Why do people think New Vegas was actually good?

It sounds like an experimental game that plays around stereotypes and goes meta. Could be interesting once but as you said, I think it would get stale after the first run. It kinda reminds me of Doki Doki Literature Club, once the meta-twist has been revealed, you can't really go back except to unlock additional scenes.

Subversion for subversion's sake rarely pays off.
Yeah. I've been toying around with ideas for random elements in gameplay (sorta inspired by how the Blade Runner game did it) for Fallout 4. The whole "who's a synth" thing kinda lends itself to this. I was thinking about a background figure working against the player character throughout the storyline, then to be revealed to be a synth (?) of the player character. Except that it's randomized at the start of the game wether the player is the actual synth, or the other character is the synth. The only way to find out is to kill this other character and finding the synth component (or not). Depending on the faction you chose to side with, this maybe-synth choses a different one and works to further their goals. This would require the questlines to be more non-linear so that the player and the not-player can fullfill quests for their respective factions out of sequence.
This way the game would potentially play out differently each time, and play more with the whole "free will" and "how human are synths really" angle.
Anyway, the whole story of New Vegas revolves around this fragile stalemate of all the factions. It's a very important plot point throughout the game (and the DLCs) that the choices of one matter and can have huge impact. It'd overthrow the entire game if there'd be some sort of immutable random ending.
 
Huh. Thats weird

Sorry if you think I need to care more about the main story in a open world game that encourages not doing that for most of the time in a playthrough.

I like both of these games despite these flaws, but I don't look at things critically to make excuses for the one I prefer.

I know these quotes are from another thread entirely, but I feel these contradictions he made earlier on this site is a prime smoking gun that he has no argument and is just a Beth fanboy.

Says he doesn't care about the main story in Fallout 3 despite its shitty execution just for the "Muh Open World" point- comes on here and says the opposite conveniently for NV.

Says he doesn't "look at things critically" to make excuses for the one he prefers (which I assume from his shit taste in games he means Fallout 3)- comes on this thread exactly nitpicking the entire main quest of NV to look for points to prop his argument...

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Its clear BiggumsSoi came to NMA with a bias, its why he has such a personal hypocritical dichotomy. He's a Beth fanboy through and through. No wonder why he dislikes good writing in an RPG game. No foundation like most of the petulant children Bethesda caters to.

This is the thread mentioned btw: https://www.nma-fallout.com/threads...lout-3-was-actually-good.219079/#post-4376104

Also:
3's intro does not stop you from doing things however you see fit when you play the game. So its the same as 1, nv etc when it comes to player choice.

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Wait a minute...

Well, BoS is pretty good :^)
Just kidding. I would rank the games like this

1 > 3 > NV > 2 > Tactics > 4 > BoS > 76

Seriously through, 2 fucking sucks dude. It made me want to kill myself. Who though Monty Python references every 5 seconds was a good idea?

Like its the same reason people like lonesome road. Not the plot or story. That's what 1 is for before it got retardedly silly in 2, or mediocre due to blandness in NV.

Because you can't lmao.
2 was fucking shit man you can't even TRY to help the Enclave.

No fucking way. @BiggumsBoi and @chunglord420 have to be the same person. They have a literal carbon copy ideals. Even extrapolate from Chung's first page before he dipped and cross reference it with BiggumSoi's later arguments, you can see a clear deliberate pattern of sameness. The only real difference is that admittedly Chunglord was way more organized in formatting his posts, while BiggumSoi writes like a post-trauma skiing accident patient. He must've wrote that way on purpose to throw suspicion off his trail after pussying out from his own thread...

Seriously, who does this? Whats the point, what is gained from going into a site where you know you'll get assblasted on for having dumb arguments and logic?
 
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No fucking way. @BiggumsBoi and @chunglord420 have to be the same person. They have a literal carbon copy of ideals. Even extrapolate from Chung's first page before he dipped and cross reference it with BiggumSoi's later arguments, you can see a clear deliberate pattern of sameness. The only real difference is that admittedly Chunglord was way more organized in formatting his posts, while BiggumSoi writes like a post-trauma skiing accident patient. He must've wrote that way on purpose to throw suspicion off his trail after pussying out from his own thread...

Seriously, who does this? Whats the point, what is gained from going into a site where you know you'll get assblasted on for having dumb arguments and logic?

Now I get it. The other ip is from another location he posts at. I assumed it might have been a friend but if he is parroting the exact same thing that is two accounts. Well I guess BigBoi has been caught @Hassknecht . Ban Chunglord then we teabag BigBoi in the corner until he gets butthurt enough to leave?
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If he would like to disprove it he would need to get Chunglord to come on here with him at the same time, so we can see both accounts are separate. I don't think he can.
 
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lol he's practically done now, he ran his sis ass off because he ran out of arugments to put out as I've said before :lmao:

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Yep, I was right. Saw himself continually get run-in and hounded his ass back to /vg/ probably. Last seen on Wednesday, 2 days have past lmao.
 
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Now I get it. The other ip is from another location he posts at. I assumed it might have been a friend but if he is parroting the exact same thing that is two accounts. Well I guess BigBoi has been caught @Hassknecht . Ban Chunglord then we teabag BigBoi in the corner until he gets butthurt enough to leave?
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If he would like to disprove it he would need to get Chunglord to come on here with him at the same time, so we can see both accounts are separate. I don't think he can.
Lol, who is even the other account you this is me?
lol he's practically done now, he ran his sis ass off because he ran out of arugments to put out as I've said before :lmao:

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Yep, I was right. Saw himself continually get run-in and hounded his ass back to /vg/ probably. Last seen on Wednesday, 2 days have past lmao.
why would I keep talking about this when all yall will do is cry about how I'n nitpicking. I aint got more to to say, especially when yall will freak out like little kids over it
 
Uh oh! BigBoi is back and still as butthurt as ever.

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Why are you looking at my profile BigBoi?
 
yeah, I'll peace out because I've got an admin trying to goat me into a ban

I think I"m done here tho. If this dudes any sign of how the admins are here I'm gonna fuck off before he tries to dox me or some shit.

I like how he said he would leave this site multiple times in previous posts but keeps coming back anyway. He can't get over the severe assblasts he got, probably needs cream. I can only imagine him obsessively coming back and forth to this site since he already went the mile to make an alt.

Also just as I predicted he has nothing left else to say after being shredded because of his asinine arguments and not thinking up adequate points to hold his own. Typical n00b sh!t lol.

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There has been a very weird wave of Fallout 3 nostalgia babbies on /v/ recently going on tirades against New Vegas, as with our original thread creating friend here a lot of them were literally just kids when Fallout 3 came out (I'm throwing a stone through a glass house here, as I'm only 21 myself.) and defend it entirely out of nostalgia but feel the need to go on this campaign. It is weird but not unexpected to see it bleed over to NMA.

Gives us a bit of activity though
 
There is a literal thread like you said on /v/ right now along the lines you've said. I wouldn't be surprised if its BiggumsSoi/Chugfag responsible for all those posts ad infinium. I've even said this before- liking Fallout 3 is fine, but being goaded by nostalgia and saying its better in anyway against NV is retarded. The only common point they always shill is "atmosphere", but in comparison 3 doesn't really stand pound-for-pound against NV.

For Fucksake it was Obsidian that had to implement iron-sights into the post-isometric first person era of Fallout, Beth didn't even bother to try with that game lol.
 
Because New Vegas is usually the game used as justification that people don't hate 3D Fallouts, but hate bad Fallout games regardless of who made it or which perspective was used (isometric or first person). They also know they will get ridiculed extremely hard if they clown on Fallout 1 and 2 (specially the former), so New Vegas becomes an even bigger target.

Of course their arguments are weak as water such as the "world is dead", or "boring" (which is really not an argument but a preference), or some bullshit on how there's no point in joining a specific faction or NCR is the only logical faction to join, or some other bullshit. These people are so butthurt that New Vegas gets more praise than the Bethesda Fallouts that they don't even know where New Vegas's actual issues are and instead come up with literal non-issues.
 
The NPC dialogue tree they run down, at least on /v/, is usually the following:

>The Benny quest railroading you along the I-95 route to Vegas is horrible and means the entire game is a linear, railroaded experience (lol)
>Caesar's Legion is dumb!
>You shouldn't be able to talk down Legate Lanius
>The Mojave is boring to explore
>Disingenuous/Deliberate misunderstanding of the story, basically inane story questions that are intended to waste your time explaining
>Seething over some ancient anti-fallout 3 copypasta (a particularly infamous 4chan greentext with the simpsons reaction image comes to mind)

It's literally the same shit. It is very easy to turn the tables on them basically immediately by attacking Fallout 3 in response, but they really don't want you to do that as it crumbles apart. On /v/ they have been btfo so many times the other day they literally resorted to making a thread saying NV is shit because it has shit graphics. As if literally anyone would ever say they like NV because of how it looks, lol.

It does feel weirdly orchestrated though, it has been a deliberate surge recently. There's probably some gay ass discord out there.
 
The funniest part is that the OP of this thread complained that everyone in /v/ was saying he was a troll for making a thread shitting on New Vegas.

I keep posting about this on /vg/ but everybody replies with "that's bait"
 
/vg/ is video game generals, where they have dedicated 24/7 threads to particular games. These tend to breed out the worst kind of posters. The Fallout one was actually good until the Fallout 4 announcement trailer back in June 2015, then it started flooding in with new people and eventually the place became populated by Bethesda Fallout fans who primarily made waifus that fucked dogs or super mutants or whatever and now they're a Fallout 76 general.

NV after 2015 was not very popular in /vg/. Not as popular as it once was, anyway.
 
That makes the OP's complaint about /vg/ saying he's a troll when he's shitting on New Vegas extra funny.
 
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