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I felt terribly, terribly disappointed here and in the followup. The majority of the game lacks a feeling of humanity, but characters like Eden and Autumn take the cake. No option to convince Eden that all the people of the wasteland are natural born American citizens and therefore are the ones he is supposed to serve? And what would be so bad about letting the Enclave rebels, as they are under Autumn, have and activate the purifier? No, it all comes down to a needless and avoidable firefight with a giant robot thrown in. The shiny paintjob only impresses for so long before you notice the swollen, bondo-covered and rusted out hull that Fallout 3 is at its core.
 
1. Conceptually, the whole thing is a linear traipse and a sludge-fest. Not scoring points there, and the predictably un-Fallout design doesn't help (Enclave doesn't really have a tradition of fitting in well with the Fallout setting, granted, but the "omfg look bodies floating in tanks!"-angle doesn't help, the faux-horror thing Bethesda tried leveraging into the game got old fast anyway)
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Although I agree with everything else, this I think, wasn't so far off the mark. Fair enough it wasn't original, but if I remember correctly:

FO1 had tanks with a green fluid in the glow and in some other places.

FO2 had them in the EPA, Sierra Depot and other places also. So to go from Empty Tank with green fluid in it to Tank with floating bodies actually doesnt go too far off from Fallout, at least what hasn't already explicitly been awknowledged in the game. That, and the fact the description of these tanks says something like ''Looks like it could fit a human body'' kind of kills your argument.
 
Chancellor Kremlin said:
1. Conceptually, the whole thing is a linear traipse and a sludge-fest. Not scoring points there, and the predictably un-Fallout design doesn't help (Enclave doesn't really have a tradition of fitting in well with the Fallout setting, granted, but the "omfg look bodies floating in tanks!"-angle doesn't help, the faux-horror thing Bethesda tried leveraging into the game got old fast anyway)
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Although I agree with everything else, this I think, wasn't so far off the mark. Fair enough it wasn't original, but if I remember correctly:

FO1 had tanks with a green fluid in the glow and in some other places.

FO2 had them in the EPA, Sierra Depot and other places also. So to go from Empty Tank with green fluid in it to Tank with floating bodies actually doesnt go too far off from Fallout, at least what hasn't already explicitly been awknowledged in the game. That, and the fact the description of these tanks says something like ''Looks like it could fit a human body'' kind of kills your argument.
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I really honestly don't believe any "faux-horror" angle was attempted by any of the Fallout teams.. I think it's there to show that the enemy really doesn't view the people they are experimenting on as anything more than test subjects. Actually getting to see the Enclave experimenting on subjects just reinforces their ideology of wanting to wipe out all the mutants as they view them as little more than fodder for science, whether they are humans, ghouls, or supermutants.

And what would be so bad about letting the Enclave rebels, as they are under Autumn, have and activate the purifier? No, it all comes down to a needless and avoidable firefight with a giant robot thrown in.
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What? Did you even play the game? It would be bad for the same reason letting them execute their plan in Fallout 2 would be bad! It would result in the deaths of millions of people that they view as worthless. They wanted the purifier so they could use it to kill every "mutant" in the area.
 
Yazman said:
What? Did you even play the game? It would be bad for the same reason letting them execute their plan in Fallout 2 would be bad! It would result in the deaths of millions of people that they view as worthless. They wanted the purifier so they could use it to kill every "mutant" in the area.
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Uh, have you? Autumn went against that plan. It's clearly explained to you before the whole Liberty Prime scene.
 
Yazman said:
What? Did you even play the game? It would be bad for the same reason letting them execute their plan in Fallout 2 would be bad! It would result in the deaths of millions of people that they view as worthless. They wanted the purifier so they could use it to kill every "mutant" in the area.
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Yes, I did, and Autumn's plan was NOT to use the FEV toxin.

Kinda shows how much attention you've paid to the game.
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
Yazman said:
What? Did you even play the game? It would be bad for the same reason letting them execute their plan in Fallout 2 would be bad! It would result in the deaths of millions of people that they view as worthless. They wanted the purifier so they could use it to kill every "mutant" in the area.
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Yes, I did, and Autumn's plan was NOT to use the FEV toxin.

Kinda shows how much attention you've paid to the game.
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That was the worst part of Fallout 3's history:

Eden: Hello, I'm the president, can you help me to commit genocide? I will pay well and you also get a nice dental.

Lone Wanderer: Where do I sign?

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Autumn: I don't want to murderise everyone, and my plans are actually reasonable and would turn the Capital Wasteland into something better than a warzone full of bloodthisty Super Mutants. Don't listen to the computer!

Lone Wanderer: DIE SCUM!
 
I kinda cheered up for Autumn, too. Ol' Colonel Foghorn Leghorn wans't a bad guy, although he did shot a woman in the face. But whatever, she, SOMEHOW, turned out to be alive. So that does not count on his "Dog-rape-o-meter." He reminded me of General Barnarky from Fallout Tactics - A harsh military man determined to change the world, even if he has to shred some blood to do it. Ok, a Enclave-dominated world is probrably kinda shite, but I'm sure its better than living in the Washington Warzone with poluted rivers.
 
Actually the person shot in the face isn't Anna Holt but a scientist called Kaplinski.
Easy to get the two mixed up though.
 
Slaughter Manslaught said:
I kinda cheered up for Autumn, too. Ol' Colonel Foghorn Leghorn wans't a bad guy, although he did shot a woman in the face. But whatever, she, SOMEHOW, turned out to be alive. So that does not count on his "Dog-rape-o-meter." He reminded me of General Barnarky from Fallout Tactics - A harsh military man determined to change the world, even if he has to shred some blood to do it. Ok, a Enclave-dominated world is probrably kinda shite, but I'm sure its better than living in the Washington Warzone with poluted rivers.
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I would walk out with the Autumn Enclave any day if the only alternative is this bigoted Bethesdian "Brotherhood" ...

has anyone checked yet if Autmn drops a evil-detecting finger after you kill him? If he has no one, then he can not be a bad guy.
 
Crni Vuk said:
Slaughter Manslaught said:
I kinda cheered up for Autumn, too. Ol' Colonel Foghorn Leghorn wans't a bad guy, although he did shot a woman in the face. But whatever, she, SOMEHOW, turned out to be alive. So that does not count on his "Dog-rape-o-meter." He reminded me of General Barnarky from Fallout Tactics - A harsh military man determined to change the world, even if he has to shred some blood to do it. Ok, a Enclave-dominated world is probrably kinda shite, but I'm sure its better than living in the Washington Warzone with poluted rivers.
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I would walk out with the Autumn Enclave any day if the only alternative is this bigoted Bethesdian "Brotherhood" ...

has anyone checked yet if Autmn drops a evil-detecting finger after you kill him? If he has no one, then he can not be a bad guy.
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I would go with Autumn's Enclave because its more competent than the CW BOS. The Capital Wasteland BOS is OH-SO-AWESUM that they don't even try to capture a Super Mutant and extract info outta him. I don't remember any mutant autopsy either. When the original Brotherhood found a dead Super Mutant in the badlands, the first thing they did was sending it to Vree for a autopsy so they could know what the heck was that thing. The CWBOS has the location of FOUR VAULTS and they don't even bother to search one of those. These guys are no doubt stupid.
 
^^^No man. Your supposed to ignore that shit. Just because you never saw it happen does not mean it did not happen. :roll:
 
Slaughter Manslaught said:
I would go with Autumn's Enclave because its more competent than the CW BOS. The Capital Wasteland BOS is OH-SO-AWESUM that they ...
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I would loved it if there would be a option to team up with Autumn, walk over to the place in the game were the last working ICMB is located, repair it and fire it up on the Citadel.
 
Slaughter Manslaught said:
Crni Vuk said:
Slaughter Manslaught said:
I kinda cheered up for Autumn, too. Ol' Colonel Foghorn Leghorn wans't a bad guy, although he did shot a woman in the face. But whatever, she, SOMEHOW, turned out to be alive. So that does not count on his "Dog-rape-o-meter." He reminded me of General Barnarky from Fallout Tactics - A harsh military man determined to change the world, even if he has to shred some blood to do it. Ok, a Enclave-dominated world is probrably kinda shite, but I'm sure its better than living in the Washington Warzone with poluted rivers.
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I would walk out with the Autumn Enclave any day if the only alternative is this bigoted Bethesdian "Brotherhood" ...

has anyone checked yet if Autmn drops a evil-detecting finger after you kill him? If he has no one, then he can not be a bad guy.
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I would go with Autumn's Enclave because its more competent than the CW BOS. The Capital Wasteland BOS is OH-SO-AWESUM that they don't even try to capture a Super Mutant and extract info outta him. I don't remember any mutant autopsy either. When the original Brotherhood found a dead Super Mutant in the badlands, the first thing they did was sending it to Vree for a autopsy so they could know what the heck was that thing. The CWBOS has the location of FOUR VAULTS and they don't even bother to search one of those. These guys are no doubt stupid.
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Yeah you're right about the CW BOS. I didn't like them at all, although to be fair they were almost a splinter faction in terms of how they were at odds with the BOS HQ. They didn't need to do an autospy because they had already encountered super mutants in the west.

You're right though, I didn't like the BOS in F3 much.
 
Want to know what clearly establishes Autumn as being a "bad" guy (remember, that is the arbitrary label of our day to begin with, not mine)? To show his contempt for a man he clearly reviles in an argument, he shoots a bystander in the face. Seriously, the only way he could be any cooler was if he decided to vent his frustration by pushing Mother Teresa down a mineshaft! Nobody that badass could ever be about benefiting his fellow man, and thus his "good guy" status was revoked without need of a fair trial. I say good for him.
 
Yazman said:
Yeah you're right about the CW BOS. I didn't like them at all, although to be fair they were almost a splinter faction in terms of how they were at odds with the BOS HQ. They didn't need to do an autospy because they had already encountered super mutants in the west.
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The CW super muties are a different strain and breed (granted it was an afterthought added in response to the fan backlash). This is also mentioned several times.
 
Romulus said:
Want to know what clearly establishes Autumn as being a "bad" guy (remember, that is the arbitrary label of our day to begin with, not mine)? To show his contempt for a man he clearly reviles in an argument, he shoots a bystander in the face. Seriously, the only way he could be any cooler was if he decided to vent his frustration by pushing Mother Teresa down a mineshaft! Nobody that badass could ever be about benefiting his fellow man, and thus his "good guy" status was revoked without need of a fair trial. I say good for him.
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Mother Teresa was a bitter old sadomaso who believed that the suffering of the poor was for their own good while she lived it up on her little PR spree. Push away.

Honestly, the whole of Fallout 3's story was two-dimensional.
 
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