Windows 10

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Cistern Logic, Jul 29, 2015.

  1. Mohamed2001

    Mohamed2001 HATE NEWSPAPERS

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    Jan 28, 2013
    I am sticking to Windows 7 myself. I know my luck too well and I am sure something will fuck up during the installation.

    But I do keep getting thoughts about pressing that button just to get DX 12. However, that button is a point of no return. I either upgrade, or not. There's no downgrade.
     
  2. SnapSlav

    SnapSlav NMA's local DotA fanatic

    Jul 1, 2012
    Won't their be OTHER means of acquiring 12, though? I mean, it's not JUST Windows that you'll obtain it from, right? Granted, I'm sure they'd love to make it artificially difficult. But I know when I had to format my systems a couple times and I lost all my programs and had to start all over, I got a "quick pass" to DX11 just by installing Dota 2. I figure there's equally simple ways we'll be able to get 12 in the future, right?
     
  3. mef

    mef Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Dec 29, 2014
    If I want to buy a laptop with Windows 7, should I do it now or can I wait one more year? Will they still be available?
     
  4. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    If you want it now, buy it now. As far as hardware goes you could always wait one more year or such to get eventually a better deal. But well.
     
  5. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    Well, to be honest, the intel processors with the skylake architecture are coming out this september. But of course it depends on what he is searching for. If he is buying a laptop with a nvidia card, then broadwell will be fine, but if he wants the integrated intel gpu, i heard that skylake should be a hefty upgrade, but don't qoute me on that.
     
  6. mef

    mef Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Dec 29, 2014
    I'm not really into this intel/nvidia/something, I just want a DOSBox and OS that's still supported. When it comes to hardware, good audio is more important for me
     
  7. Oppen

    Oppen FIXT n°1 fan

    Dec 26, 2011
    I've read up to half of page two, and then the mini-Beth-fanboy inside of me got bored. I thought of mentioning, as a passionate Linux user I am, that privacy and Linux is half a truth. Why? Because most people mean Ubuntu when they say Linux, and Ubuntu, through the scope lens in Unity, harvests user data just as much as anyone else.

    Now, on topic, considering I don't really have much concerns in the privacy camp (I respect those who do, though, I consider it wrong to spy on your users nonetheless, unless they explicitly allow certain data to go; I think it should be opt-in, instead of opt-out or mandatory) and since my laptop came with Windows 8 and I only use Windows to run OriginLab for classes that make that program mandatory and to run games, I will be updating as soon as the goddamned thing allows me too.
     
  8. Mohamed2001

    Mohamed2001 HATE NEWSPAPERS

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    Jan 28, 2013
    I am not sure, from the sound of things, it seems to be exclusive only to Win 10. But considering it's just a modified [IIRC, not sure] DX 11.2, it should be able to be released normally.
     
  9. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    I have not used ubuntu since i started with linux, but i read that you can turn off the unity search bar spying thing, so can you? Also, isn't mint also kind of popular (unless you mean all ubuntu based distros).
     
  10. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Waiting a few weeks or 2-3 months to get something new is alright. I just thought 1 year is to much. Because the moment you decide to buy it, new technology will be also on the horizon and you can wait another year ... and another one ... you get the point.
     
  11. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    Good audio is only possible with an usb audio card in this case, so other than that i don't see why you should wait.
    I didin't think he literally meant one year :D
     
  12. Stone Cold Robert House

    Stone Cold Robert House Mojave Rattlesnake

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    Jul 6, 2015
    Despite being one of the biggest supporters for privacy and net neutrality you'll find, I cannot believe so many people here are not upgrading because they think Windows 10 is breaking their privacy. Sure, if you don't want to upgrade for whatever other reason, fine, but it's just senseless to pretend you'll be "less safe" in Windows 10 than in 7, 8 or any other system. Part of it is understandable due to this strange statement in Microsoft's Privacy Statement:

    Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to:
    1.comply with applicable law or respond to valid legal process, including from law enforcement or other government agencies;
    ... etc


    Which really bugs me because people are fixating on the "files in private folders" bit and making the implication that they're snooping through the files on your hard disk. Which leads to the very stupid behavior of "Oh, Skynet!" or "Oh, intrusive corporations!" when in reality, it only applies to content which Microsoft actually collects, which is:

    We collect content of your files and communications when necessary to provide you with the services you use. This includes: the content of your documents, photos, music or video you upload to a Microsoft service such as OneDrive. It also includes the content of your communications sent or received using Microsoft services.

    In other words. They have access to it because it's on their servers. They don't look at it but they can if they want just because it's going through their stuff. Surprise, surprise, the exact same thing applies to Apple, Google, other operating systems, and literally any company who hosts your stuff. It's just sad how there are people here literally saying you're giving away your rights and making them free to spy on you. For real, Windows 10 is the best version of Windows so far and it's not even close, for a multitude of reasons. If people don't want to upgrade because they don't like it or because they can't be bothered with it, that's not an issue. But to see people pulling stuff out of their ass just to talk about how they're against corporate espionage or whatever the hell you want to call the things you're inventing, when such things have absolutely no difference from the services you've been using your entire life, that's just being delusional.

    There are ACTUAL privacy problems in the world, elsewhere. How about being more informed about the subject and actually moving against those issues instead of pretending there's an issue here just because you buy into conspiracy bullshit?


    Now, this is a actually pretty serious subject, so let's talk about it more in depth. There needs to be a big effort toward educating people about what data collection actually means. Nobody is directly snooping through your files and chortling at your porn stash. Nobody gives a shit if you occasionally torrent a movie or a game. There's simply too much data to sift through for those individual bits of info to matter. It's entirely managed by computers, and the data is only relevant on a massive, millions-of-users scale. Advertising data is gathered from search habits, wishlists, interests, etc. on sites like Amazon, Netflix, and Facebook. Unless you're completely disconnected from the services of the modern world, you cannot avoid that. Computer usage data is gathered by an algorithm looking at what you use your computer to do on a day-to-day basis, like how you access what types of files, what programs you run most, or how fast the system responds to certain actions. All of this is attached to a unique identifier - such as your device's IP address - which can be directly linked to other identifiers where you have set up an account with X, Y, or Z service.

    None of this data is directly observed by a person. That would be absurd. It's compiled alongside millions of other profiles like yours and distilled down to generic trend info. Marketers like this because it allows them to tailor advertisements that they can flag as being for a specific demographic, which a computer will then (on its own) send to your IP address. Software developers like this because it allows them to get a feel for how people in different demographics use their machines, what seems to be intuitive and what doesn't, what features they should put in, and so on. It helps developers make a better product.

    I understand why people are kind of unnerved by this, but in the end, it's nothing new (at all - it's been happening since the days of AOL) and it can actually be beneficial. Microsoft, Google, Apple and all others don't sell away your secrets. Again, that's just buying into the conspiracy crap. They sell advertising data (which is just big, vague lists), and keep usage info for internal purposes. They raised a big stink after the NSA stuff came out because they were being forced to hand over user data, which is something people have conveniently forgotten. And THAT is an actual issue people need to worry about, not the things people are just making up here. Seeing people saying "I will stay using Windows 7/8 because of this" or "I'll switch to Mac/Linux specifically because of this" is painful when those same people will continue to use cloud hosting services, search engines, mobile phones and all the things which have always been using their data in harmless ways, and will continue to do the exact same thing.

    All you have to do is calm down, analyze the situation, and learn what you need to learn about the subject you're talking about.
     
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  13. mef

    mef Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Dec 29, 2014
    No, no, you got me wrong. I want to wait because in one year I'm moving for college and I'm gonna need some laptop then. But I'm not sure if I want to end up with these new Windows versions, since Windows 7 seems to me the best option for me. (plus I'm kinda short on money right now)
     
  14. Oppen

    Oppen FIXT n°1 fan

    Dec 26, 2011
    Yes, you can, but it's opt-out.
    WRT derivatives, depends on the particular case. If it uses Unity, chances are it spies on you by default, if it doesn't, chances are it doesn't spy on you.
    WRT Mint, AFAIK most polls still say Ubuntu is the most popular one. I actually came accross only ONE non-techie person who knows Mint, while (in my University) pretty much everyone knows what Ubuntu is, even if not everyone uses it.
     
  15. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    If you feel that it is the best option for you, than by all means. Go get it. Particularly if you say that it is for your college and studying. What works on Windows 10 will most probably work on windows 7 as well. Maybe even better. No clue. I mean Windows is really not the kind of OS that gets outdated over night. They know their consumers. And if everything fails you most probably will have very cheap ways to upgrade to Win10 anyway.
     
  16. Cistern Logic

    Cistern Logic Assistant to Dr. Mobius

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    Jul 21, 2015
    Indeed.

    I forgot how many cameras there are (3 I think) per acre in the Urban U.S. And those are fixed locations not including satellites, drones and special law enforcement cameras.
    I about shit when I Googled my address and saw a clear, recent satellite photo of my front yard. Hell, I could count the clothespins my wife left out on the line! :eek:


    We're watched everywhere. In America at least, we've become "One Nation, Under Surveillance.."

    This may or may not be true so much depending on where else in the world you live, I reckon.


    "Good Night, and Good Luck
    ." ;)
     
  17. Oppen

    Oppen FIXT n°1 fan

    Dec 26, 2011
    @Stone Cold Robert House, I'd love to link to your answer everytime the subjects comes up. Really, you are extraordinarily good at writing well-structured thoughts and making them clear.
     
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  18. Cistern Logic

    Cistern Logic Assistant to Dr. Mobius

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    Jul 21, 2015
  19. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    As you didin't qoute any one post, so i'm not sure what's your biggest beef. In any case, if it's paranoia that everyone is privately spied on, then i agree, the prospect of some person looking at your shit is miniscule. What i do think, is that if people comply more and more to the whims of these massive corporations, they will take more of your data, continually include more restrictive drm and better algorithms to find out exactly what you are doing.

    So at the same time as software becomes more restrictive and controled, you're also pumping increasing ammounts of data to some servers somwhere. How can you be sure that it will be flushed out and not stored indfinetaly? What if in the future you will want to join a protest, or an antimovement of some sort and your goverement is not that benevolent anymore... Like Russia, that has "Laplace's Demon" algorithms to monitor those filfthy dissidends on facebook and twitter. The more data is getting collected and the more restrictive and less transparent the system becomes, the likelyhood of your data being used against you increases.

    I would love to believe that companies and goverments are ethical at heart and that the users information will be used to the users advantage, but looking back at history, in the long run that doesn't seem likely. I personaly feel that users should strive to get more transparecny, freedom and control in their software, as opposed to just complying every time a new update comes out.
     
  20. SnapSlav

    SnapSlav NMA's local DotA fanatic

    Jul 1, 2012
    I have a serious problem with your post. That problems is that I cannot Rad it multiple- nay -an INDEFINITE number of times. I can only rad it once. This is an issue we must all discuss.

    On a more serious note, AT ONE POINT I felt like there was a notion you were missing that I wanted to address... and then as I kept reading (Because that's the sensible thing to do- that is, NOT jumping to conclusions and firing off a response to things before being fully informed, and endeavoring to understand all perspectives as fully as possible. Y'know, rational stuff!) I caught that bolded phrase which addressed exactly what I was concerned about, so you touched on that fact and are not unaware of it. No longer had I any cause to have any complaint. =)

    I WOULD like to point out, however, that I didn't forget. I'm still saddened by how many people DID, though. That's... really depressing.

    My reasons for waiting on upgrading from W7 to W10 are purely because I don't want to make the same mistake that many people did with W8, or the mistake I made with my LAST system by "upgrading" to Vista HP instead of waiting a few months and getting W7. It was like the first PC I built with my own money when I was a kid, and I built it with a Pentium II processor ONE MONTH before Intel released the Pentium III. I was very bitter about that. So I'll want to "experience" W10 on my laptop, which DOUBTLESS will be nothing short of an improvement over the cumbersome W8 I have to deal with, and see if there is ANYTHING about it that greatly displeases me, and if there is anything I find innately "inferior" to W7. I'm just not going to make any snap decisions and determine, before I even feel out the operating system MYSELF, that it's the best so far. ME was shit. Vista had big issues. W8 is annoying. The great OS's seem to skip a generation, so that would seem to indicate W10 will be the great one. But I'm still going to WAIT AND SEE before I upgrade my personal, desktop, "awesome" computer to Windows 10.

    I think mine is a calm and informed approach. =)

    It's not that they'll be making some form of active plot to "get an inch, take a mile", it's more that they'll simply notice a trend, and they'll go along with that trend. The more people "lay back and accept" giving their data freely, the more they'll think "this is just what people want". It's not nefarious, it's just everyone going about their business because no one's raising any fuss whatsoever. It's the same logic behind, say, gun control, prohibition, really ANY idea of how much rights and freedom we have. The fuss is NOT about that some nefarious group will invariably conspire to take our rights away. The fuss IS simply that we must remain vigilant about what we do and do not fulfill as far as responsibilities, and that we always maintain as much control of our own agency as possible. At least, that's what the RATIONAL fuss is about, anyway...
     
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