Xbox One vs PS4 What Console Is Better?

@Walpknut, Because it IS more convenient. Convenience sells, and that's why people buy consoles or Macs instead of PCs, because it takes more to setup a proper (e.g. not shit, future-proofed) PC.
@AskWazzup, Since about the 90s, the perk of owning consoles has always been that they're far superior to arcades (the dynamic was the complete opposite well into the 80s) and yet cheaper and quicker to setup than a desktop system.
@TheWesDude, NEEDING to obtain a piece of free software is by definition an inconvenience. Just because DOSbox is free doesn't mean it's convenient. When Windows 10 comes with automatic, built-in DOS emulators, THEN it's convenient.

To be specific, the main draw of consoles was NEVER their nifty perks. The fact that they're trying to catch up with the ever-increasingly social multimedia markets isn't why people want or own consoles. The fact that motion controls are "cool" is not why people want or own consoles. People want or own consoles because, while not as powerful or as customizable or many other things as a good PC, they're cheaper and easier to setup. That IS convenience, by definition. For $400, you will get a shit PC, and it won't last you 3 years before you'll need to fork over another couple hundred to try to keep it going while technology is progressing forward. A $400 PC will become obsolete almost immediately because of new software and better, cheaper hardware that the system does not possess. You can ALWAYS upgrade you PC, and that's its major draw. But that's NOT to be confused with convenience. My efforts to obtain the best, most future-proofed components for my new PC have set me back $1000 already, and I'm only halfway there. It will be a GREAT system, and my PS4 will ABSOLUTELY NOT be capable of comparing to it in any way whatsoever. But that does NOT make the PC convenient. Superior, yes. But it will have taken a great deal of effort and resources on my part (INconvenience, by definition) to have it at my disposal.

Consoles are convenient, that's why people want them or own them. Period. Console DEVELOPERS have lately been operating on the mistaken notion that new and superfluous technologies are why people want them, but just because Nintendo has gambled on Wii controls and Sony has gambled on vision controls and Microsoft has gambled on....... uh, whatever, doesn't mean these are the major selling points of consoles. If anything, the developers are simply growing more distant from what it is ABOUT their products that make them appealing in the first place. That's NOT enough (not yet, anyway) to warrant never ever purchasing a console anytime soon. Though if the trend continues for another decades, that might certainly be the case. But, right now, consoles are still great pseudo-PCs that cost a fraction of the price to acquire and an indistinguishable fraction of the effort to setup, and to those who aren't performance hounds they perform comparably as well as their PC counterparts. Those who actually hunt for the best might see their shortcomings, but that's NOT the same thing as inconvenience.
 
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Well, if people say it's convenient for them, then i guess it's convenient. For me it's an absurd idea to have a pc (which you still have to update time from time) and then buy additional crap to bury the house in.

My ideal convenience from would be something along the lines of a tablet. Not the current ones of course, but i think in the near future that form factor should win out: portable, efficient, can be used for everything (talking for android, as i never held an apple device in my hands) and no fucking cables, monitors etc.
 
Oh, come on. Small form factor, OS that consists of Steam in Big Picture Mode, comes with a gamepad? Even if you can do whatever you want with it as with a normal PC on its own the Steam Box is pretty much a digital-only console. Really convenient for the tech illiterate and those that just want a straightforward way to play games, isn't it? :grin:

That's what i was saying - there is no need for consoles, when you can have the same thing with a pc.

Now, with the Steam Boxes, sure (assuming that they become as easily available as consoles). Before, not so much.

And even then, there's one thing that will keep the consoles as the preferred option for many, something that skipped my mind before. And that is...physical games. On consoles you can lend and resell games, on PC you can't since they are tied to your Steam account. And in some parts of the world (most notably the US) the PC retail market is almost nonexistant and going digital-only can be a real pain in the ass, given the size of the most recent games, if your connection is shitty and/or if you have data caps (Wolfenstein TNO, GTA5, The Evil Within and Batman:AK are all above 40GBs FFS). And even if you buy a physical copy you have games where the discs install only part of data and the rest has to be downloaded. Like Batman:AK, where the 5 DVDs install only ~20% of the data.
 
Oh, come on. Small form factor, OS that consists of Steam in Big Picture Mode, comes with a gamepad? Even if you can do whatever you want with it as with a normal PC on its own the Steam Box is pretty much a digital-only console. Really convenient for the tech illiterate and those that just want a straightforward way to play games, isn't it? :grin:

That's what i was saying - there is no need for consoles, when you can have the same thing with a pc.

Now, with the Steam Boxes, sure (assuming that they become as easily available as consoles). Before, not so much.

And even then, there's one thing that will keep the consoles as the preferred option for many, something that skipped my mind before. And that is...physical games. On consoles you can lend and resell games, on PC you can't since they are tied to your Steam account. And in some parts of the world (most notably the US) the PC retail market is almost nonexistant and going digital-only can be a real pain in the ass, given the size of the most recent games, if your connection is shitty and/or if you have data caps (Wolfenstein TNO, GTA5, The Evil Within and Batman:AK are all above 40GBs FFS). And even if you buy a physical copy you have games where the discs install only part of data and the rest has to be downloaded. Like Batman:AK, where the 5 DVDs install only ~20% of the data.


The upside with the Steam box is the large library of games and long term support for the platform. I do agree it won't take off like they think due to physical discs still being popular, but a lot of people speak as if they have almost went completely digital. I don't care for that personally. I do know of some people who game primarily on consoles who are interested in the Steam box because they know nothing about computers. I just don't think that audience is that large.
 
The only advantage to console gaming is the exclusives, and that's prettymuch an artificial advantage considering they created it to justify their existence.
 
I do know of some people who game primarily on consoles who [...] know nothing about computers.
Such people exist? Ugh... this knowledge saddens me.

I know people who play mainly on PC and know nothing about computers...

It takes some knowledge to properly play, mod, and troubleshoot many games. More than the people I'm thinking of.

Well, my flatmate doesn't troubleshoot. He usually asks me or my other flatmate if something doesn't work. He did manage to put his new PC together at last, but not without asking me for help a dozen times because he couldn't figure out that the power connectors on the mainboard are not optional and shouldn't be just ignored if the mainboard doesn't work when you connect them in the wrong way.
 
The only advantage to console gaming is the exclusives

We discussed in the last two pages why this isn't true.

and that's prettymuch an artificial advantage considering they created it to justify their existence.

Consoles didn't appear out of nowhere 5 years ago. The console market exist because in the 80s PCs sucked donkey balls for arcade games AND there was a big segregation between western and japanese developers so PC and console exclusives were pretty much a given (and the less said about the ports of that time the better). Also not all current consoles exclusives are first party titles so...okay? But I guess that according to you once multiplatform releases became the norm Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo and everyone else should have packed it up, killed an established 30-years-old market and converted to the PC. Pu-lease.
 
Other than the lower price point the only thing that even differentiates one console from the other is the Exclusives really. Nintendo has been struggling because their house console lacks anything other than exclusives while their portables do rather wel las they fit a niche PCs can't without a ridicuously expensive device, Portable gaming that isn't shitty phone games. Sony and Microsoft on the other hand now just have underpowered PCs out, the context right now is not the same as 30 years ago, the thing that is keeping them relevant on the market is artificially created advantages like esxclusive titles and such and huge marketing campaigns.
 
I just got a PS4, and Xbox wasn't even a consideration. I guess I'm old-school, like that. My friends usually had PS when I hung out with them, and I just got used to it.

Psychologically PS feeeels more like "a machine" to me, while Xbox feels like "a toy", but that's all subjective of course..

Oh, and the reason I bought a console in the first place is that I can afford to now. Meaning, I paid less for a console, than I woulda paid for a brand new "gaming rig" (which was an alternative plan)

So, I now have my old half-decent-gaming-rig, as well as a PS4 which will - by default - run games on high graphics.
 
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Other than the lower price point the only thing that even differentiates one console from the other is the Exclusives really. Nintendo has been struggling because their house console lacks anything other than exclusives while their portables do rather wel las they fit a niche PCs can't without a ridicuously expensive device, Portable gaming that isn't shitty phone games. Sony and Microsoft on the other hand now just have underpowered PCs out, the context right now is not the same as 30 years ago, the thing that is keeping them relevant on the market is artificially created advantages like esxclusive titles and such and huge marketing campaigns.

The main thing that is keeping them relevant is that there's a lot of people that want a small, cheap, simple gaming machine. But please, go on and keep telling me why my 55 years old father is completly wrong in buying a console rather than a PC that he has no idea how to use. Did I mention that he also hasn't internet which makes a PC pretty much useless as a gaming machine?
 
No one is telling you what to buy, I really couldn't really care less either way, that doesn't mean concoles aren't mostly established through artificial mediums. I even said that the PS4 is better investment considering those factors.
Also there is plenty of ways to game without internet on PC and well they aso has more uses other than gaming, and they aren't really that complicated.
 
Also there is plenty of ways to game without internet on PC and well they also has more uses other than gaming, and they aren't really that complicated.

Please tell me how I can game properly without good internet much less no internet. Yes you can technically still play games on a pc without a connection, but it isn't preferable and by no means easy. Think about updates for a second. You need internet access somewhere. I think people that have grown up with computers forget how some people were left behind by all the technology. It is easier for older people to simply plug and play. That works well for younger people who aren't too savvy on the technology either.
 
Steam allows for Offline mode, and GOG has no drm. Altho game updates and patches are no longer a PC thing, the AAA industry has become quite fond of them recently.
 
Steam allows for Offline mode, and GOG has no drm. Altho game updates and patches are no longer a PC thing, the AAA industry has become quite fond of them recently.

Yet consoles come with physical discs, while pc's are increasingly moving towards digital only. Consoles are more forgiving (barely) about not having online. You are right that consoles have recently taken to large patches and updates, but have you tried to find actual pc discs anymore? Practically non existent at least in most stores.

I was going to mention GOG as a positive point for the pc though.
 
Well Amazon still sells physical PC discs. But it's true, PC is motly digital now. Alto to me that's a good thing, but it's understandable how some people wouldn't be so keen on that.
 
Well Amazon still sells physical PC discs. But it's true, PC is motly digital now. Alto to me that's a good thing, but it's understandable how some people wouldn't be so keen on that.

I think it hurts the hobby in a way since the collectible aspect is lessened. I don't much care for the future of all digital media anyway. Not until the US gets caught up with the rest of the developed world with internet speed. I think there might still be a market for limited releases of game discs even when things go completely digital.

I still don't care for the Xbox One. They have an overabundance of dude bro games and hardly any JRPG's. Kinect sure soured their launch along with the comments about people with no internet having to stick to a Xbox 360. That was all it took for them to lose any goodwill I had towards them.
 
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