Russia attacks Ukraine

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by DarkCorp, Feb 24, 2022.

  1. Morgan_

    Morgan_ Duckerz

    Jul 3, 2020
    Spooky idea came to mind. Considering how everyone (including NATO and the US) expected Russia to steamroll Ukraine and take Kyiv in 2 weeks or less at the start didn't happen and there is even talk now that Russia may lose Crimea or be cutoff from it. Could this make other countries more aggresive toward Russia? Either NATO or other third parties? If that happens what might an embattled Russia do?

    Edit:
    Even from within maybe. If I understand correctly there are sections of Siberia that have Mongol communities that don't feel like they are a part of Russia and the same issue with Islamic people in Degastan and Tartar regions? Maybe we'll see a lot of fighting in those regios as tensions are there currently (that I know of).
     
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  2. william dempsey

    william dempsey Veteran of the psychic wars. [REDACTED]

    Jan 23, 2022
    When the heavy armour had parked up in a long column it baffled British TV. They had expected or wanted Russia to steam in on some ' Blitzkrieg style' attack.
    It was obvious to me this was the threat and Russia wanted talks.
    Other excuses were made, saying the tanks had run out of fuel or the drivers had frostbite in their feet.

    In an attempt to provoke, Turkish drones hit the column and the TV generals tried to speculate even more.
    None mentioned the ' Mexican Standoff '

    If your theory is close to the truth I would expect a Baltic state (Lithuania) or Finland to push their luck
     
  3. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Russia was always kind of safe from everyone else - they even commented as much back-in-the-day when NATO started expanding despite promises not to - NATO isn't really a threat; cus reality is - yeah... if any outsider nation does anything concrete to Russia, that threatens the existence of the nation - then nukes will be unleashed, the whole shebang - so all of that is off the table.

    By aggressive, it would have to be some kind of subversion - so, same game they're playing. Even if Russia should - somehow - come to unleash nuclear attacks on NATO members out of... pettyness that they are falling apart from the inside, they would be retaliated upon. How would that make their situation any better?

    I'm curious though, because this was *clearly* not what Putin had in mind, his plans are something else, and he might already be too old to see them through. All of Russia cannot possibly share the same geopolitical obsession. Putin is probably hoping for a long, protracted endevour - which means even if they DO get streamrolled out of even Crimea, Russia might hyper-militarize, bide their time for the next decade, then try again.
     
  4. william dempsey

    william dempsey Veteran of the psychic wars. [REDACTED]

    Jan 23, 2022
    A similar initiative came from 4Vladimir Putin in November 2010, again in Berlin; and as late as January 2014, at a Russia-EU summit in Brussels, the Russian President advocated a free trade area from the Atlantic to the Pacific.


    These proposals for a new international system based on ‘Greater Europe’ have consistently fallen on deaf ears. They have run counter to the West’s own model of post-Cold War co-operation, one called ‘Wider Europe’ by Richard Sakwa, a leading specialist in the recent history of Russia and Eastern Europe. Wider Europe is, essentially, a Euro-Atlanticist venture, 6which seeks to build a new, post Cold War alliance system based on partnership between the EU, the USA and NATO. Rejecting the multi-polar Greater Europe, it involves international co-operation within the framework of a liberal-capitalist world economy with a global security order dominated by the USA in concert with its European allies.
     
  5. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    If you ask Russia, they didn't.
     
  6. Morgan_

    Morgan_ Duckerz

    Jul 3, 2020
  7. william dempsey

    william dempsey Veteran of the psychic wars. [REDACTED]

    Jan 23, 2022
    Wow. That tiny plane crashed and damaged the farmer's field.
     
  8. Morgan_

    Morgan_ Duckerz

    Jul 3, 2020
    Probably did more than that before getting downed. How are they going to pay for all these planes?
     
  9. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign ⛧卐⛧ Staff Member Moderator [REDACTED]

    Apr 1, 2005
  10. Alphons

    Alphons National Beholder

    Aug 9, 2017
    Last week Duma unanimously voted to lift the ban on conscription for military service to mobilize those who have an unexpunged or outstanding conviction for committing a serious crime.
    It has now passed through the Council, so it's just waiting for Putin's signature.

    There're some sentences which won't be elligible for service, like terrorism, hostage-taking, participating in paramilitary groups, aircraft or train hijacking, illegal possession of nuclear materials, treason, espionage, violent seizure of power, armed rebellion and criticizing the Army/ special operation, but everything else like murder, drug/ human trafficking, rape and robbery, extortion, assault are OK.

    Court will also be able to lift their sentences if the Army recommends them for their service.

    https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/546749-7
     
  11. Alphons

    Alphons National Beholder

    Aug 9, 2017
    Shoigu announced that they're withdrawing from Kherson across the Dnepr.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16283583
     
  12. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    He aged rapidly!
     
  13. Alphons

    Alphons National Beholder

    Aug 9, 2017
    Yevgeny Nuzhin worked in Russian Internal Affairs before he commited murder in 1999.

    Sentenced for 24 years (+ extra 4 for escape attempt). Signed up for Wagner, surrendered in September and was interviewed last month.



    Yesterday Wagner posted a video where they smash his head with a sledgehammer for betrayal.

    Prigozhin, owner of Wagner was asked for comment.

    Called Nuzhin a mongrel and said that he met a fair end. He admired the cinematography.

    Hopes no other animals will be hurt in further episodes.


    https://www.mk.ru/incident/2022/11/...l-video-kazni-kuvaldoy-boyca-chvk-vagner.html

     
  14. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Fucking lol, and he's trying to open up new recruitment centers!
    Hey! Join! Maybe get your head smashed in, and filmed - but think of the adventure and comradery!
     
  15. Morgan_

    Morgan_ Duckerz

    Jul 3, 2020
  16. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    It's 4D chess, trust the process.

    Btw - in b4 "LET'S GOOO NUCLEAR WAAAAR!" it takes a lot more than some missed missiles to *ignite something* - it takes more than direct hits even - hell, it takes more than large scale conventional warfare, for that matter.
    (not that I'm implying that's what you're implying, I'm just seeing SO much armageddon-thirst in this kind of reporting - "omg, any moment now, Sweden joins NATO Russia will launch every fucking nuke, omg hrrrr agh... mmmm <3")

    Sloppy though.

    (aaand they're already war-drumming on twitter, this is going to be fun -_-)
     
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  17. Morgan_

    Morgan_ Duckerz

    Jul 3, 2020
    Yeah everyone is making ww3 jokes and so on. I'm guessing it will result in blaming Ukraine or some kind of payment to Poland?
     
  18. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    What's even the purpose here - false flagging? Russia has a dedicated branch of the military to rocket targeting, so it's unlikely they're gonna miss by genuine oops - but I *do not* have any confidence in the Russian strategy, regardless of what it might be.
    Whole part of their world view is flawed, and a lot of their military blunders are direct reflections upon *their* regard for human psyche and behavior - such as sending their troops to war with *even less* equipment, as some sort of "tough love" move or whatever the fuck it is they're doing (imo a combination of dated strategies, personal sturbborness and simply callous corruption, as in - pocketing resources meant for the troops)
     
  19. Sn1p3r187

    Sn1p3r187 Carolinian Shaolin Monk

    Apr 7, 2014
    They really gonna kick up a WWIII for 2 dead people? Now if those missiles strikes were directed straight at Poland, whether the targets be tactical or strategic. Then i would say grab ahold of our asses and hang on for dear life
     
  20. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Already seems like it could in fact be a dumb-as-fuck attempt at a false flag, MY GOD - they already tried this in Transnistria, and it didn't work *with their own ally!* they think it's gonna work with Poland!?

    I mean - by now I should no longer be surprised at what appears to be *staggeringly* dumb strategies, but... you know... they really suck at this!