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If, for example, older folks live in badly insulated houses, many of them might need better shelter.
lol my house has practically no insulation. good thing i've got plenty of dogs. they're basically furry heaters XD
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47063973
This is quite interesting. European colonization of America killed so many people that the growth of trees on the free agrarian space pulled so much CO2 from the atmosphere that it contributed to the Little Ice Age.
so... genocide is the solution to global warming? how did we not see this sooner?
white-guilt I-wonder-how-many-died reasons,
white guilt is dumb and gay.
the natives were wasting what they had. we came over and built a world superpower. progress.
"oh no another people were conquered"
like it hasn't happened a million times over the course of history.
 
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I thought of that trope/joke today, the whole "first dude who thought of drinking whatever came out of the cows udder"
A lot of people have shared this joke, like, "what were they thinking, lol"
but...
in seriousness, they probably had more than just a vague notion of what would come out.
It most likely was a rational decision made out of necesity, and not just some random-ass stone-age jackassy stunt
It's not like people just crowded quadrupedal animals trying to drink out of their various orifices untill one guy goes "Omg finally, this stuff is delicious!"

One good piece of evidence for this is that we consume milk from other animals than cows -
we consume milk also from camels, buffalo, sheep, goats - and more

not once in this list does any random "semen" or "massive ammounts of sweat" ever occur, the uniting factor is milk - from udders - that we have quite the easy time recognizing, being humans, having udders ourselves, and being brought up by the milk therein.

So there.

I have spoken!!!
I mean, we wouldn't need that much odd inspiration to drink milk from a cow. It's the defining feature of mammals. We grow up sucking milk out of a teat, we see other animals do the same and get fatter and jist like the weirdo Cow Blood transplant it was probably consumed to acquire some trait from the animal.
 
The fact that we're kinda the only mamal drinking milk as adults, from a different species that is, is kinda disgusting, when you think about it.
 
The fact that we're kinda the only mamal drinking milk as adults, from a different species that is, is kinda disgusting, when you think about it.
Adult cats love cow milk too. But they don't have hands to milk the cows themselves... :lol:
 
But adult cats should not be given cow milk. :) Gives them the runs.

Isn't it a matter of lactose in general? Pet store milk for cats ("cat milk" sounds like something dreadful) is basically just lactose free cream, or something such, it's still from cows

I'm curious though, what the decision process is for milk production in general, and what fraction of production total goes into pet indulgences. My brother worked in a slaughter-house, for example, and noted how modern industry is ever as attentive as any tribal culture when it comes to utilizing *every last bit* of a carcass - obviously - it's an income-per-gram attitude.
He said any meat that drops to the floor, goes straight to the pet-food industry. They just scoop it up, and have containers on the ready, to ship off to pet food producers.
 
Isn't it a matter of lactose in general? Pet store milk for cats ("cat milk" sounds like something dreadful) is basically just lactose free cream, or something such, it's still from cows

I'm curious though, what the decision process is for milk production in general, and what fraction of production total goes into pet indulgences. My brother worked in a slaughter-house, for example, and noted how modern industry is ever as attentive as any tribal culture when it comes to utilizing *every last bit* of a carcass - obviously - it's an income-per-gram attitude.
He said any meat that drops to the floor, goes straight to the pet-food industry. They just scoop it up, and have containers on the ready, to ship off to pet food producers.
Indeed it is.
 
I wonder if there's ANY way whatsoever to squeeze a pre-colonialism population estimate out of that :V
I doubt, of course, I just find it unfortunate that pop. estimates are so vastly spread, they're often like "10 to 100 million". I'm not only curious out of white-guilt I-wonder-how-many-died reasons, but I'm curious of the demographic density of some of these geopolitical entities, in particular those that were logistically federated over larger distances, and not merely tribal unions - in particular the Inca empire
The paper starts with a population of 60 million that was reduced to five to six million.
 
When I was a teen I loved imagining training a gorilla to work out, benchpress and lift dumbbells and stuff you know, like really teach it
Not only that, but also provide it with steroids and such, really pump it, make like a real beefed out gorilla, like - if a normal natural gorilla - big as it is - correspond to the naturally muscled tribal human, create a gorilla that instead correspond to a totally jacked up strongman

THEN teach it martial arts techniques as well as a disdain for authority figures

Such a beast could probably flip cars as well as just swallow low calibre gunfire with sheer muscle mass, 9mm bullets would just jam in between the fibres!

On a similar chain of thought, I also really like the idea of two Olympic Games, one regular, and another where everything goes, doping-wise, like a showcase of every boundary blasted to oblivion, how absolutely fast can we FORCE the human body to move? How absurdly strong? What kind of absolute freaks can we come up with, with nobody holding us back?
 
You could also shave the Gorilla and send it to body building events. Who's going to tell the difference? The Jurry? The audience? Good joke.

I see a new business possibility aproaching here!
 
When I was a teen I loved imagining training a gorilla to work out, benchpress and lift dumbbells and stuff you know, like really teach it
Not only that, but also provide it with steroids and such, really pump it, make like a real beefed out gorilla, like - if a normal natural gorilla - big as it is - correspond to the naturally muscled tribal human, create a gorilla that instead correspond to a totally jacked up strongman

THEN teach it martial arts techniques as well as a disdain for authority figures

Such a beast could probably flip cars as well as just swallow low calibre gunfire with sheer muscle mass, 9mm bullets would just jam in between the fibres!

On a similar chain of thought, I also really like the idea of two Olympic Games, one regular, and another where everything goes, doping-wise, like a showcase of every boundary blasted to oblivion, how absolutely fast can we FORCE the human body to move? How absurdly strong? What kind of absolute freaks can we come up with, with nobody holding us back?
Throw in some CRISPR PEPCK gene editing and you get some real fun.
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47063973
This is quite interesting. European colonization of America killed so many people that the growth of trees on the free agrarian space pulled so much CO2 from the atmosphere that it contributed to the Little Ice Age.

Yanks always bend over backwards to belittle the number of Natives killed. Reminds me all the mental gymnastics the NRA folks practice.

so... genocide is the solution to global warming? how did we not see this sooner?

There's actually a very influential Finnish environmentalist who has been saying that for decades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentti_Linkola

He might not fit your idea of a typical tree-hugger.
 
i don't. kinda hard to pretend that European immigrants didn't nearly wipe out an entire race just by occupying the same space.
 
i don't. kinda hard to pretend that European immigrants didn't nearly wipe out an entire race just by occupying the same space.

Yes, it's the present day Swedes with their imperialist monarchy who should be dragged into the Hague war crimes tribunal for crimes against humanity.

IMHO, the present day occupants of USA who are the descendants of European settlers are the most logical culprits when it comes to finding the beneficiaries of the genocide of the Native Americans.
 
IMHO, the present day occupants of USA who are the descendants of European settlers are the most logical culprits when it comes to finding the beneficiaries of the genocide of the Native Americans.
am i supposed to feel bad?
its a genocide that was perpetrated by dead men a long ass time ago. also calling the descendants of a conquering people "beneficiaries" of genocide is a bit unfair. That's like calling black americans "beneficiaries" of slavery because now they don't have to live in third world countries. yeah its technically true but you're an asshole for saying it.
 
Just say you grieve on a daily basis, Graves, that should get you off the hook for now.
In Norway we are typically well aware of our industrial scale routine plundering of the British Isles, in particular Ireland, and we usually just giggle it off, "oh, we were so bad :D"
Reality is, yes, we were. Not just "bad :D" but absolutely horrifyingly gruesome. It would have been common to target smaller, helpless communities, that's the robber mentality - why attack someone who will make things difficult for you?
That said, when you're coming *specifically* to steal off women and children, there will be resistance, typically to the death. This would have to be dealt with swiftly.
Most people tend to envision the viking ships crossing the ocean, for them to just dart onto a coast, and start killing - but everything needs planning. A coastal raid would typically land nearby, on a neighboring beach if possible, or some nearby islands, just to stretch legs, get some food, piss and shit, and just go over some basic who-does-what. They would then return out to the open ocean, and then - for surprise effect, indeed dart straight onto the coast, usually scraping way onto land, like beaching orcas. From there on, there's nothing but lives shattered.

Valiant brothers, uncles, fathers, hell - maybe a mother or sister or two, who refuse to stand by, facing a force of destruction that give no warning and offer no compromise - would face these "barbaric brutes" as they've been described. A day starts one way, and ends another. Every single man who resists is put to the sword, in front of his family. Women and young girls are raped there and then. Material valuables are token bonuses, since the main prize is slaves, especially children, who will face a lifetime of slavery, and are more malleable than a more quarrelsome adult.

Once captured, slaves would find themselves transported across the ocean pretty much right away. Many became house-hold slaves for well off families, and many were treated relatively well... I bet they were juuust thrilled! Others were ammassed and killed for sport, this was probably rare, since only one archaeological finding seems to suggest this. Makes sense it would be rare, since a slave tends to cost a bit of money. Probably some millionaire psycho who wanted to show off. I bet even neighbor local vikings were appalled at such behavior.
Other slaves became part of the larger trade network, and were sent off into eastern and southern Europe, some ending up as far as the Middle East or North Africa.

To this day, freckles and red hair are much more prevalent on the south-western Norwegian coast, than elsewhere in the country. A steady demand assured that raids were continous. At least untill Europe managed to wise up to the threat from the north, and begin meeting these raids with harsh resistance, but by then we had destroyed thousands - maybe hundreds of thousands - maybe over a million lives, and left who knows how many innocent fathers and brothers and uncles dead, slaughtered, rotting on beaches, in their hapless attempt at defending their absolute dearest.

LOL :D
 
but doesn't too much muscle mass fuck up your heart?
Only if you're taking steroids, growth hormones and what ever fancy laboratory shit they use these days to get jacked.

If you're just training, you can train as much as you want, but your joints and muscles will give up long before it gets so serious that your organs would be affected. You can't really get the issues so called pro-body-builder get just from training, regardless how hard you train as a natural.


am i supposed to feel bad?
its a genocide that was perpetrated by dead men a long ass time ago. also calling the descendants of a conquering people "beneficiaries" of genocide is a bit unfair. That's like calling black americans "beneficiaries" of slavery because now they don't have to live in third world countries. yeah its technically true but you're an asshole for saying it.
A long time ago is relative when you think about it. At least from a historical point of view. Don't get me wrong, I am not talking about blame here. But when you really think about it, it is someones heritage. Think about your own history for example, try to look as far back in your ancestry as possible and think about all the things that actually still affect you in some way today.

One example. What do you think, how many americans with irish family names, only live in America today, because their ancestors left ireland due to the potatoe famine? Or because of British rule? The conflict between the IRA and Britain was even carried in to the United States. And it dates back to a history that happend hundreds of years ago and it's still relevant even to this day. We have even movies about it today. Or some people have great grand parents that remembered slavery, telling them stories about it, growing up with it. And that happend some 150 years ago!

Those kind of things are impossible to escape, even if it doesn't affect you directly, but it will be a part of your culture, your heritage, the things you grow up with, grand parents, friends and so on.

So while the usual american isn't bothered by it, the native Americans that still live today, definetly are. Even if it might have happend 200, 300 or 400 years ago.

History and culture and their effects on society and individuals are a highly complex topic.
 
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