What was the Funniest Argument You've had with a Bethesda Apologist?

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by FlashBash64, May 13, 2016.

  1. KingArthur

    KingArthur When’ll you wake up n’ see/true freedom is anarchy

    Jun 25, 2018
    Fallout to me means thought provoking storylines on the nature of man and government post apocalypse, and various themes of how humanity adapts, changes, or appeals to its better angels. 1 and 2, while very much typical “hero stories”, also left leeway for severe Machiavellian tendencies on the part of the player without it breaking the game. The Beth Fallouts don’t even get that right, with the Lone Wanderer being constantly berated if he’s bad rather than actually feared, and the Sole Survivor being another “blank slate” but one that isn’t even done well enough to have any actions, good or bad, have gravity.
     
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  2. ResetRPG

    ResetRPG Hail Damn State

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    That's a pretty fair assessment imo.
     
  3. KingArthur

    KingArthur When’ll you wake up n’ see/true freedom is anarchy

    Jun 25, 2018
    Thank. And that’s the thing; I honestly like 3 and 4. But they’re not good games, don’t have good stories or characters, etc etc. They’re just bland, tasteless dumb fun. Which is ok, but in my eyes that’s the very antithesis to what Fallout is.
     
  4. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I still think this is one of the best Videos concering the Elder Scrolls and Bethesda.



    Seriously though. When it comes to Bethesda and what they are today there is a lot of history behind it. I sadly can not remember all the details anymore. There have been topics about it here on NMA and there was a hell of a lot of stuff going on with the guy that actually created the Elder Scrolls and how he was kicked out of his own company. Todd Howards first game was Future Schock, a Terminator Shooter. Bethesda has also a track record of really screwing companies working under them.

    There was a Star Trek forum dedicated to a few Star Trek games when Bethesda was publishing them. But oh boy. Some people used to post there I think. Well that was more than a decade ago. They really hated Bethesda. But I have to say when you look at what Bethesda did to the game they loved it's hardly a surprise.
     
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  5. ResetRPG

    ResetRPG Hail Damn State

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    It's fun to shoot raiders and watch their heads explode in Fallout 4, and I like the aesthetic of the world, but it certainly a bland video game. On Fallout 3, I think Bethesda at least tried to give a genuine attempt at the series. But, Fallout 4 feels as if Bethesda made the most generic "RPG" and just used the Fallout universe for money and sales.
     
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  6. Sicknessoverload

    Sicknessoverload Still Mildly Glowing

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    That was a journey it starts out well enough, but apparently shit went sideways because I skipped around a little and an NMA members just quoted like 30 insults he said to people.
     
  7. Sicknessoverload

    Sicknessoverload Still Mildly Glowing

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    Fallout 4 isn't a good RPG? Why? Yes. No. (Yes) Sarcastic Yes.
     
  8. Sicknessoverload

    Sicknessoverload Still Mildly Glowing

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    Chunglord? He was my inspiration to start talking on here. He was outnumbered and I wanted to help a fellow Fallout 3 fan. What kind of heresy did he commit?
     
  9. Alphons

    Alphons National Beholder

    Aug 9, 2017
    Current IP owners may not be interested in making turn-based Fallout, but to say one will never be made is factually wrong.

    There have been 3 turn-based Fallouts released in the last 5 years (Resurrection, Nevada and Sonora that was released just this March), with a 4th one somewhere on the horizon (Mutants Rising). Then there're two separate attempts at finally making Van Buren.
     
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  10. Sicknessoverload

    Sicknessoverload Still Mildly Glowing

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    I meant one made by Bethesda, I know there's fan mods.
     
  11. TheOtherManInTheRoom

    TheOtherManInTheRoom Watchman

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    Mar 28, 2018
    May as well reply cause I originally responded to Chunglord. He called me a lobotomite within 2 posts, which showed his nature quite nicely.

    His argument was more on New Vegas than Fallout 3, but his only reference as to what was good was Fallout 3. But, he presented no good arguments as to why Fallout 3 was a good game (largely cause there aren't any or many.) He came in like you did, went for a provocative approach, and left after a few days. He did provide some good humour though, as do the many posters of his ilk who are gonna finally convince the NMA hardliners that Bethesda Fallouts are good.
     
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  12. Norzan

    Norzan Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Apr 7, 2017
    I don't want Bethesda to even attempt any turn based game because i would bet good money it would be a disaster. Also the problems with their games go well beyond just the gameplay, so making it turn based wouldn't fix much at all.

    Meanwhile i'm having my fill of solid turn based isometric rpgs with Underrail and Atom RPG, so i couldn't give less of a shit if Bethesda doesn't want to make them.
     
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  13. TheOtherManInTheRoom

    TheOtherManInTheRoom Watchman

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    A fairly safe bet. Bethesda hasn't done any different since 2006 really.
     
  14. KingArthur

    KingArthur When’ll you wake up n’ see/true freedom is anarchy

    Jun 25, 2018
    You guys don’t get it, Fallout 3 draws on the primal fear of losing a parent, and by simply flipping the roles in 4 Bethesda is showing how skilled they are; they can afford to skimp on writing because they’ve made the story heartbreaking. With as little work as possible.


    Still a better argument than calling my friend a lobotomite... how many times? In his initial post, then like 3 times more iirc
     
  15. TheOtherManInTheRoom

    TheOtherManInTheRoom Watchman

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    Mar 28, 2018
    Oh, just the once, then Squad called it him back. He left too quickly before he could do much else. I try my best to be civil on the forums, but I can't say I was displeased at that.

    Well, there is a skill in making so much money and acclaim off of these games, and even if there isn't, there is a part of many of us who would want to be that not-skilled, counting the money. It isn't bad to admit that, even if there is a slight resentment at how it was achieved.
     
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  16. KingArthur

    KingArthur When’ll you wake up n’ see/true freedom is anarchy

    Jun 25, 2018
    Well, certainly. Everyone would love to be Todd “I wasn’t really in chess club” Howard, if only so we could sit on the cash and say “who’s laughing now?”. But personally, I have more respect for the creators of games like Atom, who put passion into their work. Give me a good game with comparatively little mainstream acclaim any day.
     
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  17. LeakyLine

    LeakyLine Main Force Patrol

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    Mar 22, 2019
    Some of the things I've seen in this thread make me want to rip my own eyes out.
     
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  18. Sicknessoverload

    Sicknessoverload Still Mildly Glowing

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  19. megamike15

    megamike15 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Mar 30, 2016
    the whole lonesomeroad section of this video

     
  20. Sicknessoverload

    Sicknessoverload Still Mildly Glowing

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    I think his bit on Lonesome Road section was a bit much however there was some truth in his points.