Heard the best arguement ever today

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Somebody made a really, really persuasive argument as to why we shouldn't be complaining about Fallout 4. Apparently "We should be grateful for Bethesda for making Fallout 4 in the first place, as if it weren't for them, Fallout 4 wouldn't exist."

Like literally, someone actually said that.

So you know what I think. I know that Fallout 4 literally f***ed up a s**t ton of lore, despite contributing literally nothing to the lore, made an incredibly lazy backstory, with barely 2 proper locations in an area that genuinely had potential, cut most of the good ideas for the sake of implementing generic shoot-em-up style dungeons, and overall did more harm than it did good, but why not thank Bethesda anyway, because we would be soooo much worse off had it never happened. How would we live in a world without a rushed fallout game that messed up everything about the series?


While we're at it, why don't we take a second to be thankful for the Salem Witch Trials, sure they were incredibly stupid, tackling a threat that most likely doesn't even exist, and killed tons of innocents, but you know what, why not be thankful that they were fighting witches in the first place.
 
I am pretty sure that kind of argument fits some kind of fallacy even if I do not know the name for it.
If there was not a Fallout 4 there would probably have been another game that would now be beloved by one group of gamers and severally disliked by another group of gamers. (if for example Wasteland was continued back in the 80s and 90s by Interplay, had become as popular as Fallout and then got bought by Bethesda)

Personally I have come to detest the whole 'they saved an aging franchise from being forgotten' movement that has been rearing its ugly head in the games, movie, and television industry.
Something else and perhaps something new would have taken its place instead, and bringing back old franchises has not always been an improvement on them, for example fixing on what made them loose popularity or public awareness in the first place.

Often it was because a formula became tiresome and repetitive or production values declined. The Fallout franchise did not get the time to undergo that sort of decline as the series only existed of Fallout 1, 2, a spin off called Fallout Tactics, and later on a bad spin off which was basically another game recreated as a Fallout game in order to appeal to the console market in an attempt to stave off bankruptcy. (Interplay was in deep financial problems when that game got released)
There was no problem with the main games' design that made people leave it, the owner was simply in trouble due to its own bad decisions.
 
The Dutch Ghost said:
I am pretty sure that kind of argument fits some kind of fallacy even if I do not know the name for it.
If there was not a Fallout 4 there would probably have been another game that would now be beloved by one group of gamers and severally disliked by another group of gamers. (if for example Wasteland was continued back in the 80s and 90s by Bethesda, had become as popular as Fallout and then got bought by Bethesda)

Personally I have come to detest the whole 'they saved an aging franchise from being forgotten' movement that has been rearing its ugly head in the games, movie, and television industry.
Something else and perhaps something new would have taken its place instead, and bringing back old franchises has not always been an improvement on them, for example fixing on what made them loose popularity or public awareness in the first place.

Often it was because a formula became tiresome and repetitive or production values declined. The Fallout franchise did not get the time to undergo that sort of decline as the series only existed of Fallout 1, 2, a spin off called Fallout Tactics, and later on a bad spin off which was basically another game recreated as a Fallout game in order to appeal to the console market in an attempt to stave off bankruptcy. (Interplay was in deep financial problems when that game got released)
There was no problem with the main games' design that made people leave it, the owner was simply in trouble due to its own bad decisions.
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In the legal field it's called proximate cause http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Proximate_cause.html it referes to the action of one party being the direct cause of the injury to another party in civil law.
 
We should be really happy with dysentery, because without it, dysentery would not exist. Well... that is kind of a good point. Like... I couldn't read about dysentery, which means I could not expand my horizon, increase my knowledge, learn about a disease where you actually shit yourself to death. Pulp Fiction would have lost a giggly detail, and I would have lost an oportunity to have fun with the "pest"-function in Civ 3's editor
 
JO'Geran said:
Somebody made a really, really persuasive argument as to why we shouldn't be complaining about Fallout 4. Apparently "We should be grateful for Bethesda for making Fallout 4 in the first place, as if it weren't for them, Fallout 4 wouldn't exist."

Like literally, someone actually said that.
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Oh boy, heh yeah some people. We are not allowed to criticize Fallout 4 because ... it exists ...? Well, I guess if Bethesda filled a jar with elephant turds and sold it as Fallout 4, we would still have to bow down, and say, yes sir! Thank you sir! We love you!
 
You should appreciate it!
*Fallout 4 kicks you around when Cabot house and Kid in a Fridge is revealed*
...but you should appreciate its existence!
*Game headbutts you to the ground followed by being stepped on when you see all the repetitive quests and lackluster locations plus world itself*

Yeah I'm appreciating the realization of what Fallout 4 really is which is to say not at all. You will find these arguments in places like Reddit.
 
JO'Geran said:
Somebody made a really, really persuasive argument as to why we shouldn't be complaining about Fallout 4. Apparently "We should be grateful for Bethesda for making Fallout 4 in the first place, as if it weren't for them, Fallout 4 wouldn't exist."
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Remember, the same majority of the fanbase of Fallout 4 are the ones who make quickscope videos for Call of Duty on dubstep and annoying voice-overs. This is only to be expected, not to be frustrated with.

Crni Vuk said:
Oh boy, heh yeah some people. We are not allowed to criticize Fallout 4 because ... it exists ...? Well, I guess if Bethesda filled a jar with elephant turds and sold it as Fallout 4, we would still have to bow down, and say, yes sir! Thank you sir! We love you!
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Good thing this is only an Internet argument over a video game, because in real-life this would resemble the actions of and attitude towards a very dangerous cult or an extremely oppressive totalitarian regime.

People aren't getting worse, they're just getting back to classic levels of stupidity from the time before, but over new subjects now.
 
Oh definetly. I don't share this "each generation is getting worse" bullshit. We had always bad generations. It's just that we are more sensible to it now.
 
Crni Vuk said:
Oh boy, heh yeah some people. We are not allowed to criticize Fallout 4 because ... it exists ...?
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According to some people, this site is "A Joke" because we criticized Fallout 3. Like literally, there are people who actively think that this site loses all validity because we have a negative opinion regarding a game.
 
I wouldn´t even call it a negative opinion. NMA criticizes the flaws insted of of worshiping it like its the game to end all games.
 
JO'Geran said:
According to some people, this site is "A Joke" because we criticized Fallout 3. Like literally, there are people who actively think that this site loses all validity because we have a negative opinion regarding a game.
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Tells you how credible they are as people, they probably dismiss everyone who does not share the same opinion and taste.
If you like Fallout 3, fine, but give us your reasons and not the groupthink speech.
 
Actually, my favourie argument:
"What did you expect? It is a Bethesda game. Of course it's buggy. Now stop playing like a retard!"
 
You would think that criticising everything along with Fallout 4 would make things seem more fair, but then they say, "then that means you hate every game!" Criticism somehow became the synonym of hate at some point entering the 21st century.

Or we could just stop criticising anything at all, at which point, "if you have nothing constructive to say then why does your forum even exist?"

My point is, you can't win. If someone is intent on despising every fibre of your being and every particle of independent thought that comes out of it then nothing you do is going to make them stop doing so. Look, I'm sane, and even I can come up with these:

"You haven't played Fallout 4! You can't judge!"

"Since you've played the game and spent hours on it that means it's a good game!"

"No, that's a feature!"

"Bugs are common in every game, Bethesda works hard but it's impossible to fix everything!"

"The plot is better than in New Vegas, the Brotherhood are conflicted morally and everything! The Legion were just plain evil!"

"New Vegas was buggier, so Fallout 4 is a better game!"

"Fallout 4 has better weapon modding!"

"New Vegas doesn't have settlements to build!"

"Well, since New Vegas needs mods to build settlements, why do you keep calling Fallout 4 a game that needs to be fixed by mods? It's not Fallout 4 that needs a mod for that!"

"Mods don't have to fix it because it's a feature!"

Removal of skills is great because they can create a more dynamic player experience!"

"New Vegas sucked, you had to add numbers to the Guns thing to make you shoot properly, I had to use console commands to up it to 100 because my gun wouldn't shoot properly!"

"Fallout 4 has better graphics than New Vegas, meaning it's a better game!"

"Graphics don't matter, Fallout 4 will be good despite not being as good looking as the other AAA games!"

"The Witcher sucks because you can't make your own character and create your own story!"

"Well, you can't create your own story in Fallout 4 and that's okay because Bethesda worked hard to create a well-defined storyline for us!"

"The storyline isn't that great because Bethesda wants you to fill the gaps yourself! It's a roleplaying game, you're supposed to do that!"

"This is an FPS, not an RPG, stop asking for skills, the old games are outdated now!"

"The enemies are not like in Borderlands because they have a different naming system!"

"The settlement building is not like Minecraft! You can't dig, and the crafting is different! In this game, it's more realistic!"

"The game's not like Destiny at all, it's not multiplayer and it has a better world! It's not repetitive like in Destiny! It seems repetitive but the Radiant quests are actually dynamic, Todd Howard said it was!"

"Fallout 4 has more weapons than Fallout 3!"

"Well, Fallout 4 has less weapons than Fallout New Vegas because there's a crafting system now! It's more complex and intuitive and it had a lot of hard work put in, so don't expect the impossible!"

"Fallout 4 is better than Borderlands, Destiny and Minecraft because it has all of their features!"

"If you want top-down go play XCOM! That's not what Fallout is about!"

"This isn't Deus Ex, you can't play without killing, that's not what Fallout is about!"

"This game has much better RPG mechanics than Far Cry!"

Yup, that's all me, no Reddit copy-paste work, that was the spectacle that is my genius, from the cutting edge of my next-generation mind. How's that for arguments?

You don't even have to be on their side to make these up. Come to think of it, some of the trolls around Reddit could very well be NMA posters being sarcastic undercover.


 
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