Star Wars: Rogue One

While I enjoy Star Wars, I am not a "lore person", I only watched the movies and never checked the books, comics, etc.
Also it's been years since I last watched any Star Wars movies (besides the Force Awakens one) so I forget most stuff about them by now.
I have a question. Who are the Empire in war with? I don't remember much fighting in the movies except with rebels... The republic is defeated so who is the Empire at war with?

The Rebel Alliance claims to be the legitimate continuation of the Republic with Papatine's ascension being viewed as illegal on various legal technicalities.

Mon Mothma has the title of chancellor and her own cabinet plus a Parliament we see in Rogue One.
 
The Rebel Alliance claims to be the legitimate continuation of the Republic with Papatine's ascension being viewed as illegal on various legal technicalities.

Mon Mothma has the title of chancellor and her own cabinet plus a Parliament we see in Rogue One.
So does that means that the Empire is only at war with the Rebels?
 
They also fought minor battles in the expansion to the Inner and Outer Rim. And according to the now defunct EU, there was also a short of shadow empire that fought or prepared to fight in th unknown regions.
 
They also fought minor battles in the expansion to the Inner and Outer Rim. And according to the now defunct EU, there was also a short of shadow empire that fought or prepared to fight in th unknown regions.

If we're including the EU(s), there's also thousands of tiny wars always going on as it takes an act of God to get the Republic's military to act while the Empire's military always moves in small portions.

TIE fighter had a great series of levels where an Imperial Star Destroyer is sent to conquer two heavily populated worlds having a civil war.

As M. Bison would say, "For you, the day you met the Empire was the most important in your world's life. For me, it was Tuesday."
 
If we're including the EU(s), there's also thousands of tiny wars always going on as it takes an act of God to get the Republic's military to act while the Empire's military always moves in small portions.

TIE fighter had a great series of levels where an Imperial Star Destroyer is sent to conquer two heavily populated worlds having a civil war.

As M. Bison would say, "For you, the day you met the Empire was the most important in your world's life. For me, it was Tuesday."
Exactly. For me, TIE Fighter is still one of the greatest Star Wars games to date. Finally a proper representation of the Empire. Now that's a game that needs a proper graphical update and nothing more.
 
Exactly. For me, TIE Fighter is still one of the greatest Star Wars games to date. Finally a proper representation of the Empire. Now that's a game that needs a proper graphical update and nothing more.

Oh, it created my love of anti-heroes. My book, LUCIFER'S STAR, is basically TIE fighter's epilogue in my head.

"Wait, I was a bad guy?"
 
This shit is so poorly constructed. Most of what you say contradicts itself a few sentences later.
It's not a contradiction if you apply any thought or attempt at understanding my argument, rather then immediately dismissing it.
"The need to expand" expand for what exactly?
I explained this so many times. The Empire expands to gain new materials, slaves and strategic locations, you know like any other empire. Why is this so difficult to understand. If you still fail to understand this, go ask Hitler, Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great and Napoleon. I'm sure they know why they expanded their empire.
"To not be stagnant" stagnant in what sense?
Ask the Imperials, they're the ones who believe in their rubbish philosophy. It makes me mad how unrealistic Star Wars is. I mean, a society that believes in something stupid and obviously made to justify their never-ending conflicts? Can you believe that? But in all seriousness, I think that stagnancy to the Imperials is when a society has no real united goal or threat to overcome, and become self-complacent, happy to be stuck in their peace and prosperity.
"Staying in a single place makes you stagnant" yeah because we know the history of the world is stagnant and never changes.
The fuck is? Where have I said staying in a single place makes you stagnant? Also, you assume that for the Imperials stagnancy means NOOOO change at all which is not the case.
"They acquire resources to acquire more resources to be at war" "they supress rebellion and keep order" "they need to be at war" it's like they are bipolar or something.
Wow, another generalization. They acquire resources from the planet they control to feed their warmachine, allowing further expansion so that they can acquire more resources. It's a never ending loop that justifies insane military funding, research and brutality because they're doing necessary things for the 'greater good', so they can defeat the 'evil and disruptive rebels'. It also simply spreads the Emperor's power, something which any authoritarian ruler wants... like Hitler! Also, I fail to see how the last two even matter... yes they suppress rebellion and keep order. So? They don't really need to be at war, but than they wouldn't be an immense Empire would they? They'd also have to do something about ending the obscene military funding and actually aim at things like welfare and health... possibly even resulting in more democratic movements (we're at peace damn it, we don't need Imperial star ships everywhere, we can handle ourselves. There's no threat so we're safe! We don't need the Empire).
How do they even mantain war with multiple planets?
I don't know... an Empire that can draw on the resources of thousands of planets will have real trouble fighting 30 planets. Hell, the Imperial Handbook mentions that each sector of space is nominally independent, under the control of a Grand Moff who control their own mini-empires, under the rule of the Central Authority of course.
What is exactly gained from allowing the empire to "kind take over your planet but not really"?
I've said this so many fucking times, Jesus fucking Christ but stop being so dense. They gain resources and conscripts from the planets they take. It's really that simple.
Why would there be "pro empire warlords" if they also hate aliens?
You know that the Nazi's had Jews running the ghetto's and parts of concentration camps? They also had puppet Jew governments, even as they hated the Jews and made propaganda against them. It's happened before, so it's not unbelievable. It's based on pragmatism, also they're fine with aliens if they know their place. Less Nazi and more Confederate.
Aren't all planets they conquer Alien planets anyway?
Technically, but by Aliens they mean non-Humans.
What do they do? Breed a whole planet of people and force and entire world into other planets? If they don't like aliens then how are they even securing resources?
Do you actually think that liking people or groups makes a difference in securing a resource? Also, the whole 'Breed a planet'... where the fuck do you keep getting that.
Do they just plant factories and minig operations and expect the people to never do anything?
Yes, or they use existing factories and let the people to work in them.
Where do they get the people to sustain a state of perpetual war?
Oh I don't know... from the thousands of planets under their control? You keep contradicting yourself in that you say that they're planets, not cities and act as if city planets like Coruscant and the like can't give enough manpower to the Empire. They're massive planets, with populations in the trillions.
They no longer use the clones according to canon so that's out of the question too.
Nope, they recruit, they conscript, they use Alien slaves.
This is just incoherent beyond belief. At least CT Phipps admits IT IS dumb and it occurs in a galaxy that works more like a province and it's just unrealistic fantasy, you are just rambling.
And you aren't?
 
The Galactic Empire is a weird hybrid of the Roman Empire, Nixon's America (and now modern America), and Adolf Hitler's Germany.

They behave more colonialist (and Roman) than Nazi, though. They may commit gross horrific atrocities like Alderaan but they're generally fine with Aliens and Near-humans EXISTING. They just want them to be subservient to humans and they'll even let some nonhumans rise up if they're friends of people in power. Slavery exists but it's not all nonhumans everywhere but small groups which have no real friends in the galaxy or are enemies of the Empire (wookiees, mon calamari, and so on).

Ala, again, Rome. Maybe the British Empire too.

As for why they do all this bullshit, Palpatine is a Sith Lord and he draws power from his ego and control as well as the suffering he gains in the galaxy.

He eventually wants to become the God Emperor of Mankind ala 40K and rule over the universe forever. He hasn't quite found the secret of immortality yet, though, which is a shame as there were a number of Sith before him who did.

He came close in the old continuity, though.
 
Alright, I just watched Rogue One. I'll try to keep this spoiler free.
First off, the bad points. The music was... er, forgettable at most. Too grandiloquent at some moments, and no central melody. This is a problem.
Secondly, the first 20 minutes are a little too fast, but I understand why. The director probably fought hard to keep some more atmospheric scenes in the final cut, and they probably had to cut some in the intro to keep the movie in a standard length format.
And... that's pretty much it.

Overall, I loved it. It reminded me of the moment I first saw the Empire Strikes Back. There's an excellent sense of detail, that I feel was missing in the Force Awakens. The movie even fixes plot holes from the original movies, and that's good.
The character's reactions are realistic and believable. No spoilers, but for example, the rebels don't take Jyn's word as prophet's words just because she is one of the good guys. In JJ Abrams or Lucas' interpretations, she would be a special snowflake everybody listens to, but here... it's more believable. I liked that.
I also loved how Rogue One expands on the existing factions and bring depth to them. Internal dissidents in the rebellion, rogue chapters doing guerilla tactics, power fights in the high hierarchy of the Empire just to get the Emperor's attention... That's interesting. Sure, the rebellion is a lot grittier, but in the end, it's way more realistic that way. The ones on the field are ruthless killers who've been to hell several times before, the ones who will never find their place in a galaxy of peace now. They don't fight for their own future anymore, they fight because it's all they know. They are beyond saving, and yet, they are saviors. This new light on the rebellion actually enhances their heroism, in my mind.
The "force monks" as I call them are a welcome addition to the universe. We have seen pretty much EVERYTHING there is to see about the jedis and the siths, and it's nice to now have a look at all the other people and factions in touch with the force.
I was touched by how Rogue One brings the original heroes' accomplishments under a new light. How they are the one claiming all the glory, but in the end, the real heroes are the anonymous grunts who made all of this possible. I truly felt the heroism of the protagonists, way more than in the other Star Wars movies. This is really a movie about what it means to be a hero : give 'em hell, again and again, and never expect any kind of recognition, because you won't get any. Accomplishment through duty rather than through glory. A rare approach, especially in such blockbusters (since we're on a Fallout forum, this is exactly what bothered me with F4's Brotherhood of Steel. You don't deserve to be recognized as Knight or Paladin, because you are surrounded by actual war heroes who were born on the battlefield, lived on the battlefield, and will die on the battlefield while you were litteraly sleeping. If anything, Proctor Ingram is WAY more heroic and deserving of a medal than the sole survivor)

Darth Vader's last scene was shocking, brutal and badass. I like that we now have -this- in the Star Wars movies, because until now, we "knew" what made Vader feared by the Rebellion, but we never actually had the chance of seeing it. Now, we have seen him in action, and oh boy, that's terrifying indeed. Pure vision of horror.

As a EVE Online Player, the scene with the Hammerhead had a special ring to it ^^ and I'm glad that it brought that "something new" to the usual Star Wars space battle, and more importantly, something actually believable. The hammerhead strategy has been used many times in war, and the mentality of the crew inside is... well, actually as believable as terrifying. Their appearance, as short as it was, actually touched me as much as it deeply disturbed me.

The humor is not over the top, and that's a nice change. As much as I liked Rey and Finn's characters, Finn's jokes were cringy to me. None of that in Rogue One.

The movie is clearly not "light". You'll have fun and breathtaking views, but don't expect to come out with visions of a world made of boobs, Ewoks and chocolate. It's bringing the war back into Star Wars, the Chris back into Christmas.
 
I actually imagine the Rogue One group to be ridiculously well known and the origin for Rogue's Squadron name in the Rebellion. Remember the Last Stand of Admiral Raddus and others like them.

Then again, I do think this movie is inferior to TFA but still a very good movie. I found myself rooting for Rey, Finn, and Poe (even though Poe isn't a main character for some reason due to the stupid idea to kill him which was thankfully reversed) throughout the movie. Here, it's hard to get motivated to care about Cassian because he's a cold-blooded killer and I felt his choosing not to murder Galen Erso felt unearned.

It's like Suicide Squad where El Diablo is like, "I have a new family now!" When they're really just acquaintances. I wanted to see the Bond of Brothers/Sisters develop and that never happened.

I also felt the Death Star's weakness being engineered cheaped Luke's victory and basically undermined the Emperor's hubris.

Destroying Jedha also felt like a tremendous storytelling waste.
 
There are more tentacles 10/10

Honestly, my favourite thing about Star Wars is the setting, watching empire machinery makes me hard AF.
And that's why it's going to make my head pop if I see the Empire be foiled ONCE more becouse apparently LMGs, bazookas and heavy armor are Rebel-only, becouse they have the same tactical prowess of a kid smashing two blocks together, and becouse c'mon.
NOT shooting the protagonist and his apparently immortal buddy when they are three, two of them "elite" soldiers when they are in a FUCKING PILLAR was exclusive to Metal Gear and bad anime, and that's from the good guys.
 
I enjoyed rogue one more than I did TFA. there was a bit more of an attempt at grey morality which I didn't expect. And I like that the death star's weakness was
always intended. I didn't like the black guys dumbass "sacrifice" or the arbitrary inclusion of the force through the monk character but it's certainly superior to TFA as a star wars film.
 
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And what a great weakness ... not. If it was really intentional, then I question if the person who made it actually wanted the rebells to hit it.
 
Watched the movie two times. During the first time, some dude drove a truck through a christmas market in Berlin and killed 12 people. During the second time, Carrie Fisher died.
 
I watched this movie on Christmas day with my sister. I was not planning to go to it myself but my sister offered to take me to the movies.

The movie turned out to be better than I expected, I thought it would have been as average as the Force Awakens, but there were still some elements I thought were rather ridiculous such as the droid with the grenade and the blind man vs the Stormtroopers.
I found it also weird that the main female character was making a speech Mon Mothma should have been doing to re-inspire her fellow rebels.

And since when became the Force like a religion? I know the Jedi adhered to it but I never had the idea that it was really widespread.

The movie did feel a little slow sometimes such as the battle on Scariff that to my feeling sometimes took much longer than it might should have been.

I liked the new rebel transport ship but I think Krennic's shuttle was ugly. I much rather would have seen him use a regular Lambda class shuttle.

The whole "rebels stealing the Death Star plans" has always been somewhat of a mess as various writers of comics and RPG modules have done various takes on it, so in that regard it is nice that Rogue One clear that up, but I still prefer Dark Forces' take on it.

Edit: is it me or are The Force Awakens and Rogue One more heavier on the "symbolic talk"

Leia's talk at the end about hope

I can't recall the Original Trilogy doing that a lot.
 
Watched the movie two times. During the first time, some dude drove a truck through a christmas market in Berlin and killed 12 people. During the second time, Carrie Fisher died.
For fuck's sake stop watching the movie! Don't watch it ever again in the future either. :lmao:
Now every time something bad happens I will wonder if you're watching the movie :scratch:.
 
I enjoyed rogue one more than I did TFA. there was a bit more of an attempt at grey morality which I didn't expect. And I like that the death star's weakness was
always intended. I didn't like the black guys dumbass "sacrifice" or the arbitrary inclusion of the force through the monk character but it's certainly superior to TFA as a star wars film.

I disagree. TFA's character's had character. There's riffing amongst them during scenes which develops them over the course of the story. Finn and Poe have this sort of gay-bro relationship, Rey has some background development, Finn is a scared former-Storm Trooper, etc. It's an ANH copy-pasta storywise, but it still manages to get characterization right.

RO was basically Fan service the movie because they shoe-horned in a bunch of characters that simply didn't need to be there (Moff Tarkin). The tone of the movie was so off, though :???:. Saving Private Ryan meets Star Wars.

For fuck's sake stop watching the movie! Don't watch it ever again in the future either. :lmao:
Now every time something bad happens I will wonder if you're watching the movie :scratch:.

He probably watched it a third time then, cause Debbie Reynolds just died.
 
TFA's character's had character
Being the best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be isn't really a character, it's shit writing. also everybody loves them.....fuck you wookie I've known for 30 years I'm hugging the new bitch because I'm sad.

I saw Rouge One and I can safely say.....it was a movie. liked it more than boring piece of crap TFA. Some say it's a Fan Film. wouldn't know, not really a fan of star wars.
 
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