Sicknessoverload
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The U.N. is dissolved, remember?
Why do people think New Vegas was actually good?
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Atomic Postman
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Before House, it was the tribals. The Great War destroyed any idea of sovereignty or legalistic claim, and House wasn't around for centuries.
Jurisdiction is created through force. Especially in the Wastelands.
Sicknessoverload
Still Mildly Glowing
Well, his Securitrons are his force.
Norzan
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
You didn't get the joke. Saying the NCR has no jurisdiction in New Vegas is like saying the UN or some other similar power is gonna stop the Legion from conquering tribes. There's nothing to enforce it.
You say the NCR has no jurisdiction in New Vegas, but that's not a thing in the Fallout universe anymore until some actual governement exist to enforces it. So the NCR has every right to claim New Vegas for themselves if they believe to be fit to rule it.
Sicknessoverload
Still Mildly Glowing
You didn't get my joke. We both failed.
Atomic Postman
Vault Archives Overseer
Sure but unupgraded they're not going to match NCR or Legion, hence his necessity to match force and not just rest on his laurels with his "rightful claim" to the city. Its literally only his city proportional to his ability to protect it
Sicknessoverload
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Well, it's like he says, they can defeat him but they'd rather not waste lives over it.
RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
They actually do. The NCR, with the help of the Followers, got the Hoover Dam up and running again. They were also the ones who pushed the Legion out of the Mojave at the First Battle of the Hoover Dam in 2277. They also as @Crni Vuk said have settlers and businesses in the Mojave like the Gun Runners and Crimson Caravan. While House dislikes the NCR's democratic government for the same reason as Caesar, viewing it as doomed to repeat the failures of the Old World, he nonetheless see's them as valuable trade partners and a good distraction for the Legion.
To be fair, forums tend usually to show the extrems of us. A lot of nuance is lost that usually happens in discussions where you see people eye to eye.
But you are still crazy.
Look, Alec isn't here anymore to be the resident crazy person. I feel it is my job to fill in his shoes!
Sicknessoverload
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They have jurisdiction in the Mojave not the Strip itself. Unless you count the NCR Embassy.
RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
They actually do have jurisdiction in The Strip. In House's peace treaty with the NCR he allowed them to establish a presence on The Strip, such as a embassy and military presence at McCarran, in exchange for protecting The Strip and the Mojave from the Legion. However, part of House's peace treaty meant that the NCR military police could not use guns or weapons other then police batons or cattle prods expect for a select view when on The Strip.
Sicknessoverload
Still Mildly Glowing
They actually do. The NCR, with the help of the Followers, got the Hoover Dam up and running again. They were also the ones who pushed the Legion out of the Mojave at the First Battle of the Hoover Dam in 2277. They also as @Crni Vuk said have settlers and businesses in the Mojave like the Gun Runners and Crimson Caravan. While House dislikes the NCR's democratic government for the same reason as Caesar, viewing it as doomed to repeat the failures of the Old World, he nonetheless see's them as valuable trade partners and a good distraction for the Legion.
Look, Alec isn't here anymore to be the resident crazy person. I feel it is my job to fill in his shoes!
I suppose you're right. Don't forget that he made it illegal to forbid the soldiers from gambling. So who do you side with for the Mojave?
Atomic Postman
Vault Archives Overseer
Morally: Independent self determination/anarchy for the Mojave tribes
Pragmatically: NCR
RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
It is tough for me but I usually go with NCR but it is a tough pill to swallow.
The Legion is obvious as to why I would never side with. I despise authoritarianism and slavery in real life not to mention that I trust someone like Marcus the super mutant when he says that when Caesar is gone the Legion will crumble as Caesar men follow the man not his ideals.
House is too pragmatic and cold for my liking. When it comes to those who pose a threat to him like the Brotherhood of Steel or The Kings he would rather eliminate them instead of working out some kind of diplomacy.
With Yes Man it came down to the fact that the locals have done nothing to improve their lot in life. It was the NCR and the Followers who got the Dam up and running again and it was the NCR who protected the land from the Legion. Without the guidance and coddling from the Followers the locals would have no idea what to do. Not to mention that the nature of anarchy leaves a power vacuum in the hierarchy of things and nature abhors a vacuum. Sure, you may rule now but what about the next guy that comes after you? Yes Man program leaves him being nothing but supportive to whoever holds his leash. Pragmatically, I side with the NCR although I can why some have a problem with the NCR.
Sicknessoverload
Still Mildly Glowing
I'm for indepence
I support Independence all the way, Legion is pure evil, and the NCR isn't what's best for the Mojave. While House's intentions are pure, all it takes is one disgruntled Legionare to sneak in and kill him, making his grand dreams never realized. So, Independence is the only way.
Atomic Postman
Vault Archives Overseer
I also have my own personal beliefs about Independent being the ending that works best with the narrative/story structure of New Vegas but that's totally removed from the morality of it
Sicknessoverload
Still Mildly Glowing
Could you elaborate?
Three Dog mentions how the U.N. has declared global peace forever (as a joke). I always wondered how Three Dog or his listeners would know what the U.N. is 225 years after it was disbanded and with a nuclear apocalypse in between.
Welcome around here, by the way.
Sicknessoverload
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Do you get many new people?Three Dog mentions how the U.N. has declared global peace forever (as a joke). I always wondered how Three Dog or his listeners would know what the U.N. is 225 years after it was disbanded and with a nuclear apocalypse in between.
Welcome around here, by the way.
Morgan_
Duckerz
Not many that post like yourself. Active new posters are pretty sporadic from what I've seen.
Sicknessoverload
Still Mildly Glowing
I hope more people get to talking.