Don't Buy the Hype

yeah, what he said - the original post. since i so agree, let me just add my two cents.

i'll buy fallout 3 even if it probably stinks (i played through BOS, for dog's sake), but i've decided i'm not a fan of aforementioned company. So, i'll be picking it up used at the perfectly legal used game reseller, or when it hits the cheap bins - even if it flat out rocks. personal reasons and all that, but that's about the only real voice you have with companies who don't want to hear from you except on green paper.

and, i think i'll start emailing these cats (http://www.inxile-entertainment.com/) about what i'd like. maybe even tell all my friends. wish i'd been more bleeding edge when the fallouts were new since i've introduced about a dozen people to them, but all way too late to get a good fallout 3 when we should have seen it.
 
Some of the things I've seen that could be implemented in Fallout 3 really actually make me really want the game now. And I know that bethesda will make it graphically superb. I'm not buying the hype, but I'm not assuming it's crap.

p.s. I like Oblivion, especially on full settings it's a beautiful game. Agree that the linear RPG was slightly reduced in that series. It's possible they realize that and will fix it in Fallout.

At any rate: Oblivion Engine+Post Apoc = the best thing that could happen to me
 
nathanpinard said:
Some of the things I've seen that could be implemented in Fallout 3 really actually make me really want the game now. And I know that bethesda will make it graphically superb. I'm not buying the hype, but I'm not assuming it's crap.

p.s. I like Oblivion, especially on full settings it's a beautiful game. Agree that the linear RPG was slightly reduced in that series. It's possible they realize that and will fix it in Fallout.

At any rate: Oblivion Engine+Post Apoc = the best thing that could happen to me
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*throws up in the corner. I upgraded my system to play a number of new games including Oblivion, and I was ashamed to find, even good looking graphics doesnt make the game better. There's no point in developing a character that actually doesnt need to develop, when you can go anywhere and kill anything without any challenge at all.
 
nathanpinard said:
Some of the things I've seen that could be implemented in Fallout 3 really actually make me really want the game now. And I know that bethesda will make it graphically superb. I'm not buying the hype, but I'm not assuming it's crap.

p.s. I like Oblivion, especially on full settings it's a beautiful game. Agree that the linear RPG was slightly reduced in that series. It's possible they realize that and will fix it in Fallout.

At any rate: Oblivion Engine+Post Apoc = the best thing that could happen to me
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There's so much I would say to this post, but all I'll put down here is that I feel sorry for you. That's all.
 
Great read. Lots of information there. I'd pretty much read most of this before, but it was nice to have it all summed up into one article.
 
nathanpinard said:
Some of the things I've seen that could be implemented in Fallout 3 really actually make me really want the game now. And I know that bethesda will make it graphically superb. I'm not buying the hype, but I'm not assuming it's crap.

p.s. I like Oblivion, especially on full settings it's a beautiful game. Agree that the linear RPG was slightly reduced in that series. It's possible they realize that and will fix it in Fallout.

At any rate: Oblivion Engine+Post Apoc = the best thing that could happen to me
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Wow I never thought such stupid people existed, it's game play and storyline that count not graphics retard. graphics come in second
you could have a remake of pong with new graphics but original game play and you know what it would suck.

Now for my 2 cents the graphics of beth's FO3 hardly look like fallout the only thing that resembles fallout is the intercom box in one of the screen shots fallout is most likely to suck the only good thing beth could do for fallout is give the rights back to inter play or hire the ordinal creators of fallout 1 and 2.

Now for if any reason the game does possibly rock i'm going to wait before say "beth you can cut off your own di%k and burn the severed remains and your self" sorry but i'm mean like that :twisted: it's in god's hands now and the truth is god has better things to do.

:cry: :cry: :cry:
 
Hello cdoublejj,

I don't like Bethesda at all, but trust me, you don't want the Fallout franchise in Herve Caen's hands back either.

Hmm, why not Tim Cain or Boyarsky, that way if they ever manage to get Troika restarted and someone is willing to finance the project, they could start on their PA project again but this time with the Fallout name.

Only don't rush them, dammit!
 
cdoublejj said:
nathanpinard said:
Some of the things I've seen that could be implemented in Fallout 3 really actually make me really want the game now. And I know that bethesda will make it graphically superb. I'm not buying the hype, but I'm not assuming it's crap.

p.s. I like Oblivion, especially on full settings it's a beautiful game. Agree that the linear RPG was slightly reduced in that series. It's possible they realize that and will fix it in Fallout.

At any rate: Oblivion Engine+Post Apoc = the best thing that could happen to me
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Wow I never thought such stupid people existed, it's game play and storyline that count not graphics retard. graphics come in second
you could have a remake of pong with new graphics but original game play and you know what it would suck.
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He merely stated his opinion no need to be so insulting

And IMHO grafics do add a great deal to the immersion.


I find it rather amusing how the people on these boards react to FO3. It's in the hands of the most reknown western CRPG developer next to Bioware and still all you see is hate.

The Elder Scrolls games have all been great and have only gotten better imho.
Well Morrowind and Oblivion are very different from their precessors, I think it's only to the better. I loved Daggerfall, but it simply had no focus and most people had no idea what to do.
Especially the powerful editors gave the fans the ability to create incredible things. One only has to look at how active the Oblivion modding community is and every week there is some major release.

Also considering that Morrowind and Oblivion got top ratings from sites like 1up, gamespy and IGN, it's not all as bad as people here make it look.
I really look forward to the game and considering how great Bethesdas other game were, I think the latest entry to the FO franchise might be the best ever. It definitly will be the most succesful

And for every person here saying that the old games were better, there will be 100 people who think otherwise.


But anyhows, FO3 will happen no matter what people on these boards say and it will be a hit game.
You can decide to play it or not, but your ranting wont change a thing.
 
Kai Hohiro said:
I find it rather amusing how the people on these boards react to FO3. It's in the hands of the most reknown western CRPG developer next to Bioware and still all you see is hate.
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They did do some RPGs in the 90s I hear.

Kai Hohiro said:
But anyhows, FO3 will happen no matter what people on these boards say and it will be a hit game.
You can decide to play it or not, but your ranting wont change a thing.
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Your point being...?
 
Kai Hohiro said:
He merely stated his opinion no need to be so insulting

And IMHO grafics do add a great deal to the immersion.
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No one claimed graphics don't add to immersion, the point is that a first-person view isn't the same as 'immersion'.


Kai Hohiro said:
I find it rather amusing how the people on these boards react to FO3. It's in the hands of the most reknown western CRPG developer next to Bioware and still all you see is hate.
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Except that that in no way means Bethesda's games so far are of the same type or quality that Fallout was.

For your information: they aren't. Fallout was about recreating the Pen And Paper roleplaying experience, with an abundance of choices *and consequences*. You know, those little thingies that make you go 'Wow, this world reacts to my actions'.
Which, you know, doesn't happen in Oblivion. At all. You can be talking to someone who's calling you the saviour of the world, and in the next conversation he forgets about it and calls you an idiot.

Kai Hohiro said:
The Elder Scrolls games have all been great and have only gotten better imho.
Well Morrowind and Oblivion are very different from their precessors, I think it's only to the better. I loved Daggerfall, but it simply had no focus and most people had no idea what to do.
Especially the powerful editors gave the fans the ability to create incredible things. One only has to look at how active the Oblivion modding community is and every week there is some major release.
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Oh, that's right, the hallmark of a good game is that the fans make better content than the actual creators. Wooh!

Kai Hihori said:
Also considering that Morrowind and Oblivion got top ratings from sites like 1up, gamespy and IGN, it's not all as bad as people here make it look.
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Because we all know that the gaming press is infallible and never neglect to mention many of the problems in a game. No sirree.

Kai Hihori said:
I really look forward to the game and considering how great Bethesdas other game were, I think the latest entry to the FO franchise might be the best ever. It definitly will be the most succesful
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It's not about 'greatness' (which is about as useless a measuring rod as I've ever seen), it's about whether or not the third installment does justice to the series' original design and tenets.
Here's a little hint: so far, it doesn't even resemble the original game's design.

Kai Hihori said:
And for every person here saying that the old games were better, there will be 100 people who think otherwise.
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Yes, so? Who cares? We're fans of the *original games*, not of whatever Bethesda is going to make of Fallout 3. Or did you perhaps miss that part when you registered to post on this site?

Kai Hihori said:
But anyhows, FO3 will happen no matter what people on these boards say and it will be a hit game.
You can decide to play it or not, but your ranting wont change a thing.
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So you've come to these boards to tell us to shut up and eat the shit?
Strike one for trolling.
 
After I read the original post, I finally decided to register. Overall, it is an excellent post for simply stating how it is and what has been done. I'm actually way behind on the times when it comes to older games.

In fact, I had never played Morrowind until a year ago and after that I quickly bought Oblivion when it was released (expecting joy-gasms), but quit playing it after about three weeks. I have to admit, I truly fell for the hype leading up to Oblivion's release and thus became severely disappointed when the game could not deliver or expand/enhance what made the previous games good. The points made about the Radiant A.I., for example, is entirely true and is one of the main factors in the hype machine. Originally, as can be read in interviews or previews before Oblivion was released, the A.I. was planned (presumably) to be more adaptive or "life-like" rather than the static feel of how it actually turned out. The game-play mechanics were more frustrating, however, as by the time I reached a lowly level of 15, enemies simply became impossible for me to defeat, and thus killed me with ease. Who knew bears could survive several hundred stabs from a sharp blade? God knows I didn't.

I also "fell for the hype" when it came to Star Trek: Legacy, but I never did buy the game after I saw how horrendous it was when I recommended it to a friend of mine (who happens to be a Star Trek fan and including line of games based off of it). I can't really compare that game to any other Star Trek game since I have played very little. ST:L is just simply put: CRAP. It's one of the worst space games I've seen. About the only one I have tried recently, with the above mentioned friend, is a very clever top-down iteration called Star Trek: Away Team.


I guess I'm kind of a sucker for old games that I've never played before. As I noted earlier in my post, I'm fairly behind on the times when it comes to classic games. About the only old games I grew up playing (although very great titles, if I do say so myself) are Half-Life, the X-Wing series, and Dark Forces. Hell, its the same with console games as my first Final Fantasy and RPG was #7.

I only started playing Fallout 2 for the very first time in the beginning of 2007, never having played the first or BoS. I instantly fell in love with it much in the way I did with Deus Ex and System Shock 2 back in late 2006 (I intend to finish them at some point, honest). They are essentially genre trend setters and it is a shame that game companies nowadays are more worried out profit than creating games that literally have their own place in history. It seems to me that most games now have less immersion, depth, and replay-ability compared with their predecessors.

Having said all that, I'm not going to have very high hopes for Fallout 3. It looks so unlike what I have been playing that it seems laughable. Having played Oblivion, it simply looks like Elder Scrolls V: Forget all the Scrolls Stuff, Welcome To The Nuclear Holocaust+Guns. I'll see how it turns out in the end, but I'm not going to leap in without looking this time around. Certainly 'looks' is one thing, but QUALITY is more important. This is something that I do not believe can be delivered judging Bethesda's recent history.
 
Fallout would be pretty awesome as an FPS so I don't understand what you guys are arguing about. The isometric view is pretty stupid and outdated and doesn't stand up much to real-time combat. I have full confidence that Bethesda can make a good Fallout game as seen in their trailer for the game, yep.
 
Banned for trolling. If you're going to troll, at least put some effort in, people.
 
I have to agree with most of that post (though I will admit that I still enjoy Morrowind). Very thoughtful and interesting perspective, and lengthy, too. It really sheds light on Bethesda. A lot of light, in fact.

What's my view on Fallout 3? I'm going to pretend that it isn't Fallout, and that it is System Shock 3 instead. Then I will be happy no matter what. I do plan on playing it and making my own opinion, but I'm not going to let the brand name ruin my fun, even if it is so far removed.

Oh, and an edit: why aren't you guys listed? Are you protesting? http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=682154
 
I believe NMA was removed for posting Magazine scans. The PC gamer ones is what the justification was this time.
 
While there may be a lot of legal backstabbing and corporate hoo-ha, how does that affect us as gamers?

Not at all. If they're still charging only sixty bones for it, we really lose nothing. The main post - while well-written and well thought-out - really has no weight when it comes to the game itself.

Protest away, don't get me wrong, you're all free to do your thing. But as a gamer, I'm primarily concerned with good games. It's not my place to tell a multibillion dollar company how to do business.
 
DasMark said:
It's not my place to tell a multibillion dollar company how to do business.
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That's a poor attitude to take, I think. People somehow think that "oh, but it's Good Business(tm)" is an acceptable excuse for corporations acting unethically, which is completely ridiculous.

Now Bethesda may not be going out and eating babies (that we know of, anyway), but I still hold them in the highest contempt for purchasing the Fallout IP when they had no intention of doing it justice, outside of a perverted sense that they're somehow "reviving" it by defacing it to fit their extremely narrow vision of what a game "should" be. They should've left the Fallout IP alone and just developed their own post-apocalyptic faux-RPG.
 
I also think that bethesda has some poor community skills.

Personally I didn't like morrowind and even less oblivion(wich I never bought). Cause it tends to be boring fast, it's like a MMOrpg when the server is down and you're all alone.

Fallout was never boring even after the 4 th time played. I think it has something to do with the NPC's and the meaningfull quests, wich I never had in bethesda games. I don't want a quest that says kill x number of monsters so you can get cool boots and 10 gold coins.
Getting a nuclear reactor to work for vault city is much better and rewarding, cause it has a greater meaning for yourself, so you can be a member of vault city and get to acces the computer and for the poor mutants who operate the reactor.
 
great read OP

I loved Fallout 1&2. I just played them through again recently. They both hold up so well.

Oblivion was the first Beth game I played since Wayne Gretzky hockey. I really liked Oblivion but it was not on my radar until launch day and my buddy dragged me out to buy it and build up a PC to play it. Perhaps it isn't roguelike, but I find there is still stuff to find and play even after three times through the game.

On F3, I have a lot of the same fears as the OP. Skills and Perks were a big deal, but that is nothing compared to nuances of F2 in terms of factions and affecting the outcome. I just can't see that being in Beth's game.

Even the recent news about the music disappointed me. That was such a big part of what made the originals right.

But there still isn't anything that has me as excited as F3, even if it fails I am just so starved for a Fallout game.
 
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