Game Informer Fallout 3 article scans

[Kan-Kerai]

Hopefully after this, the guys at Beth will rape someone else's favorite franchise. Hey, maybe team up with Bungie/Microsoft to make a Japanese dating sim of Halo. With lots of tentacle action. That'd be stellar.

Wait, there are a lot of people out there who'd probably enjoy that. Kind of like how there are a lot of people out there who will enjoy Fallout 3.

Or is FOBOS the one more akin to tentacle rape? Maybe FO3 is just vanilla rape. With loads of Rocky Road ahead.

 

[Neal]

I will buy it but not from them I'm going to find it used somewhere but if I cant find a used one I would understand... now the only reason most fallout fans will buy it will find out how bad it was raped.

at least there is no more waiting thats the only thing positive there is. is that we dont have to wait anymore fallout is done.

I had waited for fo3 then we got tactics then BoS still waiting even though screwed over to make it worse cnc fans, Sam and Max fans, Starcraft fans all have a great game or are getting one while Fallout gets raped.

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

I will buy it but not from them I'm going to find it used somewhere but if I cant find a used one I would understand... now the only reason most fallout fans will buy it will find out how bad it was raped.

Hmm, I still find that a waste of money.
Take it from someone who collects old games, never waste money on games you know you will be disappointed about.

 

[Maphusio]

Remember that list we all agreed on? SuAside still mentions it in his sig:

FO3 needs: Isometric view (3D will do)/SPECIAL/non-linear story/turn-based combat/versatile quests/dialog trees

Now, I don't know about the versatile quests and dialogue trees, but so far only SPECIAL seems to have survived (minus Traits or so it seems).
They've also started to mess with the setting (e.g. PipBoy 3000 has been combined with a character creation screen showing a Vault Boy, supermutants that look like orcs à la Lord Of The Rings, handheld nuclear catapults, ...).

I was hopeful after seeing the teaser trailer, and could have lived with a different kind of Power Armour, but after reading the article and seeing the screenshots, I'm wondering why we still bother.

Soon we'll have 2 brilliant old-school games, a sweet tech-demo of a very promising yet cancelled sequel, 3 miserably failed attempts to revive the franchise and a dozen or so unfinished mods.
Wow. If Fallout were a rockband, the bandmembers would now be smoking crack and contemplating suicide.

One of the saddest things, IMHO, is this: Bethesda had a chance to reach out to all those gamers who have been (im)patiently waiting for a new TB isometric game worthy of playing. There's a market out there for games like that. And the Fallout franchise offered a chance to explore that market. And what do they do? They go FPS action-RPG. How stupid can you get? Instead of exploring a 'new' market, they aim for the herd. The console herd, in the first place. PC-gamers will be stuck with a lousy conversion of a lousy sequel of one of the best PC-games ever.

I could have lived with a FPS Fallout 3. That is, if they would have respected the setting. It would have been a chance to experience the Fallout universe in a different way. Like C&C Renegade, so to speak. I'd put on my blue spandex and go hunting for green mutants that look like something out of a 50's B-movie. Now it seems I'll have to jump into my designer Vaultsuit and shoot Doom 3 demons with my handheld nuclear catapult. And they'll wield hammers that look like they were freshly forged in Dante's hell. And I'll probably have to remain in Washington DC, cleaning the sewers and the underground. I can probably forget about those versatile quests then.

Pfff...

It feels so good to be a Fallout fan, doesn't it? You have nothing to look forward to except disappointment.

I feel like giving it up to you now... All joking aside, I could not have said it better. I feel so incredibly disappointed and violated. It would seem Bethesda is doing exactly what we feared and raping Fallout for all its worth. How many failed products will it take for the respective creators to actually listen to the fanbase on creating a product true to its name?

 

[Nim82]

Hopefully after this, the guys at Beth will rape someone else's favorite franchise. Hey, maybe team up with Bungie/Microsoft to make a Japanese dating sim of Halo. With lots of tentacle action. That'd be stellar.

Wait, there are a lot of people out there who'd probably enjoy that. Kind of like how there are a lot of people out there who will enjoy Fallout 3.

Or is FOBOS the one more akin to tentacle rape? Maybe FO3 is just vanilla rape. With loads of Rocky Road ahead.

Heh, can but wish.

Suspect tho realistically they are more likely to continue raping their 'fans' via glorious commercial plug-ins. We can take solace in the fact the 'new' breed of FO fanboys will no doubt be whining like bitches within a month of the game released, about how unfair it is they have to buy a plug-in to open a door in their game, and having to shell out to get cool stuff like Brahmin Armour, and Power Armour with go fasta stripes etc

 

[Dracon M'Alkir]

Oh well... maybe we can turn a blind eye on the game's title and enjoy a flashy post-apoc/d&d FPS? :E

It depends if you want to reward the Bethesda for raping Fallout or not. I adopted a policy of not buying games like this or games that have poor desing, because the only way we can really influence developers is by voting with our dollars. Buying a game is a vote for making games like the one bought and not buying is a vote against.

Right, but then you can never know how badly they fucked up. You'll never know how deep the rabbit hole goes.

 

[Brother None]

Pffft, "boycots" are ineffectual, anyway. If you want to make a difference, make sure people know "the truth".

 

[Maphusio]

Cant we try to look on the bright side? I mean we're probably not going to see a major Fallout production from anyone other than Bethesda. That said, theres always the modding community. Look at Stalker, in a few days a lot of the features of that game that were removed, such as dreams, and vehicles, were added back in by mods released within a month after its release date.

Granted its not our responsibility to make Fallout 3 a game we can all like, its Bethesdas, but worst case scenario, have faith in the fan-base and modding community, to make it into a game worth playing. Stalker, IMHO has had its gameplay drastically improved through the use of user-created mods. With the release of the Single player SDK, I can see that games popularity, and quality, rising even further.

Will the same not happen for Fallout3?

I see what you are saying and have no doubt the fanbase can produce a better product but I can not justify giving Bethesda a cent for their product. A good percentage of their products are surviving on the sweat of their hard working fan base to make a better product and I'm sick of it.

Why do Beth and other development outfits continue to produce a mainstream bull shit product? Why not create that diamond in the rough that ends up giving you sales for 10 years after its conception and release?

Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

Pffft, "boycots" are ineffectual, anyway. If you want to make a difference, make sure people know "the truth".

I have all ready envisioned myself at gamestop suggesting a kid donate money to IPLAY if he plans on purchasing Fallout 3... As for other avenues, well NMA is a big start.

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

Pffft, "boycots" are ineffectual, anyway. If you want to make a difference, make sure people know "the truth".

Hello Brother None,

What would be the best way to do that? (I'm serious)

 

[Dracon M'Alkir]

Pffft, "boycots" are ineffectual, anyway. If you want to make a difference, make sure people know "the truth".

"Dont buy the hype" - video edition coming soon.



Hmm? Hmm?

 

[Sorrow]

I see that they fucked up enough to don't deserve to be rewarded. The main problem is that when one buys a game despite disappointments and bad design decisions, it removes the consequences of fucking things up - a financial failure. I don't want to take part in making a financial success of a game like F3. Because that's what buying it means.
Helping Bethesda to achieve success despite what they are doing to Fallout.

Pffft, "boycots" are ineffectual, anyway. If you want to make a difference, make sure people know "the truth".

What "boycots"? I'm not masochist enough to pay my hard earned money for raping Fallout. That doesn't make a boycott yet.

 

[Brother None]

Hello Brother None,

What would be the best way to do that? (I'm serious)

I find saying hello and spelling people's names in bold helps.

As for how. I don't know, I'm not advocating some kind of exodus, but believe me or not, there are many gaming forums, none of them are as negative as us, but there's not a single one that is unanimously positive either. As the build progresses and the hype builds, it's our task to use forums, blogs, other media and real-life word of mouth to ensure people can look through the hype and see the real game. If they still want to buy it then, fine, I'm sure there are plenty who will, but let's not allow the game to sell on hype.

 

[Neal]

nuclear catapult..... when was there ever a nuke based weapon in fo... never there is a lack of nuclear everything in fo there are some but what makes it worse is that its a catapult. fallout3 is doomoblvion with orcs.

[quote="Why do Beth and other development outfits continue to produce a mainstream bull shit product? Why not create that diamond in the rough that ends up giving you sales for 10 years after its conception and release?[/quote]

Quick and easy money. the golden days from the 90s are over for gaming its all about graphics not game play now. There are a few exceptions hl2 is still where it should be, Bioshock, and a few others but for the most part most game companies are taking the path of EA

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

Hello Brother None,

Unfortunate I am terrible at giving good arguments, I know why I don't like this Fallout 3 and I would be able to sum that up for myself, but telling that in a civil way to someone who does buy the idea of this being the best thing since the original Fallout (which often quite a lot of gamers don't know about) is a bit of a problem.

I also get the feeling that Bethesda will soon resort to saying that most of the negative press is the ranting of obsessed Fallout fanboys who don't want their game to change.

nuclear catapult..... when was there ever a nuke based weapon in fo... never there is a lack of nuclear everything in fo there are some but what makes it worse is that its a catapult. fallout3 is doomoblvion with orcs.

It is one of the same mistakes FoBos made (yes I actually played it, it still haunts me), during the game all kinds of weird and high powered crap appeared that actually did not make much sense.
Electric or laser sledgehammers? Testla blades?

As someone else pointed out, the main word in that weapon is 'nuclear', something incredible powerful.
Shouldn't 'nuclear' give you the dreaded image of instant incineration of not just your foe but also your own person?

 

[Brother None]

Indeed, Dutch Ghost, a very familiar spot for us. Remember when people were blaming us for Tactics' flop? As if we made the game.

No matter, our reputation isn't the best, it's whether or not our opinion is understood, not if people like us that matters.

 

[Neal]

As someone else pointed out, the main word in that weapon is 'nuclear', something incredible powerful.
Shouldn't 'nuclear' give you the dreaded image of instant incineration of not just your foe but also your own person?

very true, also you would think they might have learned a lesson with Nuclear weapons considering the situation.

The only reason i would but it knew or at all is if includes a van buren beta

 

[Sorrow]

If you want to make a difference, make sure people know "the truth".

I'm putting links to the History of Fallout and VDwellers article in my sig on various forums.

 

[Hatefish]

Wow your all kinda bitter huh? I guess thats understandable considering but hell, your so focused on the bad parts you seem to completely miss the good parts.

Sure its not fallout 1 or 2. and why should it be its a completely different group of people making the damn thing. they are used to making a completely different kind of rpg so of course its going to be a change from what your used to.

Why is that so damn terrible? you act like unless its a complete copy of fallout down to the characters damn shoes its a waste of time. I think that reaction is just a tad over the top.

You want a visual copy look at brotherhood of steel. it had the same look, the same guns, the same guys, the same combat system, and no life to it at all. felt like screwing a cardboard cutout when you played it.

now this new game sure doesn't look like fallout in the sense that its going to play differently, but what I loved about fallout was the story, the world that had been created. the feel of the game was great. And if you read those short stories from the magazine and you look at the pictures and look beyond the changes for just a moment or two I think you can see alot of time and effort is going to trying to capture that fallout feel, that doomed story.

Sure its not going to play the same. Its going to be a different persons representation of that world. But personally when I read that article I got the feeling they were putting allot of effort and love into bringing that fallout feeling to a new setting. as opposed to slapping together the basic ideas of the fallout games and shoving it out the door ala that horrible horrible xbox game.


By contrast just the idea alone of the pip boy with the built in radio receiver sounded cool. being able to wander through ruins while listening to fallout music or whatever psychotic dj they have running the stations sounds very much like the fallout I remembered.

In the end you have to be realistic, they arnt going to get the funding to make an old fashioned turn based rpg just like fallout. not with the cash crazy 15 year old console market being what it is. but you can have a solid rpg made by people who seem to love the setting and want to see something else come from that vibrant world.


So ya its not exactly what we all wanted, what a shock that life doesn't give us exactly what we want. but trashing it like its the coming of the anti christ from one set of magazine scans is just sad. Especially when its easy to tell there putting a hell of alot of time and effort into it so far, even if its not all in the direction you agree with.

 

[Brother None]

what I loved about fallout was the story, the world that had been created. the feel of the game was great.

Ok, and what a lot of us loved about Fallout were the pen and paper emulation mechanics. It's an important facet for many of us, just like the setting is an important facet for you. How'd you react if they removed the setting?

 

[alec]

Just by saying that you just sounded like an idiot.

oH! you can pause the game! and shoot body parts! like this would make a big difference! MAYBE this shit with APs was introduced recently! Or maybe you should face the truth

Rosh was anal enough to be very exacting about being specific about the difference between TB, RT and RTwP. If he had known it was this retarded RTwP system, he would've said so. He didn't, which again means his generic remarks, which were predictions made by many people that knew Bethesda well without inside info, were just speculation, and not the inside rumours he claimed them to be. I'd have believed him if he'd mentioned *one* thing that's surprisingly specific, like, say, shit, the baggy jumpsuit, or the fact that the BoS was in it.

Well, he said it would suck, didn't he? And it sucks, doesn't it?

'Nuff said. Rosh rules. Move along now.

By contrast just the idea alone of the pip boy with the built in radio receiver sounded cool. being able to wander through ruins while listening to fallout music or whatever psychotic dj they have running the stations sounds very much like the fallout I remembered.

I don't remember that the PipBoy 2000 was able to play 50's tunes. You must have played a different version of FO than me.
Probably the "Insane In The Membrane" version.

Although the idea of primitive radio-stations is actually pretty nice, it does not diminish my dissatisfaction with the fact that they thought they'd could just get away with introducing a new and improved PipBoy (RobCo) that features images of Vault Boy (Vault-Tec). That's like Coca-Cola using the Michelin mascot in their commercials, for fuck's sake.

A lot of people posting in this thread should study the Fallout universe first and speak later.

I'm so friggin' mad, you can't imagine. I actually haven't slept in 43 hours because of the Game Informer scans.