at all.

Meanwhile i'm having my fill of solid turn based isometric rpgs with Underrail and Atom RPG, so i couldn't give less of a shit if Bethesda doesn't want to make them.
 
You guys don’t get it, Fallout 3 draws on the primal fear of losing a parent, and by simply flipping the roles in 4 Bethesda is showing how skilled they are; they can afford to skimp on writing because they’ve made the story heartbreaking. With as little work as possible.


Still a better argument than calling my friend a lobotomite... how many times? In his initial post, then like 3 times more iirc
 
KingArthur said:
how many times?
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Oh, just the once, then Squad called it him back. He left too quickly before he could do much else. I try my best to be civil on the forums, but I can't say I was displeased at that.

KingArthur said:
You guys don’t get it, Fallout 3 draws on the primal fear of losing a parent, and by simply flipping the roles in 4 Bethesda is showing how skilled they are; they can afford to skimp on writing because they’ve made the story heartbreaking.
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Well, there is a skill in making so much money and acclaim off of these games, and even if there isn't, there is a part of many of us who would want to be that not-skilled, counting the money. It isn't bad to admit that, even if there is a slight resentment at how it was achieved.
 
Well, certainly. Everyone would love to be Todd “I wasn’t really in chess club” Howard, if only so we could sit on the cash and say “who’s laughing now?”. But personally, I have more respect for the creators of games like Atom, who put passion into their work. Give me a good game with comparatively little mainstream acclaim any day.
 
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