No no I was referring to the Italian you were referring to.
World Cup 2010 South Africa
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Alphadrop said:Roflcore said:
Actually the rules state that it doesen't matter if it was or wasn't on purpose, as long as it was obstructing a goal ball it counts as a red card offence.
Kinda extreme.
Nope, have to disagree, in a different forum somebody quoted the rules, saying that it matters. You got a source/link?
meh this game was probably one of the worst I ve seen so far ... swiz and chile ... sorry but you can say what you want but the refree was either a complete moron or he was biased toward chile.
One the other side while boring as well but Portugal did very well against N-Korea with their 7 goals ...
One the other side while boring as well but Portugal did very well against N-Korea with their 7 goals ...
Biased towards Chile? Are you on crack? Chile got 6 yellows ffs, one coming in at the 2 min mark!
The dude that got sent off SWUNG his elbow to the face of the Chilean.
What game are you watching seriously? Chile needs to have better finishing, if anything. Top tier teams won't be giving them 5-6 scoring opportunities a match.
The dude that got sent off SWUNG his elbow to the face of the Chilean.
What game are you watching seriously? Chile needs to have better finishing, if anything. Top tier teams won't be giving them 5-6 scoring opportunities a match.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/rules_and_equipment/4524354.stmRoflcore said:
Look, you can't just see whether a hand ball is deliberate or not except in extreme cases. So referees look at other indicators - most notably whether the hand is there to protect his body (not the case here), or whether it's along his side (again not the case here). Tough luck that the arm happened to be in the way if he didn't mean it to be, but he obstructed play with his arm while there was no legal reason for his arm to be there.
Otherwise, you'd just see every defender permanently extending their arms because hey, it's not a deliberate hands ball if someone shoots the ball against the arm, right?
Have you been accidentally watching Wimbledon instead of the World Cup?Crni Vuk said:
Switzerland vs Chile was a great match because it was a great tactical match. Switzerland were absolutely supreme in defense even with 10 men, while Chile was well-organised but couldn't find a hole. If you like quality tactical football, that was a great match.
Dunno where even to start ... you cant seriously believe that swiz played "well" compared to many other teams.
Good defense can be good football. If you can't see that, then your loss.
Of course I can, because they did. Beating Spain 1-0 and keeping a good Chilean side to 1-0 with 10 men isn't a fluke, it's a consequence of very good defense.Crni Vuk said:
Quick, offensive football may be the most exciting football to watch, but it's hardly the only way to play good, winning football. Hell, as a Serb living in Germany I'd expect you to understand that defensive football can be the cornerstone to winning games. Inter showed as much in winning the Champions League this year.
A consequence of this is that usually the high-scoring games aren't games with good play on both sides, as usually that's caused by defensive mistakes.
So, should Spain maybe try to finish their attacks a few passes earlier?
I'd say so, they keep looking for the perfect position to shoot from, but they really should start firing at goal more often because they're just wasting opportunities like that. Especially with keepers struggling with the ball this World Cup, long shots can really be worth the effort.Dead Guy said:
Also France and especially Domenech are a total joke. Domenech's reading a statement by the players one day, then taking the side of the organisation the next. He should never have been the coach in the first place, and he should definitely have been out after the terrible 2006 performance and his obviously losing the confidence of his players.
If you cant see the problem behind it thatn you are loss. Imagine every soccer team now would decide playing with that tactic only defensively and tell me its a "good" thing.Brother None said:
To have a good defence and to only play with defencive tactics are 2 seperate things. And how much it can help you against strong teams was shown with Australia and Germany.
But thats not even the point. Point is that the game Swiz - Spain has shown how stupid it can be (to get somewhat as well to Sandy's post). You have a considerable weaker team only concentrating on the defence just waiting for the mere luck to do a goal. And they suddenly have the potential to win as a 1-0 is already more then enough since you just have to close al gaps and hope the players cant get trough. Thats not great soccer in my eyes. A good match is where both teams try to engange and somewhat search the offense not just defence that doesnt mean you dont need a good one ! But it is about defensive tactics as main target of your game! Only weak soccer teams do that most of the time and that for a reason. It usualy tends to lead to games without creativity or movement feeling extremly static. If I would want to see that I would not have to watch nations play against each other. Thats already the kind of soccer you get in the lowest leagues. If even Oliver Kahn complained about that part in many soccer teams during this cup (including the swiz team as well) then it measn something as I would guess that as one of the best keepers in the world he knows his shit better then anyone of us. Not that I just whant to mirror his oppinion. But the games we have seen simply have shown it. Spain was the better team they would have usualy won. but they havnt. So be it. Thats soccer. No problem. But calling it a "good" match simply cause Swiz had luck and was wining with a cheap unimaginatve tactic. Not so much.
Also the Swiz defensive isnt "that" good. They dont have the players for that. As simple as that. Spain achieved a lot of chances. Most of the game played in the swiz part of the field. It was just that lucky situation which caused the 1 goal. Chile might not be the weakest team but hands down its not Brazil or Germany. We will see how good the defence of Swiz will really be. Also Ottmar Hitzfeld agreed that the swiz team was technicaly not comparable to Chile.
Half of our people are playing in international teams (including many good German ones). We have the people for offensive gameplay if needed even against stronger teams. Swiz has not.Sander said:
Fast soccer is needed. Defensive gameplay is the part that should be used when you have not the players for long games or against stronger teams. Serbia was attacking pretty well the first 30-40 min. And the last 20 min proved to be a problem as we simply dont have the stamina of the German team. Or the same mindset. The German soccer teams have a lot of great potential and they use that. Serbia simply has not the conditions for that. Most of our clubs cant compete with the German clubs and that keeps the quality of the game on a different level. But we fight as good as we can as said since many of our players are playing for good clubs they have great quality and it shows. And I think we would have pretty high chances to beat swiz.
I can appreciate both good offensive and good defensive play. You can only appreciate good offensive play. How is it then 'my problem' if I like a larger part of the game than you do?Crni Vuk said:
Aside from that, I can certainly enjoy a hard-fought defensive battle a lot more than 7-0 blowouts. You can't tell me that Portugal-North Korea was a more exciting or interesting match than Switzerland - Spain.
Why isn't it great soccer? The goal of the game is to win, right? So why would you discount a winning strategy as 'bad football' when it clearly accomplishes the game's goal.Crni Vuk said:
I'm not calling it a good match because Switzerland won or because they had 'luck'. I'm calling it a good match because Switzerland's defensive tactics were superb. It wasn't luck at all that they managed to keep arguably the best attacking side in this World Cup to 0 goals, and another very offensive team to 1 goal while they played with only 10 men.Crni Vuk said:
And your insistence that preventing goals is just luck seems fundamentally ignorant of the game. You can prevent goals by playing good defense. When you then prevent goals it isn't luck, it's a consequence of your own play.
You're awfully quick to call it "luck" when the fact that the game was played on Switzerland's half was a consequence of tactics, and not an evidence of Spain's dominance. No one is going to deny that the Spanish and the Chileans have a lot more individual talent than the Swiss, but isn't that the beauty of the game? The fact that the Swiss can use superior team play to have a good chance to win games, while a team filled with individuals who can't play together inevitably fails?Crni Vuk said:
The game isn't played to have the most possession or the most attacks or the most shots on goal. It's played to win games, and everything else is merely a way to win games.
I can hardly fault you for not liking that style of play, but you keep calling it "bad football" when it really isn't. It's fine to prefer offensive football to defensive football, it's another thing to discount defensive football as a valid tactic.
Sander said:
This.
Seriously - You can't calla game bad simply by saying "meh" they just defended and exploited their 2 opportunities better than the other team's 20.
If you can't find the excitement in a Spanish side trying brutally hard to break down that defense - then it truly is your loss.
yeah and Hoffenheim has just a good management ~ I dont expect really anyone to know about that.
I am not complaining that you like that kind of soccer. I complain when I see teams trying to accomplish a world cup that way. Cause as already said only weak teams use that kind of tactic as their only base. And we have seen now what success they have with that. Korea loost, Australia loost, etc. Defensive tactics are all nice and all and good defense is something I enjoy as well. What I do not enjoy are teams without creative games ONLY using defensive tactics and play. If you love that kind of games. OK. But I dont call it a great match. And Nkorea 0 - 7 was shit. Hands down. They had 1 good player which almost alone tried to made goals.
I am sorry guys but I will thrust in the oppinion from Khan or Klopp regarding the matches they comented so far more then anything I can read over here. And while the agree in good devensive players they do not agree in defensive tactics as only part of a teams play. So I will be really happy to see finally those N-Koreans, Australians and Swiz etc. teams dissapear slowly from the cup so we can enjoy some tacticaly interesting matches finally.
I am not complaining that you like that kind of soccer. I complain when I see teams trying to accomplish a world cup that way. Cause as already said only weak teams use that kind of tactic as their only base. And we have seen now what success they have with that. Korea loost, Australia loost, etc. Defensive tactics are all nice and all and good defense is something I enjoy as well. What I do not enjoy are teams without creative games ONLY using defensive tactics and play. If you love that kind of games. OK. But I dont call it a great match. And Nkorea 0 - 7 was shit. Hands down. They had 1 good player which almost alone tried to made goals.
I am sorry guys but I will thrust in the oppinion from Khan or Klopp regarding the matches they comented so far more then anything I can read over here. And while the agree in good devensive players they do not agree in defensive tactics as only part of a teams play. So I will be really happy to see finally those N-Koreans, Australians and Swiz etc. teams dissapear slowly from the cup so we can enjoy some tacticaly interesting matches finally.
You must have missed the entire Champions League this season.Crni Vuk said:
Italy won a World Cup 4 years ago.Crni Vuk said:
Of course it's not always going to work, but neither is offensive football.
Defensive football is tactically interesting.Crni Vuk said:
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Water Chip? Been There, Done That
Sander said:
Just like Inter-Barca in the Champions league.
They say Mourinho/Inter gameplay was awful but in the end they won the cup.
(now not directed to Sander)
Thing is, you can't expect a team with weaker arguments to play offensive like both teams were equal, they have to play different kind of football. Inter played tactical against the best team in the world and even by losing 1-0 in Camp Nou, it was a win. I wouldn't call it awful, i would call it smart!
On the other hand, games are only exciting to watch to the limit of 2-3 goals (either winning by 3-0, 3-1, 3-2, 2-2, and so on); over that is just overkill. It's plain boring watching a team get smacked by 5-0, it removes the thrill out of the game. That's why after the 2-0 of PT to Korea, i stopped watching the game.
What you would rather to watch: Portugal 3-2 England in Euro2000 (or even Portugal 2-2 England in Euro2004) or Portugal 7-0 North Korea in WC2010?
It didn't progress out of the group at the European Cup in 2008 either. France in 2006 made the finals with a very old group, many of whom have retired or gotten a lot worse since 2006. It's not a surprise that they would do worse in the years following that, and the terrible coaching by Domenech only serves to make matters worse.Dario ff said:4 years ago, France was in the World Cup final. 4 Years later, it's losing against South Africa 1 - 0 ATM and it's possibly not going to classify out of the group.