So, who's excited for The Frontier

Maybe this mod is awesome. But nothing I have seen so far really screams "Fallout" in to my face. in fact if anything this reminds me to the Metro games. But not in a good way.

No disrespect to the moders here and the hard work they put into it. I am sure they try their best.

But let us be honest here the combat in both Fallout 3 and New Vegas is shit. There is no sugar coating it and I am sure many people have "fun" with it and will tell me that I am retarded etc. But when you compare it to all the thousands of mediocre shooters out there the FPS combat in the recent Fallout games is really boring, unintuitive and honestly a million games out there did it better. Even if we look at the so called "RPG hybrids" of FPS games than Deus Ex did a better job here already 20 years ago.

So when I see a "mod" that puts so much focus in their trailers on shooting, guns and the action I can not say that I am even hyped in the slightest. You would have to really rework the whole game from the ground up to not make the combat suck in either F3 or New Vegas. I can also not say much about the story here since yeah it hasn't been released yet.

But as others already said, the setting and some of the actors/factions there really are very hard to explain. I mean I am sure you could come up with an explanation why the Enclave is fighting a war on Venus with the Brother Hood of Steel. but that doesn't mean it's actually good.

So yeah. That's that.
 
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Crni Vuk said:
Maybe this mod is awesome. But nothing I have seen so far really screams "Fallout" in to my face. in fact if anything this reminds me to the Metro games. But not in a good way.

No disrespect to the moders here and the hard work they put into it. I am sure they try their best.

But let us be honest here the combat in both Fallout 3 and New Vegas is shit. There is no sugar coating it and I am sure many people have "fun" with it and will tell me that I am retarded etc. But when you compare it to all the thousands of mediocre shooters out there the FPS combat in the recent Fallout games is really boring, unintuitive and honestly a million games out there did it better. Even if we look at the so called "RPG hybrids" of FPS games than Deus Ex did a better job here already 20 years ago.

So when I see a "mod" that puts so much focus in their trailers on shooting, guns and the action I can not say that I am even hyped in the slightest. You would have to really rework the whole game from the ground up to not make the combat suck in either F3 or New Vegas. I can also not say much about the story here since yeah it hasn't been released yet.

But as others already said, the setting and some of the actors/factions there really are very hard to explain. I mean I am sure you could come up with an explanation why the Enclave is fighting a war on Venus with the Brother Hood of Steel. but that doesn't mean it's actually good.

So yeah. That's that.
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The Enclave fighting the BoS in space is way more in line with the set dressing of Fallout than Caesar's Legion popping up in Oregon to fight the NCR. Both are tech powers and privy to the American Space industry.

I always found it odd Fallout took a hard, hard turn away from the Space Race and all that. For being a 'future of the 50s', there's a lot to be desired in that regard. Mankind would had had bases everywhere fighting the same wars. The Aliens of Mothership Zeta, perhaps, should had been attacking a BoS lunar or Old American Lunar base, not sniping us across thousands of years.
 
Is the writting bad here as well? Fallout New California had some pretty abysmal writing, specially the main character twist. Don't know what's with New Vegas fan mods, but bad writing seems to come with the package, which is ridiculous given the original game.
 
What I want to know is why did they make Portland, Oregon a frozen wasteland? If they wanted an environment like that they should’ve set it in northern Canada.
 
I spoke with one of the developers for The Frontier during the really early stages of development and from the docs that he allowed me to see, The Frontier was heavily inspired by the likes of Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2. Remember that this was during the really early development stage, like 7 years ago. A lot could have changed since then. So make of this what you will.
Norzan said:
Is the writting bad here as well? Fallout New California had some pretty abysmal writing, specially the main character twist. Don't know what's with New Vegas fan mods, but bad writing seems to come with the package, which is ridiculous given the original game.
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That twist pissed me so off so bad that the rage I felt was nearly on par with how I felt with the Mass Effect 3 endings. I can't believe that not only did the author think that was a good idea but tried to force his head canon onto others. I hate that. You don't do that in a RPG.
 
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RangerBoo said:
I spoke with one of the developers for The Frontier during the really early stages of development and from the docs that he allowed me to see, The Frontier was heavily inspired by the likes of Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2.
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Sounds like it's in good hands then. MW2 is exemplar for its fallout esque storytelling.
 
Atomic Postman said:
Sounds like it's in good hands then. MW2 is exemplar for its fallout esque storytelling.
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This is what I don't understand with many mod authors. A lot of them go with "The rule of Cool". You see so few mods that are lore friendly or add to the game in a lore friendly way. A lot of them also don't add a lot in terms of role playing. Guess because it takes too much time.
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Six: 'We got it, sir.'
General Oliver: 'Good, that's one less loose end.' *GUNSHOT*
Boone: 'NO!'
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Believe it or not there was a line of dialogue like that in the early draft. They may have changed it since then or I at least hope that they did.
 
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Believe it or not there was a line of dialogue like that in the early draft. They may have changed it since then or I at least hope that they did.
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Perfection. I can't wait.
 
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Perfection. I can't wait.
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Well in the early draft ending it was the NCR general and the NCR who were the bad guys and you needed to get help from the Legion in stopping them get some super weapon. In the rough draft there was only one ending. Seeing as they had like 7 years of development time and added new factions like the Crusaders of Steel, I really hope that there is multiple endings instead of "NCR general is disillusioned and whats to kill everyone to remake the NCR! We need to stop him!"
 
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You could pretty easily do some Colonel Kurtz/Big Boss shit with an NCR commander sent to explore a new frontier, disillusioned with the way NCR treats tribals and breaking off into some PTSD fueled militia away from civilisation.

You don't have to go literally call of duty with it
 
Did you notice any other funny bits in the script? Like romances, edgy stuff or whatever? I also remember some Anon on /v/ talking about how the Devs were really into Fallout 3 and didn't care for NV at all. Though I figure he was talking out of his ass.
 
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Did you notice any other funny bits in the script? Like romances, edgy stuff or whatever? I also remember some Anon on /v/ talking about how the Devs were really into Fallout 3 and didn't care for NV at all. Though I figure he was talking out of his ass.
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No. All I saw was the rough draft synopsis to the story. There was no mention of romance or edgy content from what I saw 6 or 7 years ago. A lot of what I saw from the rough draft showed that they were more inspired by Modern Warfare then Fallout 3. To be fair to the mod authors they could have changed a lot since then. What I saw was a rough draft after all. They added three main factions into the game with their own branching quest lines. That is one more then they originally had from the rough draft where there was no mention of the Brotherhood. I just hope that they don't make the same mistake as New California and shoehorn you into one ending.
 
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Atomic Postman said:
You could pretty easily do some Colonel Kurtz/Big Boss shit with an NCR commander sent to explore a new frontier, disillusioned with the way NCR treats tribals and breaking off into some PTSD fueled militia away from civilisation.

You don't have to go literally call of duty with it
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But how would the average joe-sick-pack-chad-player know that it's a real drama-lama story without the world being at stake?
 
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