Fallout 76 - BoS makes their appearance

With how hyped up Cyberpunk is I think it'll disappoint a lot of people.
I also don't think it's gonna be much of an RPG but then again I haven't had my nose glued to the development cycle to fully know every niggling detail. However what is their biggest claim to fame? Witcher 3. Personally I don't think Witcher 3 is an RPG in the slightest. It's an Action-RPG. So I don't really see why everyone is hailing this like the second cumming of christ. Death Stranding got hyped to hell and back and what did it end up being? An actual Walking simulator where there is a game mechanic for balancing your walking over rough terrain. A lot of people get suckered into the Telltale Games that promise that choices matter and then you replay the game and do different choices and the difference is abysmal.

Cyberpunk, I fear, is going to be an Action-RPG that is going to further skew the popular opinion of what makes an RPG an RPG and do more harm than good for the genre. Especially as others try to ape their success. I view Cyberpunk with nothing but skepticism. The hype train is too big and going too fast. I don't trust it.
 
I have to agree with Fish.

It seems to me that Cyberpunk 2077 will be an Action RPG. Notice the word "Action" being bold.
I just hope that at least the story will be any good, because I don't expect a cRPG out of this game. So the best second is that it might have good story.
 
I haven't tried any of the Witcher games, and frankly my backlog has been bloated to unimaginable size, on top of simply browsing the Codex a day can add a game to that. So with Cyberpunk I'm just glad there's a big release for the setting, and I don't mind if it's going to be Action-heavy. I went into Sekiro expecting literally nothing and pretty much satisfied even though it wasn't Soulsborne and Action-heavy.
 
Eumesmopo said:
Anyways. I'm glad that at least Cyberpunk 2077 is coming out in just two weeks from now. At least I'm going to have an actually good RPG to play. Can put my rope aside and wait a few weeks more before I kill myself.
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Can you wait a bit longer- until December 10th?
 
Eumesmopo said:
Anyways. I'm glad that at least Cyberpunk 2077 is coming out in just two weeks from now.
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Now look at what you did.
Mr Fish said:
With how hyped up Cyberpunk is I think it'll disappoint a lot of people.
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Hype is the first step on the road to disappointment. It is one of those self fulfilling prophecies were it can never truly live up to the shit you build in your mind. So just don't.
 
CDPR always valued mature settings, serious storylines and player choices since The Witcher 1 and are overall one of the most reliable AAA studios when it comes to delivering quality writing. Cyberpunk settings always make for great stories (Ghost in the Shell, Deus Ex, etc...) and Mike Pondsmith is on the writing team. It's an amazing combination that I have been eager for since the announcement almost a decade ago. I'm very confident that it's going to be the best RPG since New Vegas, with a very good plot and plenty of player freedom.
 
Eumesmopo said:
Anyways. I'm glad that at least Cyberpunk 2077 is coming out in just two weeks from now. At least I'm going to have an actually good RPG to play. Can put my rope aside and wait a few weeks more before I kill myself.
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Bro... This you?

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It doesn't have to make sense anymore. They just want BOS, Super Mutants, Enclave etc in their game and don't care if it fits lore or a realistic timeline. I'm not sure where else Fallout can go now, the next game needs to have totally new factions and monsters but I doubt they'd take away BOS or Mutants. Personally I'd love a tales of the wasteland game. Lots of chapters where you play as a character with standalone stories in the style of The Pitt, Old World Blues, Point Lockout, dead money. They are really good examples that you can still do original stories in the Fallout universe without relying back on the first games monsters and plot.
 
The Dutch Ghost said:
As I mentioned in another thread a few months ago when I read up on the news of this upcoming expansion; the BOS could not bother with sending an expedition to the Glow which they knew contained advanced technology.
Only a few renegade Paladins went there and the BOS never followed up on them other than sending wannabe recruits there.

And now it is retconned that the BOS send not one but two expeditions West, one being at a time when they were at their weakest.


I really hated the nonsense of Maxson contacting a fellow officer across the nation to start a chapter of the BOS there, complete with the same iconography.
I have the feeling that the Bethesda writers want to make out as if Maxson was this highly charismatic officer in the armed forces, almost like a Big Boss most of the lower ranking forces and some officers would side behind in an instant.
He wasn't. He was just some random schmuck considered high rated enough to be assigned to Mariposa base, and even there he was not the highest ranking officer until his superior committed suicide (I think).


And again the BOS are made out as some army that seeks to reclaim the wasteland for humans and peaceful mutants while driving out raiders, feral mutants, Super Mutants and so on.
They aren't. They are not anything like the NCR or any other post war government that seeks to rebuild the world.
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Let's not go to the one place that possibly shows how to make power armor ourselves from the company that made it (also info on maybe finding a cure for FEV or at least learn more about it) and fly off to the middle of nowhere on the other side of the continent we know nothing about for shits and giggles.
 
I kinda liked Fallout 76's initial explanation to the Appalachia Chapter. Maxson radioing Appalachia and spreading his ideals to the East, I kinda got behind that. Hell, after learning that what went down in Mariposa went all the way up to Washington it kinda makes sense to me that he'd wanna spread his ideology as much as he could since he wanted the BOS to be the driving force for humanity's restoration. But man, sending a team across the nation from California, especially so early on in the timeline, is so stupid. I didn't like that explanation for Fallout 3, and I don't like it now. If the BOS just HAD to be in D.C., I would've preferred that it would explained like it was in 76 where Maxson was in radio contact across the nation starting cells. It would've even given them opportunity to make each BOS cell different from each other reasonably. They wouldn't need the same sigil, catchphrases, ect. Could've been something fresher for each game. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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JunjiItosGio said:
that he'd wanna spread his ideology as much as he could since he wanted the BOS to be the driving force for humanity's restoration.
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Okay, here I need to correct you. Maxson is not a Big Boss like character.

Maxson's primary concern was for his men and their families to survive. He had no interest at all in preserving humanity outside his own group and one of the ways that they could survive is by preserving their technological knowledge and continuing on this.

Only later the BOS got the idea that they were the inheritors of the old world's civilization and that one day they would rebuild civilization through the proper use of technology.

The thing is and that Veronica also makes clear in FNV when you talk to them, the BOS see themselves as the only worthy users and owners of technology and are basically waiting for the rest of humanity to die off.
That the rest of humanity such as the NCR prove to be more successful, even being able to claim all the goodies the BOS feels should be theirs alone is a major frustration to the BOS as they themselves are not growing as an organization.

The organization you are talking about are the Followers of the Apocalypse who seek to preserve human knowledge and teach others so they can rebuild but not make the mistakes of the past again.
 
The Dutch Ghost said:
Okay, here I need to correct you. Maxson is not a Big Boss like character.

Maxson's primary concern was for his men and their families to survive. He had no interest at all in preserving humanity outside his own group and one of the ways that they could survive is by preserving their technological knowledge and continuing on this.

Only later the BOS got the idea that they were the inheritors of the old world's civilization and that one day they would rebuild civilization through the proper use of technology.

The thing is and that Veronica also makes clear in FNV when you talk to them, the BOS see themselves as the only worthy users and owners of technology and are basically waiting for the rest of humanity to die off.
That the rest of humanity such as the NCR prove to be more successful, even being able to claim all the goodies the BOS feels should be theirs alone is a major frustration to the BOS as they themselves are not growing as an organization.

The organization you are talking about are the Followers of the Apocalypse who seek to preserve human knowledge and teach others so they can rebuild but not make the mistakes of the past again.
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I getcha. I get early on Roger himself only cared for his people, but I wouldn't put it past him or his men to later on try and see if anyone else above ground was kicking. Especially those in let's say Washington, if even to discuss with others what he and his group experienced at Mariposa.

Also I misspoke about the Roger wanting the BOS to be the driving force for humanity, I didn't mean that as in they were like Lyon's Pride helping wastelanders and tribals cross the street and change their diapers, but rather over the course of their history with their expanding organization the BOS wanted to inherit the old world as you stated.

You're totally right though that originally Roger wasn't a big bossman like Aradesh or Tandi, not wanting to start a BOS empire across the country. I didn't let that retcon bother me all too much though. The Brotherhood's inclusion in Fallout 76 alone is what really friggin' annoyed me, but I thought it if they MUST have them, it was at least a better explanation than having Roger send a BOS unit across the country to West Virginia... before Steel Dawn did exactly that. (Pain.)

In a perfect world though the Brotherhood would just stay in their lane and not be in every god damn Fallout game ever made, my god it's annoying. Power Armor is cool and all, but my god Bethesda if you MUST use it all the time, let other NEW factions use it.

I think the most creative and original use of a Power Armor-having faction I've seen in Fallout post-Fallout 2 is the Mutant Hunters and Rebirth Ghouls in the Fallout 1.5 Resurrection mod. I really dug that instead of cramming the BOS they made something entirely new with Power Armor.
 
JunjiItosGio said:
Power Armor is cool and all, but my god Bethesda if you MUST use it all the time, let other NEW factions use it.
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I always suspected that Bethesda is constantly using BoS because their PAs look cool (and because the faction has a cool name)

Aren't they just a small faction that wants technology just for them?

It is not supposed to be material for multiple games. Or am I wrong? At least is what I think. I don't even care for them in FO2.

About retcon, meh, it's just Bethesda, I don't play Fallouts from this company.
 
And I still say the first lore rape was Fallout 3 to begin with, with the BOS, the supermutants and a lot else, and that was 12 years ago. So why are we still surprised of Bethesda doing this at this point again?

Cobra Commander said:
I always suspected that Bethesda is constantly using BoS because their PAs look cool
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Yeah, it's not like in the lore PA is not technically faction specific and and is a pre war item you could have a completely new faction use it, and even for whatever reason have access to more suits than the BOS itself, specially in a far away place, say like, the East coast? Without having to recur to the BOS at all.

Eumesmopo said:
Anyways. I'm glad that at least Cyberpunk 2077 is coming out in just two weeks from now.
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Ouch?
 
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JunjiItosGio said:
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I owe you an apology, when I read your previous post I had the idea that you were one of those posters who wanted to make apologies for Bethesda's changes in the lore because your first experiences with Fallout was Fallout 3, Fallout 4, or Fallout 76.
I now realize I rather overreacted and didn't give you a proper chance to explain.
It is sort of a reflex that I have developed since Fallout 3 when this forum became overrun with many Bethesda Fallout fans who tended use same arguments repeatedly why all the changes Bethesda had done to Fallout made sense or felt that we should not criticize Bethesda because they enjoyed Fallout 3, thinking it was "finally fun". (people who ignored the previous games because of their visuals or because they think turn based combat was something designed had come up with because games couldn't handle realtime combat. We often had to repeat to them that even in 1997 Fallout could have been made a first person action game)

Regarding your comment and suggestions, Bethesda's explanation of how a BOS chapter in Virginia could have formed technically works but Fallout 76 should not have had the Brotherhood of Steel in or or Super Mutants for that matter (all FEV research was concentrated in Mariposa when the government took direct control of the project, West Tek only had some samples left in their West Coast facility and it was released in the air when the laboratory was destroyed by Chinese ICBMs)
Edit: Bethesda should instead just have kept the military faction simply as the remnants of the US army or National Guard who now with the general collapse of the chain of command were on their own.

And Bethesda should knock it off with the BOS sending expeditions all over the US before Fallout 1 or having chapters in each and every state, or the Enclave having various colonies though I would like to believe that the Enclave had a bigger presence on the US mainland than just Navarro, just not enough numbers to continue the organization after the oil rig was destroyed which was their headquarters, main research and manufacturing facility, and where their civilian population resided

Power Armor should never have been restricted to the Brotherhood of Steel, or the Enclave. In FNV we already saw the NCR using Power Armor, though somewhat stripped down versions.
I think it would work much better if the NCR or some other government military or paramilitary forces has their own suits of working Power Armor.
I like to imagine that the NCR in the future would have their own Power Armor squads to deal with threats that are to big to handle for their regular forces or would cost them to much in lives and equipment.
And if the player wants to get Power Armor they would have to get it through the NCR.

Fallout Resurrection is a good example of how people tried to move away from using the same players/factions from FO1 and FO2 again but still used a lot of similar elements in a new way.
There were Ghouls but not all of them were from Necropolis (this is a topic for another debate I won't get into) and there were Super Mutants but they were just migrants on their way further to the East.
And instead of the BOS being the dominant tech faction we now had a new government formed by Vault Dwellers who possessed most of the advanced technology and continued on it, developing new things like light plasma rifles and their own version of the pulse pistol.
Sort of the BOS and the NCR combined but less focused on expansion.

The Mutants Hunters and the Ghouls of the Rebirth were now salvaging old military bases and armories for equipment including Power Armor and weaponry.

In my own Fallout Texas idea most of the Power Armor in the region would be in the hands of the Texas Rangers and their offshoot the Black Hats (who also manage to get their hands on Enclave Advanced Power Armor through prospectors from Houston/The Drowned City), though the two main governments; the Lone Star Confederacy and their counterpart the System could also possesses some suits.

The main tech faction; the Followers of the ATLANTIS might have some Power Armor, but more importantly they know how to fix Power Armor and how to make new suits such as the prototype ATHENA Power Armor which would have been the best Power Armor variant after the T-51B before APA was developed on the oil rig.
What they lack is the industrial infrastructure to mass manufacture such suits.
 
Gonzalez said:
And I still say the first lore rape was Fallout 3 to begin with, with the BOS, the supermutants and a lot else, and that was 12 years ago. So why are we still surprised of Bethesda doing this at this point again?
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Because these guys need something to fucking talk about bro, so they get to sit around and talk about all the shitty games being released until they die or leave the site. I know you are growing fond of this new shitty evolution of the series, but don't expect everyone else to like it.

Every time I see one of the people on my friends list play Fallout 4 or 76 I consider deleting them. That is how serious I take not supporting the people that ruined the series. The only purpose this site now holds is letting everyone know how shitty Bethesda is, along with letting people know when something else relevant might be in store for us, which is hardly ever.
 
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