So that's a no for actually forming an argument then? Gotcha.
A video on the Brexit and why the UK should leave.
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Haha, "arguments". Nice 5,276-word gish gallop, 10/10.
Looks like this thread is right on track to being vatted for general bollockery.
Good job, knuckleheads.
Good job, knuckleheads.
SpecialHands
First time out of the vault
it was 16.5 million who voted to remain, not 1.5million
valcik
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
That petition was rigged anyway:
https://heatst.com/uk/exclusive-brexit-2nd-referendum-petition-a-4-chan-prank-bbc-report-it-as-real/
@Crni: Stop putting Hitlor in every thread plox!
https://heatst.com/uk/exclusive-brexit-2nd-referendum-petition-a-4-chan-prank-bbc-report-it-as-real/
@Crni: Stop putting Hitlor in every thread plox!
SpecialHands
First time out of the vault
"liberal media" "GURORIOUSUU PURRANKU" "le sad frog maymey" fuck sake, i get that the petition was fraudulent but sites like this are literally the neckbeard retards of Journalism.
valcik
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I don't care about the authors or dankest Pepe, all what matters are screesnhots from /pol/ with running scripts, bots, and programs used for hacking the poll. That's the first link Google gave me after putting "remain poll hacked" string in, take it or leave it! 
First link Google gets me is The Telegraph.
valcik
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Good for you Buxbaum666! Google providing personalized results based on your cookies is nothing new.
Way to ensmallen the filter bubble, fucking Google.
I get it man, I totally get it now. No need to write a novell that I won't read at this point. You're a racist and xenophobe. That's ok for me! You don't have to lie to your self, man. That's unhealthy! All this repressed angst ... I don't mean this as attack, but how do you even get trough your day, when you consider that there are like 1,3 or so billion muslims in this world! But still, all those facts of yours, don't really give us an answer what we're supposed to do in Germany with all those muslims and refugees. What would be your finall solution to the muslim problem?
I simply call racism/xenophobia and bigotry what it is. It's not my fault that many of those right wing populists follow the tactics that we saw in almost any fascist system to this day. Immigration and racist bullshit was not a huge thing in Brexit? Just so they can backtrack later? Anyway, let us get back to the main points anyway.
1. 350 milion for the EU.
Debunked, it was nowhere near 350 milion, and what 100 milion they now safe will most probably not even go into the NHS, but simply in to those areas which well, have been supported by the EU before ... Why hasn't Nigel told people before the vote that it was a mistake? Those are all aspirations I guess.
2. Britain will be finally independed from the EU.
Debunked, they will still trade with Europen Union, staying in the single market and most probably, follow EU laws and regulations.
3. Immigration will come to a halt and severely reduced after leave.
Debunked, again. Leaving the EU will most probably, not lower the number of immigrants/migrants by a large amount.
Tory Brexiteer Dan Hannan insists quitting the EU does NOT mean dramatic cuts to the number of immigrants coming to Britain.
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Throatpunch
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You are gradually getting more and more ridiculous.
Vergil isn't a racist or a xenophobe because he is concerned about Muslim extremism, or because he worries about refugee rapists. It also does not make him a Nazi too. You have literally no argument left, since it has been taken to pieces and destroyed , so you are reverting to calling him a Nazi and a racist/xenophobe because you have lost.
That is not up to Daniel Hannan, its up to the government to decide. Also, it depends on how the EU negotiations go.3. Immigration will come to a halt and severely reduced after leave.
Debunked, again. Leaving the EU will most probably, not lower the number of immigrants/migrants by a large amount.
Tory Brexiteer Dan Hannan insists quitting the EU does NOT mean dramatic cuts to the number of immigrants coming to Britain.
Nope, not debunked.2. Britain will be finally independed from the EU.
Debunked, they will still trade with Europen Union, staying in the single market and most probably, follow EU laws and regulations.
Reality Check verdict: The UK could continue to trade with the single market following an EU exit, but we do not know on what terms that trade would take place because that would be subject to years of negotiations.
So its not most likely they will stay in the single market, and also it is not most probable they will have to follow EU laws and regulations.
Come on dude, I am pro EU, but you arguments are so bad I feel the need to argue against them.
A Gish Gallop is where you spew loads of nonsense in a short time so your opponent cannot address or counter all of it. Vergil was citing facts and debunking arguments, I saw no nonsense. Maybe it was a half page long novel of 5,276-words, but certainly not a Gish gallop.
What matters is the context. Yes, context plays a very important role. I don't attack someone for saying that Islam is a religion with many issues. Neither would I attack someone for stating that (...) Approximately 12–13% of the American population is African-American, but they make up 35% of jail inmates.
The question is to what conclussions we come, what opinions we form from it. Why did he mentioned all that stuff about Muslism? To get me to admit, that yes religion can be a reason for a lot of shit in this world? Big deal.
I don't know how often I have to repeat my self. No one. Absolutely fucking no one here said those cases or african imigrants selling drugs, comiting crimes or making trouble don't exist. No one ever said that all refugees, muslims or imigrants would be awesome people.
But what I don't understand, why this always boils down to, hey! Look! See those Muslims are really really really terrible people and their religion is one of violence! Who is this helping? Who? And more importantly, what is the conclusion. Ok. YOu guys win. All muslims are potentially dangerous. Ok. What should we do next? What are we going to do with this information now.
I am simply sick of it. I am tired of it. And it's getting boring. It's the same shit in every political debate, rally or discussion you see with right wing populism where they constantly hammer down on how terrible, dangerous and little values Islam/Moslems share with Europe. But when you ask them what should be done about it, things look different. Beacuse many remain silent or pussyfoot around it. Yes, let us bann headscarves! That will show em! Rarw! Look how dangerous Europe is. Either you're ready to actually get in a war with billions of people and a religion as whole, or all of this has zero meaning.
Even IF we would all here agree now, for some reason, that 1,6 billion muslims, roughly 23% of the worlds population, would be potentially dangerous, what are we now supposed to do about it? Should we stop any muslims from imigrating to Europe and the US? How can this be effectively done? Fences? Walls? And what if 10, 20 or 100 thousand refugees want to cross them? And more importantly, what should we do with the muslims we already have in the US and Europe? Should we maybe ban and close down all mosques? Should we make special laws just for Islam? Should we invent some census and sign for those that are muslims?
When ever questions, like what we should do or at which point a muslim is integreated, are brought to people like Frauke Petry, the prominent face of the AfD, her answer is, no no no! We don't want to infringe on the rights of the people!? THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT OF PAINTING ALL MUSLIMS AS DANGEROUS AND HAMMERING DOWN ON THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T BELONG TO EUROPE. At which point has someone from us demanded that Islam should become the state religion? Or that the Shariah would be awesome.
We are talking about people here, real people. And not cattle.
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MutantScalper
Dogmeat
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/28/is-nigel-farage-right-meps-have-not-done-proper-jobs
Short version: no Nigel isn't right. Actually he himself is the one who hasn't done much.
Short version: no Nigel isn't right. Actually he himself is the one who hasn't done much.
Throatpunch
Banned
Vergil never actually said that all Muslims are terrorists, as you so allege. In addition, for you too shoot someone down as a racist or a xenophobe is absolutely ridiculous, only because they are concerned about severe terrorist threats and rapists.
Nobody ever mentioned painting all Muslims with the same brush, but you keep moving the argument onto something else when you are unable to answer facts about terrorism and rape.
I know you know exactly how the budget will be spent in a couple of years time. My only question: where did you get the magic crystal ball?
Welcome to the real world, I would say. Such things always have and always will exist. Germany survived the RAF, and we will survive this. That simple really.
There are concerns. And there is just, angst.
Still the main question remains. What should we do about those concerns. What should we do now?
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Throatpunch
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What are you talking about? Your statements make literally no sense
So we should ignore rape epidemics, and terror attacks that have costed thousands of lives, and just brush it all away by saying "welcome to the real world". Thats a pretty shit view of the real world.
MutantScalper
Dogmeat
Hey here's an idea, how about you guys with nothing but Muslims on your mind make a thread about Muslims and keep all the Muslim-stuff in that designated thread? Ok? Or are all threads going to be Muslim-threads from now on here on GD?
Or even better, go register on stormfront.org, you'll like it there, plenty of likeminded individuals there.
Or even better, go register on stormfront.org, you'll like it there, plenty of likeminded individuals there.
Izak
I Shot The ALBATROSS
Yeah, Brexit doesn't have all that much to do with muslims, in fact those racist acts were explicitly aimed at ethnic Europeans. If you want to talk about how bad muslims are go start a thread somewhere far away from this website.
Bah! Numbers, who needs 'em?
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Thousands of lives? All over the world or just in Europe? Or the US? How many of those in Germany so far? And if you count the muslims the US/Europe has killed in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia and Syriah so far, I would say there is huge counterblance to that, would you not agree? Thousands killed by them compared to hundreds of thousand killd bey us, trough drone strikes, military intervention, sanctions and well, wars. How many children and colateral damage has been caused by our governments and military so far?
Like I said. We are talking about people here. Not cattle. Those things are highly complex matters. Germany is not even close to the brink of colapse. And there are no signs that muslims will take over Germany in the near future. So yeah, I think a democracy has to endure terrorist attacks and what you might call rape epidemics. I never said the police or government shouldn't investigate cases where crimes have been comitted. Rapists and criminals have to be saught, arrested and convicted for the crimes they comited in a fair trial. And if we can, we should send criminals back to from where they come from. That simple. What more can you demand?
Otherwise I repeat my question, what else should we do about it? We can't protect people from something that might happen at some indefinite point in the future. There is no catalogue for how your average rapists looks like or what a typical terrorist is you know. Unless, and this is the conclussion, you place every muslim and every refugee under general suspicion.
How likely is it that the UK will get better deals than they already have? Particularly when some voices already said, Norways/Swiss model won't work for the UK ... Yeah, man I already see Poland, Greece, Spain, and all the others just in line to make worse deals for themself with Britain. If most of the polish people in the UK would have to leave the UK, they would return to Poland increasing the unemployment rate in Poland. Do you think they want that?
Where else will they spend the budged? If the EU has given millions to farmers, or weak areas, cities etc. what is the Uk going to do? Pull the plug? Yeah ... not really.
It's simply an idle and futile calculation. Britain paid money to the EU, of which a lot has returned in the form of subsidies and support - See the scientific community in Britain, wasn't that one of the points why you changed your opinion that the UK should remain? What do you think, from where will that money now come? And who will pay it?
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I see often the agriculture and subisides mentioned as argument when it comes to Europe. And I am baffled that some people don't think this trough. We are talking about food here. What would probably happen when people get panics because of heavy price fluctuations in food? Basic stuff, like eggs, milk, wheat etc. The whole point, the idea behind it is to make sure that there is a stability with prices and that farmers can still make a living. I think that is a reasonable idea, when you consider what instability it can bring if food prices would suddenly become instable. Obviously, there is room for reforms. But it is nowhere this tyranical system as people make it.
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